[FNEC] Dufour14 Players 33 posts 13,541 battles Report post #1 Posted March 25, 2018 So I am launching the debate: Who wants to join for a chat about upcoming US Cruisers since all relevant stats have been made public??? (Note: go on WoWS DevBlog Facebook page for more informations ) -New T9: edited stats -New T6, in the second branch: https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/photos/a.1914529002206771.1073741828.1909055039420834/2035073636818973/?type=3&theater -New T7, continuing: https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/photos/a.1914529002206771.1073741828.1909055039420834/2040791706247166/?type=3&theater -And another one, maybe premium version??? (disscus down below =) ): https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/photos/a.1914529002206771.1073741828.1909055039420834/2040793692913634/?type=3&theater- Finally Clevland at her place she deserves to be =), no offence WG: - Then a new one here at T9, welcome : https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/photos/a.1914529002206771.1073741828.1909055039420834/2040792016247135/?type=3&theater -And last but not least, T10 ATL version 2.0 =) : Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FNEC] Dufour14 Players 33 posts 13,541 battles Report post #2 Posted March 25, 2018 So your finally verdic??? Glad to listen to it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yogibjoern Players 471 posts 2,535 battles Report post #3 Posted March 25, 2018 Hard to say actually since none of us ordinary mortals haven't had a chance to try any of them.. I'm looking forward to this split but I'm a bit worried too, you know what you have and not what you'll get. Stats can be deceiving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #4 Posted March 25, 2018 well gona get that t10 just for collection 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #5 Posted March 25, 2018 The final verdict is that the stats are not final. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #6 Posted March 25, 2018 Based on just the stats and the video Notser posted showing how weak the Pensacola will be without the gun upgrade, I must say that the line appears to be severely underpowered. Compared to its current iteration it appears that the ships have all been nerfed in this way or another or have stats that are clearly inferior to other ships at tier. Released as they are presented in the previews, both lines would become the worst ships at tier starting from T6. Having said that, I must confess that I am happy that WG is still testing those ships. I have no illusions about what will happen to the ships after they go onto the public test server, as WG will ignore all but the most aggravating bugs and weaknesses of the ships at that stage (as shown in their previous PTS actions -> Mongqueror *cough*). So as long as the ships stay in the closed test stage, there is hope they will be made better as they appear now. In the end I try to remain positive, but that's WG we are talking about. Sadly... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WGB] 13Ninjas Players 198 posts 2,769 battles Report post #7 Posted March 25, 2018 Stats are easier to read here. T6 USS Dallas http://wows-global-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/world-of-warships-uss-dallas-super.html T7 USS Helena http://wows-global-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/world-of-warships-tier-7-uss-helena.html T7 USS Boise http://wows-global-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/world-of-warships-tier-7-uss-boise.html T8 USS Pittsburgh http://wows-global-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/world-of-warships-tier-8-uss-pittsburgh.html T9 USS Seattle http://wows-global-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/world-of-warships-tier-9-uss-seattle.html T10 USS Worcester http://wows-global-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/world-of-warships-tier-10-uss-worcester.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bug Beta Tester 467 posts 13,407 battles Report post #8 Posted March 25, 2018 I will miss the Pensacola. New Orleans need to be replaced, and so do Cleveland, so I welcome the changes. There are no planned changes to the tier 5 Omaha that any of you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yogibjoern Players 471 posts 2,535 battles Report post #9 Posted March 25, 2018 The new T VII premium Boise is looking rather interesting. Then we will have a Brooklyn Boise and a St.Louis Helena in game. Hopefully we'll get a Oregon City and Fargo class later would be two nice T-VIII premiums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FDUSH] Sargento_YO Players 1,476 posts 12,665 battles Report post #10 Posted March 25, 2018 USS Boise??? That could be the basis for a future premium ARA 9 de Julio, or even the ARA General Belgrano?? If so... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #11 Posted March 26, 2018 I think they look interesting. :) Buffalo seems nice :) And that comming (premium) T7 too ;) Wonder how the Worcester will be?Not quite upto the Minotaur in reload rate. But HE looks nice :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #12 Posted March 26, 2018 Should be interesting. We have long range decently armored RU CLs. We have short range badly armored RN CLs with smoke. And now we'll have short range well armored USN CLs. They share most characteristics with their CA relatives while having shorter range but higher DPM guns. With the current stats I'm not at all impressed with Boise. 810m turning radius at 30kts max speed... with even shorter range than the other CLs. That's just not going to work. And what do you get for that hefty price? Radar and better AA. Not worth, at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AAO] Paimentaja Players 396 posts 24,494 battles Report post #13 Posted March 26, 2018 Can't wait to get my hands on them! Cruisers are like bread and butter for me, so, this definately is something I've been waiting for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #14 Posted March 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Nechrom said: With the current stats I'm not at all impressed with Boise. 