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  1. 1. Shelve the Asashio. She is just Broken as she is.

  2. 2. I'm an Experienced DD player with over 1000 games in DD and DDs of higher tiers( tier 8+). and said Yes to shelving this ship. Interested to see how many DD players dont like this ship

    • Yes i have high tier DDs and have played 1000+ games in DDs(of any tier), I have played multiple DD tech lines to tier 8+ and believe this DD should be shelved.
    • Yes i have high tier DDs and have played 1000+ games in DDs(of any tier), I have played multiple DD tech lines to tier 8+ and believe this DD should be released as she is.
    • I am not and an experienced DD player

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The Asashio..

 

AS a DD player with almost 4500 DD matches in Random and 70 different in game (past and present) DD's played.

 

I just fail to see how this Ship will add to the game.

 

We get a Ship that is mediocre to useless against over half the ships she will meet in a match.

She can CAP(but not contest CAP)  and attack BB/CV anything ells? Well she is useless. 

DD players have the hardest job in the game (in my opinion) we Cap we scout and we attack enemy ships. 

Pan Asian DDs have deep water stealthy torpedoes and good guns to fight DD. enemy DDs have a big advantage of Torpedoes in any Knife fight they have against a Pan Asian DD. 

 

What will the Asashio bring to game..

We will get a destroyer that can do nothing against a CA/CL and and such Cruiser or any DD will just push you and kill you. She will struggle against any DD she meets as  IJN DDs  will have Torpedoes and all other DDs will have better guns and/or torpedoes. You are OP as hell against BB with her Uber stealthy torpedoes. So this will encourage BBs to hang back more and not support there team mates properly. Many Asashio players will just hang way back spamming torpedoes and not scout and cap.. (the same problem we had with the Shimakazee back in the day). The reason they will give "I'm too Vulnerable against DD/CA/CL).

 

My opinion

Asashio will just frustrate the team its in as the ship will not Scout/Cap.. Just hang back spamming torpedoes. Frustrating there team more as they will get Torpedo Alarms from behind them even if there are safe (CA/CL/DD looking at you).

They will Frustrate the enemy team as the BBBabies will use the Asashio as a reason to camp at back.

Having torpedo boost on a DD with 2 sets of launchers is just  wrong. But having said boost on a DD with 2 sets AND Smoke, OMG wargaming what are you thinking

 

My Conclution

Serious DD players will probably not buy her as her role is too limited.

BBBabies will buy her as they will think she is OP and be useless too there team as they do not know how to play a DD let alone one with such limited roles. Will have a few good successes and thing they are DD gods

Asashio will predominantly played by bad DD players or a few good DD players that want to troll. These players I think will lose interest fast, as when there are no BB's Left they become almost useless

 

 

Lets see if  we can influence wargaming here. 

 

If you have account on any other Regions Server please feel free to copy this thread there.

 

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I will buy her for the lolz, sry. :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Edit:

20km torps + reload booster means you can launch them from the start at unusual positions. 

Could be interesting even without Deepwater. 

 

If they don't bring the ship this way, I hope they just give it normal torps instead. 

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Honestly, I'm torn.

 

On one hand I don't see how this thing adds anything valuable to high tier gameplay, on the other hand I tend to agree with what Fara said about the GZ: Use and abuse it until WG does something about it.

 

And yes, if I buy her, than purely for selfish reasons.

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Is playing 1000 games a real kind of mesurement mark? Anybody who grinded a DD to t10 should bave enogh games in the 8-10 bracket to understand high tir DD gameplay. Its a bit insulting that your choise of poll options indicates that someone has no experience in high tir DDs if he has no 1000 games in high tir DDs.....

 

I agree that Asashio is a not teamoriented ship but so was the Shima after Torp nerfs (thanksfully that will hopefully change soon if the stealth changes go life).So is a Tashkent or Khaba.

Asashio is a niche playstyle. She can cap thanks to her stealth but she is wholly dependen on its team to deal with certain threats. But with "im spoted click radar dead dd US CL inc soon"  and mapchanges that

make it next to imposible to cap in an DD Asashio is a minor side note.

 

Just another ship with a very limited ability set to differ itself from the rest. Whats pisses me off more about her is that they removed TLR and smoke from shira but a prem suddenly can have that combo......

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2 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

Honestly, I'm torn.

