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characteristics of British Carriers:

+ Armored decks make British Carriers much more resilient to enemy fire

+ Good mix of Fighters, Dive and Torpedo Bombers.

+ Fighter Squadrons come with large amounts of Aircraft.

+ Unique consumable: Scramble, massively speeds up Aircraft servicing time while active. 

- Often lower-tiered Aircraft are fielded (especially on the lower tier Carriers)

 

HMS Argus, Tier 4:

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HP: 34,000 

Armor: ---

Aircraft Reserves: 18 

Air Wing:

1 x 6 Sopwith Camel Fighter (Tier III)

1 x 6 Airco DH.9A Torpedo Bomber (Tier III)

 

HMS Glorious, Tier 5:

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HP: 39,000

Armor: 51-76mm Belt .75in-1in Deck 2-3in Bulkheads

Aircraft Reserves: 48 

Air Wing:

2 x 6  Fairey Flycatcher Fighter (Tier IV)

1 x 6 Blackburn Dart Torpedo Bomber (Tier IV) / 1 x 6 Blackburn Ripon Torpedo Bomber (Tier V)

 

HMS Eagle, Tier 6:

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HP: 39,500

Armor: 4.5in Belt, Deck 1in-1.5in, Bulkheads 4in

Aircraft Reserves: 30

Air Wing:

1 x 6 Bristol F2B Fighter (Tier V)

1 x 6 Sopwith Cuckoo Torpedo Bomber (Tier V)

1 x 6 Airco DH.9A Torpedo Bomber (Tier III)

 

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I like the look of that tree, though one or two changes could be made. Perhaps Ark Royal should be a premium TVII, as she has a good history and is a very unique ship. In her place could be another one of the Illustrious class, or perhaps reshuffle the tree and get HMS Unicorn in? (I think Unicorn was a depot ship, but was built like an armoured carrier.) Then there could be one of the Audacious class included (not Ark Royal, that would be confusing having two ships with the same name. As for top tier, is Majestic a Malta class carrier? I think the Malta class should be top tier, even though it was just a planned ship that never got built: armoured flight deck, good AA, larger hangar etc.

 

On to planes. The Royal Navy weren't that fond of Dive bombers, they preferred torpedo aircraft to attack ships. Maybe their air wings should reflect this. There is still room for them, but torpedo aircraft should be the main offensive tool. The Blackburn Skua and Fairey Barracuda are low-mid tier aircraft, so could be on the Glorious, Ark Royal etc. Their torpedo aircraft will need a good chunk of HP, as the RN never carried many aircraft in the first place, then consider that the Swordfish, Albacore and Barracuda are the RN's three WWII-era torpedo aircraft (slow, vulnerable when near fighters). Also, the point on fighters is interesting. It is true that the Royal Navy had a large proportion of fighters in their air wing (due to escorting in the Med mainly), so having stronger fighter squadrons is good. But you can't keep taking losses like a US carrier that has massive reserves of aircraft.

 

Finally, what about the defensive armament of Royal Navy carriers? The Admiralty (at first) thought that aircraft would be the sole offensive weapon, so gave fleet carriers strong secondary batteries to bombard shore targets, and also to give themselves a good AA defence. Maybe the secondaries on Royal Navy carriers should be very strong, hell even player controlled. Think about it: You only have a small air wing, so in a long game you completely run out. Now instead of being an XP pinata for DD's, you can use the formidable battery of DP guns to lay into any enemy ships that get within 10-13km. Or in the PvE modes, it could be useful for the carrier to get closer and help defend the objective. Besides, this is true to history: HMS Formidable fired a salvo at the Italian fleet at Cape Matapan.

 

The secondary batteries of HMS Ark Royal, Illustrious and Indefatigable is 16 4.5" guns in 8 twin mounts on the 4 corners of the flight deck. On Illustrious and Ark Royal, the guns could fire over the flight deck if need be. The secondaries are the same as those on HMS Queen Elizabeth by the way. Expect an AA rating on the long range aura of roughly 130-150 I think. RIP incoming strikes...

 

The other carriers have a more modest defensive armament, but like with most trees the national flavour usually comes out at about T6/7.

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I think you have Eagle and Glorious the wrong way around, Eagle has the smaller air group and is slower so better suited to lower tier.

 

The rest I like. I do actually hope the high tiers turn out like that. HOWEVER, I'm not sure the Illustrious and Indomitable air group sizes can support them being T8 and T9, although it depends on how else WG balances them and which exact air group numbers they use. I would think it more likely and realistic if we had:

 

T7: Illustrious; prem: Ark Royal

T8: Indomitable

T9: Audacious (post-war Eagle)

T10: Malta (pick another name if you like)

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On 05/04/2018 at 8:54 PM, VC381 said:

T7: Illustrious; prem: Ark Royal

T8: Indomitable

T9: Audacious (post-war Eagle)

T10: Malta (pick another name if you like)

This looks good. Indefatigable could still be in the tree at T8, though Indomitable may be a good choice due to her service history in the Mediterranean. I think I saw a thread somewhere on the forums that suggested a RN carrier split line: one line for escort and light carriers like the Attacker class, Colossus class etc. and the other line being the armoured carriers like Illustrious, Audacious, Implacable, Malta etc. Not sure we need so many carriers in game, but an interesting idea. Perhaps an escort carrier could be used lower down in the tree, like USS Bogue in the US CV line.

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Sorry, I got my classes mixed up, I meant to say Indefatigable for T8! :fish_book:

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This would be my personal preferred list:

On 4-1-2018 at 5:00 PM, NothingButTheRain said:

I'd say save the Glorious and Furious for possible later ships and use only the Courageous as a cv (if at all). These would make very unique ships in their original battlecruiser form.