810m turning radius at 30kts max speed... with even shorter range than the other CLs. That's just not going to work. And what do you get for that hefty price? Radar and better AA. Not worth, at all. WG probably trying to justify Boise's radar with worse maneuverability and range. And she only has better mid and short range AA than Helena which has better long range AA. Boise also has somewhat better concealment. But yea, it looks like bad trade. Maybe better trade would be to give Helena 8.5 to 9sec reload while keep Boise with 10sec but give it same maneuverability and range. Also another T7 premium with radar while still not a single T7 silver ship has it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SINT] Jvd2000 Players 1,639 posts 31,167 battles Report post #15 Posted March 26, 2018 Hope the Boise does not become a 2nd Indianapolis. The radar itself does not make it a good (or even avarage ship). For now it looks like a downgrade towards the silver ship. Do we even need a 3rd (excluding Flint as no 4 due to ranked requirements) US tier VII cruiser? The other 2 are already either gimmickly or avarage and a 3rd avarage cruiser is not what we need. For captain training it might be convenient to have a light cruiser as premium so you can use the indianapolis for your ca captains and the Boise (Marblehead and maybe Atlanta) for your CL captains...This if the ship is of US nationality. If WG really wish to release a US cruiser pick one at tier 8 since with the departure of the Kutuzov your cruisers choices are limited to Atago (good) and Prinz Eugen (less good..). So there might be some some room for another premium to be sold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #16 Posted March 26, 2018 TBH Boise's stats look extremely strange to me... As if they were stock stats as if on a silver ship, instead of stats on a prem ship... I mean 13.8 km range on a T7 cruiser with this concealment and sluggishness is just baaaaaaad... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FDUSH] Sargento_YO Players 1,476 posts 12,665 battles Report post #17 Posted March 26, 2018 I was just thinking... Why Boise? USS Boise has anything special (for the US) to become a premium ship? The only thing I can think of it's because it became the ARA 9 de Julio. But even then isn't THAT special like the ARA General Belgrano. And having THREE same ships its a little silly. (Well, we already have three same ships like the Omaha, Marblehead and Murmansk). The only thing I hope is that they don't make the ARA 9 de Julio the only Argentinean ship, skipping the General Belgrano (which is the one me and every Argentinean really wish for) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #18 Posted March 26, 2018 CL line with no smoke at all? Uh oh, that will be a fail line then methinks. They should have some Perth-type smoke, even if just with 2 reloads so they could survive a bit longer and have some means of disengaging from a dangerous situation, otherwise the entire line risks being a total flop (after all CL are supposed to be DD hunters and so first line and to go near caps). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FDUSH] Sargento_YO Players 1,476 posts 12,665 battles Report post #19 Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said: CL line with no smoke at all? Uh oh, that will be a fail line then methinks. They should have some Perth-type smoke, even if just with 2 reloads so they could survive a bit longer, otherwise the entire line might be a total flop. No! The last thing we need it's even more smoke! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,533 battles Report post #20 Posted March 26, 2018 34 minutes ago, piritskenyer said: TBH Boise's stats look extremely strange to me... As if they were stock stats as if on a silver ship, instead of stats on a prem ship... I mean 13.8 km range on a T7 cruiser with this concealment and sluggishness is just baaaaaaad... She has more guns of the same Calibre than the Fiji and same detection. would have thought the guns range would be the same range. After all yes she has more. But the slower rate of fore of the Boise means she has about the same shells down range over time as the Fiji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #21 Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, Sargento_YO said: No! The last thing we need it's even more smoke! A non-smoker eh? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #22 Posted March 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, T0byJug said: She has more guns of the same Calibre than the Fiji and same detection. would have thought the guns range would be the same range. After all yes she has more. But the slower rate of fore of the Boise means she has about the same shells down range over time as the Fiji Yeah, what she also has in those stats are: - unhistorically slow speed - huge turning radius - sluggish rudder - abysmal range All stats considered, something smells like fish to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yogibjoern Players 471 posts 2,535 battles Report post #23 Posted March 26, 2018 Could be a golden opportunity for WG to introduce radar on silver ships at tier VII, let New Orleans keep it and put it on the Helena as well. Just to silence the P2W Tier VII radar cry forever. Boise would still be viable just like the Prinz Eugen/Hipper combo. Just buff it close to Helena stats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,533 battles Report post #24 Posted March 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, piritskenyer said: Yeah, what she also has in those stats are: - unhistorically slow speed - huge turning radius - sluggish rudder - abysmal range All stats considered, something smells like fish to me Wargaming tactics.... They learned from the T61..... Post stats of OP ship. Realise its OP. When it comes nerfed in any way. People perceive it as Crap and dont buy it... With the Boise. Release pre Release mediocre stats. Buff it before launch,.. Ship is perceived as buffed and every one buys her... Ok time to remove tin foil hat T0by 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOZFFVII Players 2,848 posts 5,365 battles Report post #25 Posted March 26, 2018 57 minutes ago, piritskenyer said: Yeah, what she also has in those stats are: - unhistorically slow speed - huge turning radius - sluggish rudder - abysmal range All stats considered, something smells like fish to me ...Her fire chance is 12%! Even with IFHE, we're talking a massive 9% across 15 shells fired at the same time. Belfast's base fire chance is 9% and she has fewer guns. I think we could be looking at a tech tree full of HE spammers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
