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Watch it....

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THEY ENDED AT CV QUESITON :D TROLLING LEVEL PRO... gotta give em that!!!!!!!!! XD


P.s next CB 8v8 with 2 BBs allowed.

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20 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

Watch it....

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THEY ENDED AT CV QUESITON :D TROLLING LEVEL PRO... gotta give em that!!!!!!!!! XD


P.s next CB 8v8 with 2 BBs allowed.

who cares about CVs ;)

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THEY ENDED AT "Hardcore players"...

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2 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

who cares about CVs ;)

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THEY ENDED AT "Hardcore players"...

 

Bleh, hardcore players?

What about the fact they ended the video at 12:24?

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16 minutes ago, domen3 said:

What about the fact they ended the video at 12:24?

outrageous, its weekend - game unplayable they should end at 2:30:24

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How did they come up with the term "Waterline"? Water line or waterline...

 

It is used world-wide since decades to describe ship-models of the scale 1/700. Hope this won´t cause any disturbance.

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The Water Line Series was created ... 1971. It is a collaborative effort by three manufacturers to produce an ongoing collection of 1/700-scale kits of warships of the world.[6] It started with four manufacturers (Tamiya, Aoshima, Hasegawa and Fujimi)

 

As the series name suggests, the models are produced only with the portion visible above the water, that enable them to be displayed as though they were at sea.

 

 

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Gotta say I'm more confused than I was previously... I mean cool stuff people but are we getting the CL split with 7.4 which will probably drop this thursday or the week after or are we not? The comments in this regard were a bit vague.

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Vor 3 Minuten, Delta_Leader sagte:

Gotta say I'm more confused than I was previously... I mean cool stuff people but are we getting the CL split with 7.4 which will probably drop this thursday or the week after or are we not? The comments in this regard were a bit vague.

No, the split will come later.

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45 minutes ago, drmajga said:

How did they come up with the term "Waterline"? Water line or waterline...

 

It is used world-wide since decades to describe ship-models of the scale 1/700. Hope this won´t cause any disturbance.

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Here some blabla from Wikipedia:

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The Water Line Series was created ... 1971. It is a collaborative effort by three manufacturers to produce an ongoing collection of 1/700-scale kits of warships of the world.[6] It started with four manufacturers (Tamiya, Aoshima, Hasegawa and Fujimi)

 

As the series name suggests, the models are produced only with the portion visible above the water, that enable them to be displayed as though they were at sea.

 

 

really cant see any problem its not called ""water line series", its just "waterline" and i dont saw word series.

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3 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

really cant see any problem

Indeed. On a second look... i may have overreacted :Smile_hiding:

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Guys, please. You're missing the real issue here.

What about the fact that he's named Sub_Octavian when there are no subs in the game?!

Such a tease. Simply outrageous! Utterly outrageous!!

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5 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THEY ENDED AT CV QUESITON :D TROLLING LEVEL PRO... gotta give em that!!!!!!!!! XD

LOL

 

"that's a good question phil"

 

You CV turds are barely worth speaking about. Good to know :Smile-_tongue: Now please uninstall and spend some time with your family.

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So there going to split Light and heavy cruisers @tier6 the... first heavy being the Pensicola?:Smile_amazed:

Looks like there will be a lot of tinkering going on then....

 

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4 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Guys, please. You're missing the real issue here.

What about the fact that he's named Sub_Octavian when there are no subs in the game?!

Such a tease. Simply outrageous! Utterly outrageous!!

maybe that sub is not naval reference :Smile_trollface:

 

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Kinda sad not to hear a thing about british carrier line, missing it big time.

Otherwise I kinda look forward to especially global MM :cap_like:

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10 hours ago, robihr said:

8v8 CB with 2 BB. it will be interesting...

 

I don't find it appealing. 

Part of the charm of Clan Wars is the single BB and relatively low odds of deletion while being able to manoeuvre and fight actively in cruisers. Make 25% of the team BB's and a lot of that goes away, I consider it to be a bad change even though there are many BB players who feel a bit cut off due to the current 1 BB limit.

As to CV's, the maps and teams are relatively small and T10 CV's have so many planes it would end up as the best CV wins far too many times.

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1 hour ago, BeauNidl3 said:

As to CV's, the maps and teams are relatively small and T10 CV's have so many planes it would end up as the best CV wins far too many times.

Actually, small (and well coordinated) teams would limit the impact of CVs. We're talking a t10 cruiser-heavy line-up that's almost guaranteed to encounter a CV here - imagine how people would end up building their ships. The sheer volume of AA carried by each and every team would probably make it really hard to actually capitalize on your superior skill, even for a carrier capable of completely outplaying the opponent had they met in Randoms.

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18 minutes ago, eliastion said:

Actually, small (and well coordinated) teams would limit the impact of CVs. We're talking a t10 cruiser-heavy line-up that's almost guaranteed to encounter a CV here - imagine how people would end up building their ships. The sheer volume of AA carried by each and every team would probably make it really hard to actually capitalize on your superior skill, even for a carrier capable of completely outplaying the opponent had they met in Randoms.

 

Every cruiser would have to AA build heavily, this makes them debatable in Randoms.