 

On one hand I don't see how this thing adds anything valuable to high tier gameplay, on the other hand I tend to agree with what Fara said about the GZ: Use and abuse it until WG does something about it.

 

And yes, if I buy her, than purely for selfish reasons.

Torn too in the hands of seasoned veterans she is just pure evil and has no real opposition in the hands of inexperienced newer players she is a liability at best. It is giving some people a tool to break camping but recent experience speaks loudly to it will just torp from the 3rd line into whatever is in her way and most likely result in more static games 

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40 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

I will buy her for the lolz, sry. :Smile_teethhappy:

Yep you will fit in to the 

"Asashio will predominantly played by bad DD players or a few good DD players that want to troll. These players I think will lose interest fast, as when there are no BB's Left they become almost useless....."

 

Nothing wrong with that... But..

 

35 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Is playing 1000 games a real kind of mesurement mark? Anybody who grinded a DD to t10 should bave enogh games in the 8-10 bracket to understand high tir DD gameplay.

 

I agree that Asashio is a not teamoriented ship but so was the Shima after Torp nerfs (thanksfully that fill hopefully change soon if the stealth changes go life).So is a Tashkent or Khaba.

Asashio is a niche playstyle. She can cap thanks to her stealth but she is wholly dependen on its team to deal with certain threats. But with "im spoted click radar dead dd US CL inc soon"  and mapchanges that

make it next to imposible to cap in an DD Asashio is a minor side note.

 

Just another ship with a very limited ability set to differ itself from the rest. Whats pisses me off more about her is that they removed TLR and smoke from shira but a prem suddenly can have that combo......

I had to pick a number.. To be honist im counting Experienced as players that have played more than one DD tech line. ( i have edited the poll to reflect this)

Picked a 1000 as its a clear round number.. Any number i  below would be still to many for some and not enough for others

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I voiced my opinion on the Asashio already often enough in other threads. There are so many threads out there about this ship. Most people think it is brokenly OP or utter garbage. I still don't see any changes coming that don't make this ship an overspecialised one-trick pony. I kind of gave up.

 

I would've bought it would it be a normal ship. I could buy it even now, given I wouldn't miss the money much, but the ship's concept disgusts me enough that I won't.

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Unless WG said something different, the whole raison d'être for the Asashio was/is that her longrange deep-water torpedoes allow her to punish passive battleships in the rear, right?

 

What WG apparently fails to understand (and which has been pointed out by every single player that tested the ship that I've seen/read so far) is that why would someone play the Asashio to hunt passive camping BBs in the back, when it's much more effective to simply go for the BBs that actually do their job and push forward.

 

Even if the whole "punish camping BBs" thing is falsely attributed to WG (don't know but wouldn't be surprised), the matter of fact is that the Asashio is a far greater threat to BBs that play the objective than to those who don't. It's punishing good gameplay (and really, there's little even a good BB player can do against a volley of 8 DWTs, nevermind the potential 16 DWTs in conjunction with the TRB consumable) and the potatoes camping in the back are quite possibly hardly feeling the impact because games tend to end quick after the players PTFOing have been sunk.

 

 

The whole concept of the Asashio is bad for the game.

 

 

So yeah, I very much think the Asashio shouldn't make it into the game.

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2 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

I voiced my opinion on the Asashio already often enough in other threads. There are so many threads out there about this ship. Most people think it is brokenly OP or utter garbage. I still don't see any changes coming that don't make this ship an overspecialised one-trick pony. I kind of gave up.

 

I would've bought it would it be a normal ship. I could buy it even now, given I wouldn't miss the money much, but the ship's concept disgusts me enough that I won't.

I agree..The main reason  for this is the POLL.. A pols sends a Clear message to  the Moderators If its overwheling against may @MrConway or @Crysantos will pass it up the chain..

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I'm interested in this ship - but my main barrier to buying it is whether I want to give WG any more money (as per several of my previous posts, I still have issues with WG because of ARP Nachi mission).

 

The lack of anti-DD\CA\CL torpedoes won't personally deter me from capping because I feel the presence of friendly cruisers to support me versus the presence of enemy radar cruisers and DDs is more important at those tiers than my own ability to torp DDs or cruisers.

 

But then I'm a low tier peasant who mostly clubs in the Kami R and Fujin, so what do I know? :Smile_amazed:

 

Edit - the above is regardless of what I personally think of the ship, if it should be in the game or not, the direction the devs are going, etc, etc....  If they add it, I'm interested, because I play IJN ships.

