1st BB overpop, Now DD infestation?

[SeaWolf7]

Well for a while we had the BB overpopulation now it seems we have a new problem of DD infestation. Unfortunately it seems that the new DD captains don't have much of a clue. Firing from second row if not more, smoking up at the 1st sign of an enemy and hiding leaving everyone blind because no one is spotting. 5 BB's and 5 dd's per game seems to be the norm at the moment. If you have a cv as well that's 1 slot spare for a cruiser. 1?

 

3-4 weeks ago I was doing well 100k +games were more and more frequent for me and it felt good because I was making some headway and win rate was actually up because I was doing thing right for a change.

But NO. WG seems to have other ideas. WHY is it that every time you start doing well its Miraculously followed by a streak of absolute inexplicable EDIT that undoes all your hard work to improve leaving you deflated and asking your self why do you bother?

1 step forward 2 steps back etc. The last  week I have been torped nearly every game. Torps coming out of nowhere, everywhere?!!

Cruisers are the minority in this game now. But they play such a pivotal role in keeping the game balanced yet WG seem to have overlooked this.

It feels like the game has shifted/changed once more...so time to adapt and overcome once again guys ?!!

Anyone else experiencing similar? Am I alone in my analytical theory?

Personally I think that if WG pushed cruisers a bit more and started doing some tasks /competitions for that Line this game might balance its self out on its own. 

[ColonelPete]

When you are torped nearly every game, you are doing wrong...

Looks like your Anti-DD play needs much improvement.

 

And no, we do not have a DD infestation. Just ONE Tier VI DD that gets played a bit more.

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

Hm. My games today were:

 

Yamato - 160k

Shima - 190k

Gearing - 98k

Kurfürst - 50ish k

 

i Call working as intended .

[SeaWolf7]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

When you are torped nearly every game, you are doing wrong...

Looks like your Anti-DD play needs much improvement.

 

 

The thing is m8 I was hunting dd's quite effectively a few weeks ago....

So what's suddenly changed?

 

[ColonelPete]

I have no idea what you do different.

Maybe you have difficulty keeping track of more than two DDs.

[SeaWolf7]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I have no idea what you do different.

Maybe you have difficulty keeping track of more than two DDs.

do you not think that 5 DD's in a  game is OTT if your the only cruiser ?

[loppantorkel]

nvm. I must read OP better.

[Miyamotosama]

As a CA/DD  main i think you can take off your tin foil hat.

 

Maybe their is a dayli quest that need ppl to torp stuff so you will have more potatoes dd for a couple of days.

 

Dont neglect the weekend effect, i dont have play yet today cause i was working but i don't even know if i want to play with the crowd of the week end

[gekkehenkie50]

28 minutes ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said:

Hm. My games today were:

 

Yamato - 160k

Shima - 190k

Gearing - 98k

Kurfürst - 50ish k

 

i Call working as intended .

looks like you stole my dmg >.>

Havent been able to break 100k once today with Monti or Duki... Either I got straddles and overpens, or the team melted before I could get there (think highest was about 92...)

and ofc the dying to the most derpy things; enemy DD sailing around the entire map only to torp me from the side while I'm reversing, CV pushing a strike through god knows how much AA only to detonate me

[ColonelPete]

32 minutes ago, SeaWolf7 said:

do you not think that 5 DD's in a  game is OTT if your the only cruiser ?

No.

And 5 DD per game are rare.

 

Player Average for Shipclasses [ at 2018/03/17 ]

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	agro damage	spot damage	hit ratio
1	BB	Higher Tier	20800	621669	29.89	50.16	0.01	49.82	1276	58085	0.75	1.36	0.00	0.00	38.53	1.22	1256293	16384	25.48
1	CA	Higher Tier	13296	360660	27.13	49.73	0.02	50.25	1237	46414	0.64	0.98	0.00	0.00	33.37	0.96	864190	16063	30.21
1	CV	Higher Tier	866	22705	26.22	50.34	0.02	49.64	1288	64178	0.99	18.48	0.00	0.00	68.60	3.15	220931	55662	0.00
1	DD	Higher Tier	9332	260445	27.91	50.25	0.02	49.74	1279	35904	0.71	0.27	0.00	0.00	30.53	1.02	524074	26839	42.86
2	BB	Lower Tier	13614	375293	27.57	49.53	0.04	50.43	730	32319	0.72	0.60	0.00	0.00	40.01	1.20	699895	7341	22.76
2	CA	Lower Tier	15628	464245	29.71	49.35	0.08	50.56	653	18908	0.64	0.31	0.00	0.00	23.95	0.84	438276	6654	29.01
2	CV	Lower Tier	1468	39203	26.71	50.25	0.04	49.71	846	37107	0.76	10.63	0.00	0.00	58.20	1.82	165103	24845	0.00
2	DD	Lower Tier	10992	288483	26.24	50.01	0.06	49.93	812	21857	0.71	0.09	0.00	0.00	23.50	0.93	365717	11176	41.94

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20180317/eu_week/average_class.html

[SeaWolf7]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

No.