Additionally a CV will make DD's lives pretty much impossible. Radars have a range and duration both of which can be managed, but evading the sheer quantity of planes from a T10 CV and the planes spotting every torpedo fired makes for a miserable game, except for the CV of course...

 

Sorry, CV's are simply too influential for Clan Wars format.

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2 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

Every cruiser would have to AA build heavily, this makes them debatable in Randoms.

 

Well, to be fair a non AA build cruiser in a CV game in randoms is of rather debatable value as well.

Which is why the option to specialize into AA in itself is :etc_swear: stupid.

 

4 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

Additionally a CV will make DD's lives pretty much impossible.

 

Not really. What it would actually do is limit the amount of viable DDs you can pick. Any non-DFAA DD would be of questionable value. That said a Grozovoi or Gearing would work perfectly fine. The former just wipes out entire strikes by herself in randoms already, the latter will do the same in the context of competitive play (remember that people will be playing 4/2/2 Haku, you'll only need to kill 2 TB squads if one commits to an attack).

On the flipside it may make Minotaur a viable pick as she can prevent spotting for both herself and her teammates.

Also CVs will actually fight for spotting and air control for a long time unlike in randoms, that one can simply scout freely is rather doubtful. By the time one secures air superiority the game will most likely already be decided.

 

Though really, it's pretty much impossible to balance for both randoms and CBs at the same time, it's inevitable that some ships fall to the wayside as is already the case.

Which is another reason I'm rather skeptical of the CV rework to say the least. If WG makes them a pure alpha strike class, as they're most likely intending to, they'll be an even worse fit for CBs.

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I agree re the specialist AA build being daft to be without in a CV game (only about 25% of my T10 games have CV, possibly 10%, I've no statistics to hand) I also agree that cruisers shouldn't have to bet on CV or no when they're supposed to be generalist AA and DD tools so Def AA and Hydro should be in an extra slot to carry both, that or do away with Def AA completely.

 

Yes I've chewed up a few planes in my Grozovoi and Gearing and I do carry Def AA on both, I'm not sure I've ever obliterated a whole strike though, blunted it certainly.

 

The thing with having loads of planes around, even if they're fighting for air supremacy is they still passively spot the ships and torpedoes.

 

While I really do understand the desire of CV players to use them in Clan Wars I still see them badly spoiling the format and I'm still very concerned about the 2 BB situation which is likely to make it far more of a campfest.

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6 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

Yes I've chewed up a few planes in my Grozovoi and Gearing and I do carry Def AA on both, I'm not sure I've ever obliterated a whole strike though, blunted it certainly.

Well, remember that you're talking Grozovoi and Gearing built for Randoms, NOT for CW-with-CV.

If I were to take my Grozovoi into CW featuring CVs - or even Randoms if most matches had carriers (or, of course, if I was often divving up with a carrier) - the build would be different. Can you imagine Grozovoi with FULL AA build? With a captain like this? http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1100000000000001000010000000110119

This build wouldn't make sense for Randoms and I'm sure that's not how you build your Grozo, but if a CV on enemy team was a certainty (and the chance of him going after DDs high), that would be a different matter...

And if "normal" Grozovoi can blunt a strike and/or quickly dispatch spotting squadrons - imagine what this one would be capable of.

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2 hours ago, BeauNidl3 said:

The thing with having loads of planes around, even if they're fighting for air supremacy is they still passively spot the ships and torpedoes.

 

With a total of eight fighters tangling it up and potential long range AA support that's gonna be rather situational. Keeping stuff spotted isn't nearly as easy when the enemy team actually knows what they're doing. CB CV play would most likely be incredibly passive, with no strikes at all flown and spotting coming in short "bursts" when a CV decides to sacrifice planes which aren't going to last particularly long considering the potency of high tier AA.

 

2 hours ago, BeauNidl3 said:

While I really do understand the desire of CV players to use them in Clan Wars I still see them badly spoiling the format

 

Oh, I agree. Imo any format below 9v9 is incapable of sustaining the presence of CVs in their current form as the number of players is simply too low. Can't be helped, it's the way they're designed.

However CVs would work in CBs if you were to allow enough players to participate. One only needs to look at competitive to see a working example. I've never seen a competitive match in which the CV player was the biggest deciding factor, but neither can it be denied that the spotting role that CVs occupy is tremendously important. Which makes them perfectly fine for such an environment.

Really, the only thing standing in the way of such a change is the scarcity of skilled, high tier CV players. Which is a perfectly legitimate reason btw.

 

I'm not advocating for such a change, personally I couldn't care less as I'm not particularly interested in playing CBs in general, but it would be a viable way to introduce CVs into CBs in their current state.

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7 hours ago, BeauNidl3 said:

 

I don't find it appealing. 

Part of the charm of Clan Wars is the single BB and relatively low odds of deletion while being able to manoeuvre and fight actively in cruisers. Make 25% of the team BB's and a lot of that goes away, I consider it to be a bad change even though there are many BB players who feel a bit cut off due to the current 1 BB limit.

As to CV's, the maps and teams are relatively small and T10 CV's have so many planes it would end up as the best CV wins far too many times.

i didnt say it would be good, i said it would be interesting. it certainly provides a lot more tactical depth to CB.

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