What is it with Battleship HE spam??!?

[darkstar73]

Hello guys. Just played a game. And again. Why do most(like 90%) battleship players shoot HE ONLY? Against a perfect target. Start spam HE at max range. Then no matter what target they aim at. HE spam only. Why is that? Howcome it is like that now. Was NOT like that earlier. Can´t player aim nowadays? I mean if you can aim you will choose AP almost everytime. Results AP vs HE says itself. So why guys? Just wondering. Have a great day :) 

[Allied_Winter]

RN BB syndrome.

 

Players see RN BBs spam HE. Mostly because with RN BBs and their 1/4 pen, high Alpha and high fire chance it's brain dead left click spam with the "1" button. Players in other nations BBs simlpy try to replicate that.

 

In 95% of the cases with way less success, but eh...

 

 

Greetings

 

[havaduck]

2 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

RN BB syndrome.

 

Players see RN BBs spam HE. Mostly because with RN BBs and their 1/4 pen, high Alpha and high fire chance it's brain dead left click spam with the "1" button. Players in other nations BBs simlpy try to replicate that.

 

In 95% of the cases with way less success, but eh...

 

 

Greetings

 

 

This.

 

We had 2 years ago with braindead Tirpitz players too. Then more and more buffs to BB and nerfs to Cruisers until even the biggest Noobs realised you will sooner or later wreck any cruiser by getting lucky and pointing the guns in the generell vague direcrion.....

 

Now they see super effective BBHE spam and the idiots switch back, simple as that.

 

But hey it increases cruiser  survivibility so I wont complain. Its not like WG is doing anything directly in that regard.

[pra3y]

3 hours ago, havaduck said:

But hey it increases cruiser  survivibility so I wont complain. Its not like WG is doing anything directly in that regard.

This. On a few occasions i see an enemy BB launch a salvo at my nice juicy broadside and go ohhhh damm. Then I see that its actually HE shells not AP and start laughing instead. Jolly kind of them to not nuke me in 1 salvo.

[_DeathWing_]

Cuz... reasons 

[mil71]

Because of the over abundance of over pens, dud hits etc.

At least with HE you get some damage and maybe a fire.

 

[Miyamotosama]

Il y a 25 minutes, mil71 a dit :

Because of the over abundance of over pens, dud hits etc.

At least with HE you get some damage and maybe a fire.

 

Are you kiddin me ?

Yesterday i did a match in my lyon i was spammed for 10 min by 3 BB and they couldn t kill me cause guess who get damage control and a heal.

Youshould know by the time that better but AP on major of the target cause they can't heal citadel damage but ok continue to spam he...

[deadly_if_swallowed]

2 minutes ago, Miyamotosama said:

Are you kiddin me ?

Yesterday i did a match in my lyon i was spammed for 10 min by 3 BB and they couldn t kill me cause guess who get damage control and a heal.

Youshould know by the time that better but AP on major of the target cause they can't heal citadel damage but ok continue to spam he...

He has a point though. There are some ships with such frustrating dispersion (Frenchies, I am looking at you, especially Dunkek, Richelieu and Alsace), that HE really is a weak but consistent way of getting the dmg number up, rather than just spraying and praying for the AP to land that one golden hit.

[Miyamotosama]

Il y a 1 heure, deadly_if_swallowed a dit :

He has a point though. There are some ships with such frustrating dispersion (Frenchies, I am looking at you, especially Dunkek, Richelieu and Alsace), that HE really is a weak but consistent way of getting the dmg number up, rather than just spraying and praying for the AP to land that one golden hit.

I can agree on max range HE can be more profitable butat some point the fight will be surelly at some more close range and this dispersion what i have noticed is less impacting.

At some point you have to take some risk asa BB you can t only stayback and spam he

I only played normandie and lyon and never feeeling that dispersion where forcing me to use HE, i only do that if all the target are angled or just use a dammage control other than this it s AP 90% of the time

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Normandie and Lyon are okay. Granted, Lyon's accuracy feels subpar compared to her peers on T7 but her 16 shells make up for it quite perfectly. She is a beast once you get used to it.

Richelieu however... let's just say I detest that ship wholeheartedly, and whenever I am duelling one I am not afraid of turning full broadside.

[lup3s]

I do remember HE Fuso being viable in Ranked ..

[AngryBear]

I noticed it aswell, its because fire is incredibly devastating and i also notice i catch fire far too easily now.

No matter how you time your CD's for fire/flooding etc., its almost impossible to stop once they keep firing HE's at you.

[VC381]

5 hours ago, pra3y said:

This. On a few occasions i see an enemy BB launch a salvo at my nice juicy broadside and go ohhhh damm. Then I see that its actually HE shells not AP and start laughing instead. Jolly kind of them to not nuke me in 1 salvo.

 

Yeah, I get that feeling as well. Problem is, BB HE wipes out cruiser rudders with alarming regularity. Usually a BB firing HE at you is something to laugh at until you get wiped out by the rest of his team because you're stuck sailing in a circle exactly where you don't want to be.

 

3 hours ago, deadly_if_swallowed said:

He has a point though. There are some ships with such frustrating dispersion (Frenchies, I am looking at you, especially Dunkek, Richelieu and Alsace), that HE really is a weak but consistent way of getting the dmg number up, rather than just spraying and praying for the AP to land that one golden hit.

 

Even the ships with so-called frustrating dispersion will rack up way more damage with AP in the long term with correct positioning and patience. It's how averages work. Switching to HE doesn't magically make you get more hits and fires are just as RNG as citadels. What would you rather, a hit every once in a while that does 10k damage or a hit every once in a while that does 2k and maybe another 5k that can be healed? I know we've all had games where we felt the dispersion was against us. Last time I had a game like that I raged and swore all the way to 100k damage. As I said, aim well and the averages work out in your favour with BB AP.