And 5 DD per game are rare.

 

Player Average for Shipclasses [ at 2018/03/17 ]

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	agro damage	spot damage	hit ratio
1	BB	Higher Tier	20800	621669	29.89	50.16	0.01	49.82	1276	58085	0.75	1.36	0.00	0.00	38.53	1.22	1256293	16384	25.48
1	CA	Higher Tier	13296	360660	27.13	49.73	0.02	50.25	1237	46414	0.64	0.98	0.00	0.00	33.37	0.96	864190	16063	30.21
1	CV	Higher Tier	866	22705	26.22	50.34	0.02	49.64	1288	64178	0.99	18.48	0.00	0.00	68.60	3.15	220931	55662	0.00
1	DD	Higher Tier	9332	260445	27.91	50.25	0.02	49.74	1279	35904	0.71	0.27	0.00	0.00	30.53	1.02	524074	26839	42.86
2	BB	Lower Tier	13614	375293	27.57	49.53	0.04	50.43	730	32319	0.72	0.60	0.00	0.00	40.01	1.20	699895	7341	22.76
2	CA	Lower Tier	15628	464245	29.71	49.35	0.08	50.56	653	18908	0.64	0.31	0.00	0.00	23.95	0.84	438276	6654	29.01
2	CV	Lower Tier	1468	39203	26.71	50.25	0.04	49.71	846	37107	0.76	10.63	0.00	0.00	58.20	1.82	165103	24845	0.00
2	DD	Lower Tier	10992	288483	26.24	50.01	0.06	49.93	812	21857	0.71	0.09	0.00	0.00	23.50	0.93	365717	11176	41.94

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20180317/eu_week/average_class.html

Interesting reading . Thank you for that @ColonelPete but i would like to see if the % of DD players has increased recently. Where could I find such info to support my theory?

Seems I have been v. unlucky this past week then. Looks like WG levelling factor has kicked in.

 

1 hour ago, Miyamotosama said:

 

Dont neglect the weekend effect, i dont have play yet today cause i was working but i don't even know if i want to play with the crowd of the week end

the usual crowd are in...I've just been torped by a guy in an Emile...on my team..

 

 ohhh ship!

 

2 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

nvm. I must read OP better.

[Tubit101]

2 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

Anyone else experiencing similar? Am I alone in my analytical theory?

You're not alone. Currently leveling my Fushun and I see battles with 5 DDs on each side all the time. Actually it's even worse because one side tends to have DD dominance, so lots of 4 vs. 5 DD games.

 

The DDs I see tend to yolo very hard, which makes games unpredictable and random. In other words, they're harder to carry. Other ships don't back up DDs, so yeah. It's not great.

[Capra76]

Proportion of ships in game by class, w/e 17/03/2018:

 

Tier	BB	CA	DD	CV
7	49.31%	27.27%	19.16%	4.26%
8	57.30%	24.36%	15.84%	2.51%
9	45.35%	27.53%	25.61%	1.51%
10	31.92%	34.37%	31.93%	1.78%

 

So the least played class at nearly every tier, god alone knows where these 5 DD every game are coming from.

[Miyamotosama]

No god didn't do anything WG did 

[_VAMPA_]

2 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

The thing is m8 I was hunting dd's quite effectively a few weeks ago....

So what's suddenly changed?

 

 

you have started playing more in high tiers? 525/1524 is since ages.

but if you sacrifice 2 virgins you may get in to 534 o_0

 

@Capra76 that stats are bugged because potatoDDs most of the time play for 20mins no matter that they are chasing some Iowa to torp her from behind lol. meanwhile CAs get rekt and those players spam more battles. That is how u get charts like that

 

[Butterdoll]

3 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

The thing is m8 I was hunting dd's quite effectively a few weeks ago....

So what's suddenly changed?