 

 

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I dont think the BB camping is a huge issue: BB have used every excuse under the sun to hide at the back, from torp walls, smoke, repair costs etc. This is just another excuse for them.

 

The asashio can actually spot/stealth cap. It can't fight its way out of a wet paper bag if it gets seen, but it can try stealth capping.

Problem is it most likely wont, because I suspect as the OP says it will be mostly bought by people wanting high damage safe mode.

 

Ultimately though, i dont think it hugely matters - we get bad DD players anyway who go off on some tour of the borders as it is. This will just have the same bad dd players, but in a different ship. We will also probably get some bad bb players swap to it, so they can find a new way of being useless.

 

 

 

The really worst part though?

I know its no good at doing useful dd stuff (cap contesting)

I know it is useless against 2/3 of the enemy team

I know the only people its good against will be in positions that dont affect the game

I know its a one trick pony that will probably get boring quickly

Yet somehow I kinda want one, and this probably makes me a bad person

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11 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

I had to pick a number.. To be honist im counting Experienced as players that have played more than one DD tech line.

Picked a 1000 as its a clear round number.. Any number i picked below would be still to many for some and not enough for others

Well i have around 1400 DD Battles in T8 plus DDs that inclues battles in pre changes IJN and RU DD from someone who has all DDs safe Udloi/Grozevoi. You choise rather limits what you call "expirenced DD players".

 

 I would call 1k battles at best a elitist choise as a benchmark......

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6 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Well i have around 1400 DD Battles in T8 plus DDs that inclues battles in pre changes IJN and RU DD from someone who has all DDs safe Udloi/Grozevoi. You choise rather limits what you call "expirenced DD players".

 

 I would call 1k battles at best a elitist choise as a benchmark......

What number should i pick? As i said i had to pic a number.. I feel 500 say is to low.. suggest me a number?

 

Note Im not saying 1000 games in tier 8+ DD.. Im saying a 1000+ games in DDs and that they have played games in tier 8+ DD....(again edited to make this clear)

 

Or should i limit Experienced to at least a certain winrate (something i think would be wrong)

 

 

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Asashio: Nature's answer to the BB overpopulation. Asashio's specialised predatory behaviour towards a niche source of prey will at first cut a huge swathe in the numbers of BBabies and will for a time rise to unsustainable numbers when the population of BBabies decline dramatically thus depriving the Asashio of its food source. The Asashio's population will then begin to decline as a result of that due to the better adapted non Asashio DDs and slowly the numbers of BBabies will rise again and this natural cycle will continue until an equlibrium is achieved. 

While the BBabies will take a hard hit its survival as a species is not in any way under the threat of becoming extinct.

We should welcome and cherish this new addition to our local marine wildlife :cap_tea:

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1 minute ago, T0byJug said:

What number should i pick? As i said i had to pic a number.. I feel 500 say is to low.. suggest me a number?

I woudnt pick a number at all like i said someone who grinded a DD line or 2 to T10 (and you not even need 10 at all this is a T8 ship i just say 10 because you need a decent number of battles to grind from 8-10 even with prem unless you use free exp) should have enogh expience to understand who the nonability of Asashio to torp anything but BBs afect her option. He should also understand what 5.4km stealth but relativ low speed afect your options both in caping or going yolo on the flanks.

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1 minute ago, G01ngToxicCommand0 said:

Asashio: Nature's answer to the BB overpopulation. Asashio's specialised predatory behaviour towards a niche source of prey will at first cut a huge swathe in the numbers of BBabies and will for a time rise to unsustainable numbers when the population of BBabies decline dramatically thus depriving the Asashio of its food source. The Asashio's population will then begin to decline as a result of that due to the better adapted non Asashio DDs and slowly the numbers of BBabies will rise again and this natural cycle will continue until an equlibrium is achieved. 

While the BBabies will take a hard hit its survival as a species is not in any way under the threat of becoming extinct.

We should welcome and cherish this new addition to our local marine wildlife :cap_tea:

I realy dont think it will make any difference to the number of BB's played

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2 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

I realy dont think it will make any difference to the number of BB's played

Probably not as there seem to be an inexhaustable numbers of those:cap_old:

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1 minute ago, T0byJug said:

I realy dont think it will make any difference to the number of BB's played

However as others have already stated it may affect the style of how BB's are played. BB's hanging back won't care for a random torpedo hit because the spread will be wider the farther away and they usually have no CD on DCP anyway. Frontline BB on the other hand...