If I were to make a list, I'd probably be something like this:

 

4: Argus

5: Hermes

6: Colossus (I think this is just a very good looking ship and should be included. It also fits the light fleet carrier pretty good and the name is good).

7: Victorious (mostly because of the very cool name. It's a sister ship of Illustrious)

8: Implacable

9: Audacious

10: Malta

 

Possible premiums could include the Ark Royal (which is a dead giveaway), Majestic, Centaur, Unicorn (maybe at tier 6 even).

But overall, good list :Smile_great:

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Just a couple of quick notes that are worth a mention as they often pop up when discussing RN CV's, the aircraft capacity numbers are *often* solely the amount that can be hangared, the admiralty didn't include deck parking in the figures, this meant that lot of people think that certain CV's only carried 30/40 aircraft when numbers in user were typically closer to 60/70. Class depending of course. In some cases closer to 80. It's just something that has settled into mindsets.

 

HMS Illustrious for instance is often stated as having a capacity of 36 but carried 58 on some missions. The next class the Implacable is usually listed in the 80's which is hanger+deck. It's a bit messy with RN CV numbers so be careful.

 

 

The RN also liked rockets as a weapon, with the strike aircraft carrying a dozen or more SAP 3'' or 5'' rockets, a salvo was likened to having the same power as a cruiser broadside so I wonder if we will see them instead. Even the magnificent Sea Fury fighter could carry 12x3'' RP3's.

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35 minutes ago, The_White_Whale said:

The RN also liked rockets as a weapon, with the strike aircraft carrying a dozen or more SAP 3'' or 5'' rockets, a salvo was likened to having the same power as a cruiser broadside so I wonder if we will see them instead. Even the magnificent Sea Fury fighter could carry 12x3'' RP3's.

This could be a unique mechanic that suppresses AA crews and does minor damage to warships. The RP3 SAP warhead had 60lbs of RDX/TNT if I remember right, so that could translate to a lot of damage if used correctly. HVARs were a bit weaker, but could still do okay. Maybe the flak suppression could be used to overcome the RN tree's lower tier aircraft in higher tier games: simply strafe a ship to reduce the effectiveness of its AA, then bring in the Swordfish or Albacores for a torpedo strike.

 

Also, on the Sea Fury's 12 RP3's: the Firefly trumps that with 16 RP3's, a frankly frightening load if you were a DD on the receiving end!

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53 minutes ago, The_White_Whale said:

HMS Illustrious for instance is often stated as having a capacity of 36 but carried 58 on some missions. The next class the Implacable is usually listed in the 80's which is hanger+deck. It's a bit messy with RN CV numbers so be careful.

As a minor counter-counter point, some of those figures (especially that 80) was with a lot of Seafires that are tiny planes and very few big strike aircraft. And with the lower hangar overcrowded with emergency accommodation for all the extra crew. So some of the max numbers aren't realistic. As you say, be careful.

 

As for special mechanics, the thing I would most like to see is a nod to multi-role aircraft. Best way to implement in my opinion would be to have something e.g. the Firefly as a low damage DB that turns into a mediocre fighter after dropping the bombs. Or a TB transition to a fighter for e.g. the Firebrand. Or a shared reserve for DB and TB with e.g. the Barracuda, where you can choose what you launch it as.

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45 minutes ago, captainronrico said:

are any of these drawing board ships or were they all built?

The Malta class were supposed to be bigger CV's for the RN, but cancelled due to cost. All the others in @Seefelder's CV split tree actually existed, save for the Hakuryu and the G18 light aircraft carrier. The RN CV tree would be fairly historical, the only breaks from history being stuff like AA armament and maybe hangar capacity for balance.

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As a conversation piece, I'm going to add this recently discussed picture here. RN carrier ship icons, datamined from the client. These are discussed on reddit.

 

From top left, we seem to be looking at:

  • Furious
  • Audacious
  • Implacable
  • Indomitable (presumed premium since the icon shows a camo)
  • Hermes

Personally I can't wait for these, although obviously they're going to be after the rework. The rework should make their balancing a lot easier, since their smaller air groups are no longer a factor.

 

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Nice find! I guess that means they are getting close, though two RN line back to back? They should probably split it up with the Italian tech tree, to broaden the types of ships played in matches. Also, as you've listed Audacious and not Ark Royal, it might be that there will be the earlier Ark Royal (1930s) as a premium, at some point at least. Anyway, can't wait to see what the 3D models of the Fleet Air Arm aircraft will look like.

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1 hour ago, jss78 said:

although obviously they're going to be after the rework

Most likely RN CVs will be part of a bigger CV arc containing:

-CV rework

-RN CVs

-Time limited CV focused campaign

 

Just look at all the other line releases this year.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Centurion_1711 said:

Nice find! I guess that means they are getting close, though two RN line back to back? They should probably split it up with the Italian tech tree, to broaden the types of ships played in matches. Also, as you've listed Audacious and not Ark Royal, it might be that there will be the earlier Ark Royal (1930s) as a premium, at some point at least. Anyway, can't wait to see what the 3D models of the Fleet Air Arm aircraft will look like.

I'm not sure how close they necessarily are ... virtually certain they'll come after the rework, no sense doing the work to balance them for the current CV implementation.

 

We only have those pictures for 5 ships, including one premium. Presumably this still leaves 3 tech tree ships.

 

36 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Most likely RN CVs will be part of a bigger CV arc containing:

-CV rework

-RN CVs

-Time limited CV focused campaign

 

Just look at all the other line releases this year.

Agreed.

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Good post, OP.

 I'm all for a RN CV tech tree line asap

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