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this over penetration meta is so annoying i mean if a cruiser is dumb enough to show u full broadside he needs to be punished, instead u hit and get those creepy over pens it is happening with US bb's especially, some times if u shoot on perfect broadsides u just get some OP instead of citadel damage or regular pens. for example Baltimore is one of the  paper Armour ship in the game i shot him with Montana with all 12 guns 8 hits and all over pens just 7k damage and he got away.these OP mechanics needs to  be recheck .

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Had you used HE, you would probably have wasted him. Two ammo choices are there for differant reasons and differant damage giving.

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14 minutes ago, Waqas_Bajwa_destroyer said:

this over penetration meta is so annoying i mean if a cruiser is dumb enough to show u full broadside he needs to be punished, instead u hit and get those creepy over pens it is happening with US bb's especially, some times if u shoot on perfect broadsides u just get some OP instead of citadel damage or regular pens. for example Baltimore is one of the  paper Armour ship in the game i shot him with Montana with all 12 guns 8 hits and all over pens just 7k damage and he got away.these OP mechanics needs to  be recheck .

You were really close (sub 6km) or the shells hit too high.

US BB have really slow shells that are pefect to take out Cruisers.

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At least they hit... which is RNG working partially in your favour... :)

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2 hours ago, Waqas_Bajwa_destroyer said:

this over penetration meta is so annoying i mean if a cruiser is dumb enough to show u full broadside he needs to be punished, instead u hit and get those creepy over pens it is happening with US bb's especially, some times if u shoot on perfect broadsides u just get some OP instead of citadel damage or regular pens. for example Baltimore is one of the  paper Armour ship in the game i shot him with Montana with all 12 guns 8 hits and all over pens just 7k damage and he got away.these OP mechanics needs to  be recheck .

Simple math. Unless your shells went through his main belt your flat hit didn't pass through enough armour to arm the AP fuzes, hence those shells harmlessly pass through. Working exactly as intended.

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i know how this over pens stuff works but there is something wrong with it. doesn't matter where are u shooting.i played almost 11k battles in this game but in last few months over pens are just killing every bb player.

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It used to annoy me greatly in quite a few games too. Until I discovered that there are some situations and ships, in which HE works much better. There's nothing that actually prevents switching shell type from time-to-tome depending on target. :Smile_Default:

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29 minutes ago, Waqas_Bajwa_destroyer said:

i know how this over pens stuff works but there is something wrong with it. doesn't matter where are u shooting.i played almost 11k battles in this game but in last few months over pens are just killing every bb player.

My BB work fine. 

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Same here. Opened a topic about it even. No aim or angle seems to produce better results. Average is 87% overpens. It has come to the point where cruisers rush BBs fully broadside.

 

Not touching the Iowa again.

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How do you rush broadside?

I am not aware that our cruisers can do this:

 

 

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7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

How do you rush broadside?

 

 

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8 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Had you used HE, you would probably have wasted him. Two ammo choices are there for differant reasons and differant damage giving.

This....HE all the way for destroyers. AP is currently ineffective against them period.

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6 minutes ago, SeaWolf7 said:

This....HE all the way for destroyers. AP is currently ineffective against them period.

All well and good, but I am grinding the RN CL line, no HE :Smile_facepalm:, but at least we get short fuses for our AP :cap_rambo:

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1 minute ago, Cyclops_ said:

All well and good, but I am grinding the RN CL line, no HE :Smile_facepalm:, but at least we get short fuses for our AP :cap_rambo:

Ha Ha I was going to put unless your playing RN Line....I too have ground this line till Neptune so far, My conclusion is that we are at a bit of a disadvantage in the current meta...they are Just TOO situational. 

Fiji is as good as it gets IMO teir for tier.

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3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

How do you rush broadside?

I am not aware that our cruisers can do this:

 

 

You come out of cover fully broadside. Not kitting or sailing ahead. Just coming out of cover. Some don't even bother shooting the BB, just torping because they know it will all overpen through them like they are DDs.

 

None of this happened to me up to T7. From T8 onwards it became the overpen fest.

 

I just gave up trying.

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1 hour ago, SeaWolf7 said:

Ha Ha I was going to put unless your playing RN Line....I too have ground this line till Neptune so far, My conclusion is that we are at a bit of a disadvantage in the current meta...they are Just TOO situational. 

Fiji is as good as it gets IMO teir for tier.

I am actually really enjoying grinding the RN CL line, yes very situational as you say, but as long as you make the situation you do well.

 

Currently  doing well on Leander & Fiji 58-59% win rate, just need to get better on 5he Edinburgh & Neptune 46-49% WR.

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7 hours ago, Waqas_Bajwa_destroyer said:

i know how this over pens stuff works but there is something wrong with it. doesn't matter where are u shooting.i played almost 11k battles in this game but in last few months over pens are just killing every bb player.

From close range you must aim lower. (I assume you shot from close range) If you played 11k battles in this game you should know this. Or wait until its angled. You are not gonna get overpens but pens or citadels.

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15 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Had you used HE, you would probably have wasted him. Two ammo choices are there for differant reasons and differant damage giving.

HE with montana? People like you are part of the problem, no offense.

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14 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

How do you rush broadside?

I am not aware that our cruisers can do this:

There is one ship, which could conceivably accomplish that. THE AWESOME - EVER GLORIOUS POPOFFKA!!! :cap_haloween:

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Sadly, not YET in game tho... :cap_hmm:

 

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6 hours ago, P2Win said:

HE with montana? People like you are part of the problem, no offense.

Part of the problem, don’t think so, if you know you will over pen a CA/CL/DD with AP  when in a BB, the obvious  choice is to use HE, common sense really, no offence.

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8 hours ago, P2Win said:

HE with montana? People like you are part of the problem, no offense.

Nope, people like you who dont know anything and lecture others are problem.

 

HE in montana is situational and not bad

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AP on broadsides from my Iowa only arms if I am at least 15Km away. Friendlies complaint I am too far back. I push forward and switch to HE, only get module hits with zero damage. FML

 

Today was a new one. Full penetrations for zero damage. Somehow when I removed the 3 million credits aim upgrade the shells continued to group the same way, so I can only conclude AP is useless at its tier. Waterline, bowline, mid ship, under B turret, it doesn't matter. No AP salvo is reliable. Nevermind dispersion. Even the ones that hit overpen or do zero damage. After 10 straight losses I switched to other tier BBs. Immediately I noticed a difference. Reliable penetration damage. Good aim being rewarded and so on.

 

I guess T8/T10 is not for me. I get no enjoyment and I cannot make it work.

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Wonder how I managed to oneshot broadside cruisers in Iowa, Missouri and NC....:cap_yes:

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I read all kind of BS everyday, but saying Montana AP isn't effective against broadside cruiser is a new one. Wow. Guess all those devastating strike were a pure product of my imagination.

Sometimes, yes, AP trolls you. Most often though, and especially at close range, I do a minimum of 20k damage.

 

59 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said:

AP on broadsides from my Iowa only arms if I am at least 15Km away.

BS.

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5 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Part of the problem, don’t think so, if you know you will over pen a CA/CL/DD with AP  when in a BB, the obvious  choice is to use HE, common sense really, no offence.

No just no! Against cas and cls there is absolutely no need to use HE with montana. Unless wg changes BB AP on DDs, you also dont need to use HE. Montana HE is not bad. Against angled BBs, its really good. But against CAs, CLs and DDs its just stupid to use HE.

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