 

Which tier do you play?

[Capra76]

43 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

 

@Capra76 that stats are bugged because potatoDDs most of the time play for 20mins no matter that they are chasing some Iowa to torp her from behind lol. meanwhile CAs get rekt and those players spam more battles. That is how u get charts like that

 

 

So how do all the border-surfing BB fit into that equation?

 

Also in my experience the potato DD usually get themselves killed in the first 5 minutes of the battle, so the exact opposite of what you claim.

[_VAMPA_]

18 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

So how do all the border-surfing BB fit into that equation?

 

Also in my experience the potato DD usually get themselves killed in the first 5 minutes of the battle, so the exact opposite of what you claim.

It works the same way they spend more time in battle and spam less battles no matter that thei r population is little higher than DDs

lol 57.30%  T8 bbs

if that chart was correct you would see something like 28% CAs  at TX that % says that most of the battles CAs are more than any other class in that battles lol

because 34% is 4+ lol

and now one question how many TX battles you have participated in to with 4 or less BBs per side lol

and btw

... that chart is per ship tier you dont have battles with ships only by same tier, well or they are very very few. i cant remember last time when i was in bT12 Battle

no your wrong xD

potato DD go to the border and starts "advanced flanking maneuver"

pototoDD never contest xD he/she spams 10km torps on target that is @ 11km(9-12 you know what i mean) and is moving away.....

potatoDD never EVER gets in less than (his max torp range minus 100metters) only if he is caught offguard or blocked by island

[Capra76]

23 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

if that chart was correct you would see something like 28% CAs  at TX that % says that most of the battles CAs are more than any other class in that battles lol

because 34% is 4+ lol

and now one question how many TX battles you have participated in to with 4 or less BBs per side lol

Chart is as per MapleSyrup data.

 

Remember, T10 battles include ships from T8/9, the reason that T10 CA feel rarer than they are is because of the hugh BB overpopulation at the lower tiers, so a typical t10 battle might look like:

• 2 x T10 BB;
• 2 x T10 CA;
• 2 x T10 DD;

which is in line with the proportions mentioned above, but then:

• 3 x T8/9 BB;
• 3 more ships scraped together from wherever;

which gives you the obligatory 5 BB every battle.

[eliastion]

4 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

do you not think that 5 DD's in a  game is OTT if your the only cruiser ?

5 DDs per side are painful for various classes in this order:

DD>BB>cruiser>CV

 

DDs mostly spoil each other's fun. Then they make life of BBs harder. Only CVs are less vulnerable than cruisers. And, of course, we're assuming here that we're not talking Radar cruisers or other such beasts that are the scourge of DDs, not the other way around.

[Darky_Madness]

7 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

The thing is m8 I was hunting dd's quite effectively a few weeks ago....

So what's suddenly changed?

 

You ran out of idiots and are playing against smarter people.

that know dd mechanics?

[_VAMPA_]

4 hours ago, eliastion said:

5 DDs per side are painful for various classes in this order:

DD>BB>cruiser>CV

 

DDs mostly spoil each other's fun. Then they make life of BBs harder. Only CVs are less vulnerable than cruisers. And, of course, we're assuming here that we're not talking Radar cruisers or other such beasts that are the scourge of DDs, not the other way around.

whats the problem with radar cruisers?

[eliastion]

37 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

whats the problem with radar cruisers?

Huh? They are Radar cruisers, you know. Rather than inconvenienced by 5 DD per side, they actually feast on such MM since they are pretty much guaranteed to an occasion to make their Radar useful (low-DD games don't give that guarantee, if you end up with 1v1 DD situation, a Radar cruiser has a good chance of never having the enemy DD in Radar range for the whole match just by picking the "wrong" flank).

[SeaWolf7]

11 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Which tier do you play?

usually 7/8. Fiji +Eddy.

 

6 hours ago, Darky_Madness said:

You ran out of idiots and are playing against smarter people.

that know dd mechanics?

Quite possible but then you see people smoking up and not spotting sitting in their own smoke and getting torped. Launching torps from like 3rd row etc .

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

You do know that high DD games are the worst for the Destroyers themselves and not the precious BB players?

 

As it means far more cap and spotting competition.

 

Still, if you don't like the way a class is played by others then maybe you should play that class and be a better example?

 

Cruisers should be promoted more yes as they're the hardest class to play arguably. You n often need to try a lot harder in a Cruiser to do as well as in the other classes.