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1 minute ago, Spellfire40 said:

I woudnt pick a number at all like i said someone who grinded a DD line or 2 to T10 (and you not even need 10 at all this is a T8 ship i just say 10 because you need a decent number of battles to grind from 8-10 even with prem unless you use free exp) should have enogh expience to understand who the nonability of Asashio to torp anything but BBs afect her option. He should also understand what 5.4km stealth but relativ low speed afect your options both in caping or going yolo on the flanks.

But that is a bit arbitrary as well.. I had something like 2000 games in DDs before i had any tier X. I then Got the US/German/IJN and Russian within a month or so of each other. I was playing all tech lines at the same time. Also many non prem players don't progress far past tier 8 as they have cash flow issues at tier 9 and 10.

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20km torps + reload booster means you can launch them from the start at unusual positions. 

Could be interesting even without Deepwater. 

 

If they don't bring the ship this way, I hope they just give it normal torps instead. 

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5 minutes ago, G01ngToxicCommand0 said:

Asashio: Nature's answer to the BB overpopulation. Asashio's specialised predatory behaviour towards a niche source of prey will at first cut a huge swathe in the numbers of BBabies and will for a time rise to unsustainable numbers when the population of BBabies decline dramatically thus depriving the Asashio of its food source. The Asashio's population will then begin to decline as a result of that due to the better adapted non Asashio DDs and slowly the numbers of BBabies will rise again and this natural cycle will continue until an equlibrium is achieved. 

While the BBabies will take a hard hit its survival as a species is not in any way under the threat of becoming extinct.

We should welcome and cherish this new addition to our local marine wildlife :cap_tea:

BS sorry. If a Asashio gets me in a BB im out of position or the Asashi get that kill of the cost of being useless to the team as a whoule......a BB isnt worth being of limited use in contested in caping (she can cap fine but she is more teamdepending in dealing with any oposition and fast gunboats just can run her down if not suported)

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11 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Well i have around 1400 DD Battles in T8 plus DDs that inclues battles in pre changes IJN and RU DD from someone who has all DDs safe Udloi/Grozevoi. You choise rather limits what you call "expirenced DD players".

 

 I would call 1k battles at best a elitist choise as a benchmark......

So if that is elitist lets ask the 10 battles DD experts what they think. Cuz they deserve to be called experienced aswell. :Smile_facepalm:

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36 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

My opinion

Asashio will just frustrate the team its in as the ship will not Scout/Cap..

This happens already and is really frustrating. When someone plays, specially like the Kiev, there is always someone who refuse to understand or to take the effort in understanding some mechanics.

 

"Go spot FFS! Spot that Kagero! What is wrong with you?!?!"

 

"Perfect positioning Kiev! -1 Pls uninstall!"

 

Unbelieveable amount of ppl just will not ever understand that there are some ships in this game, that just cannot do what ppl expect those to do. Most of the comments, when they're told that (Kiev, minimum 7,1km) can't outspot Kagero (minimum 5,4km) even if the player wants, is, "then why you even play it?!?". Yes, in theory, it is possible but in practice... No.

 

And yes, this is one of the reasons I don't play ships like Kiev so much. I like it tho. There are just too many games where the DD advantage is with the opponent (they have one more even when you play the Kiev) and the ones that don't understand them mechanics. But, I suspect that it would not be a reason for ppl not to buy the Asashio...

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37 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Anybody who grinded a DD to t10 should bave enogh games in the 8-10 bracket to understand high tir DD gameplay.

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While I am a cruiser main and don't have the arbitrary number of DD battles, I really don't see what positive impact Asashio might have on high tier battles. It shuts down a class and discourages initiative and agressive play, something that is already rare in high tiers, especially from BB captains.

I don't think it will cause derps to play less BB because a potato will be a potato and they don't realise what they were doing wrong anyway. It will just validate bad playstyles for those that sit in the back, while punishing good play disproportionally. It doesn't offer particularly interesting counterplay and Asashio still isn't really that suited to playing for objectives, so most random derps will probably just sit at 16-20km spamming torps with TRB and not being in a hurry to cap themselves either.

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