 

27 minutes ago, deadly_if_swallowed said:

Normandie and Lyon are okay. Granted, Lyon's accuracy feels subpar compared to her peers on T7 but her 16 shells make up for it quite perfectly. She is a beast once you get used to it.

Richelieu however... let's just say I detest that ship wholeheartedly, and whenever I am duelling one I am not afraid of turning full broadside.

 

Eh... what? Richelieu has jumped to my No.1 most feared T8 BB, maybe most feared T8 ship overall, while playing any class. I got 30k wiped off my health bar in one go when I underestimated one of these and turned in the wrong place in my North Carolina.

[SirAmra]

Told WG here and on facebook that how they balanced the british BBs around HE would be terrible for gameplay.

But then again, u saw the same when everone could get the Bis from missions. Lots of low games players who just fired HE.

I had a game yesterday, I made the misplay of relying on my team. 3 enemy BBs and 2 CAs fired nothing but HE at me.

The BBs were Der Grosse, Iowa and a Tirp.....no AP hit me at all.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

13 minutes ago, VC381 said:

Eh... what? Richelieu has jumped to my No.1 most feared T8 BB, maybe most feared T8 ship overall, while playing any class. I got 30k wiped off my health bar in one go when I underestimated one of these and turned in the wrong place in my North Carolina.

Umm... not sure what kind of Richelieu you met but having played with and against that dreaded ship I just know he can't hit me. There is a sweet spot at around 10-11 km where Richelieu is somewhat dangerous but at all other ranges, closer and further away, there is just no chance his shells land where he aims them.

 

[pra3y]

On 3/20/2018 at 1:33 AM, VC381 said:

Yeah, I get that feeling as well. Problem is, BB HE wipes out cruiser rudders with alarming regularity. Usually a BB firing HE at you is something to laugh at until you get wiped out by the rest of his team because you're stuck sailing in a circle exactly where you don't want to be.

 

Usually only on the French CAs, to which I have last stand (odd but yes) and light CAs. I don't really find those HE salvos breaking rudder or engine that often on higher tier CAs often though, that's why I have a good laugh.

[VC381]

4 hours ago, pra3y said:

 

Usually only on the French CAs, to which I have last stand (odd but yes) and light CAs. I don't really find those HE salvos breaking rudder or engine that often on higher tier CAs often though, that's why I have a good laugh.

 

For me dodging seems to increase the probability of stern hits and even underwater hits or near misses near the stern with BB HE break the rudder. I've had this on all ships, even otherwise well armoured CAs like Atago and Indianapolis. Usually though I just instantly repair and disengage, but if I take a last unlucky hit before being unspotted that's guaranteed fire damage 

[pra3y]

4 hours ago, VC381 said:

 

For me dodging seems to increase the probability of stern hits and even underwater hits or near misses near the stern with BB HE break the rudder. I've had this on all ships, even otherwise well armoured CAs like Atago and Indianapolis. Usually though I just instantly repair and disengage, but if I take a last unlucky hit before being unspotted that's guaranteed fire damage 

Eh well I guess I rarely get my rudder or engine broken while playing my CAs as I've mentioned above, so its not really a big issue to me when getting smacked by HE. Hahahahaha I seem to be getting my turrets knocked out more frequently now though for some reason 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Everybody always says "with RN BB started this" but that's just not true. Yes, RN BBs do it best... but potatoes since beta used HE an BBs nearly exclusively, because when shooting AP you need to know where to aim at to do damage. With HE it's "aim in the general direction of the enemy and hope you hit anything..."

[1MajorKoenig]

25 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Everybody always says "with RN BB started this" but that's just not true. Yes, RN BBs do it best... but potatoes since beta used HE an BBs nearly exclusively, because when shooting AP you need to know where to aim at to do damage. With HE it's "aim in the general direction of the enemy and hope you hit anything..."

 

Everybody says this as it was a contained phenomenon of some ignorant ppl refusing to learn the game (or brand new at it) back in the days and grossly ineffective. That’s why ppl smiled about it. 

 

The RN ships for braindead monkeys can do now the same and be competitive with it. That is a huge and terrible difference. It actually made me take a break despite my interest in the new FR line. I might come back but my enthusiasm cooled down a lot.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

23 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

The RN ships for braindead monkeys can do now the same and be competitive with it. That is a huge and terrible difference. It actually made me take a break despite my interest in the new FR line. I might come back but my enthusiasm cooled down a lot.

 

Fun fact: when You know when to use AP with RN BBs they do even more damage, than when using HE only.

[1MajorKoenig]

1 hour ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

 

Fun fact: when You know when to use AP with RN BBs they do even more damage, than when using HE only.

 

Of course - you are right. But the simple HE only style will still allow you to come to decent results with zero effort/skill. That’s my issue.

[mil71]

Using a heal to fix fire damage is stupid, what if a torpedo comes your way and you have no way of stopping the leak straight away and you just used the damage control to repair some fire damage.

 

Spam HE on people when DD's are near it makes their jobs easier knowing their torps will get some hefty dots up.

[Turnipsi]

18 hours ago, mil71 said:

Using a heal to fix fire damage is stupid, what if a torpedo comes your way and you have no way of stopping the leak straight away and you just used the damage control to repair some fire damage.

 

Spam HE on people when DD's are near it makes their jobs easier knowing their torps will get some hefty dots up.

Heal =/= Damage control.

 

Most of the time you can just look at the map and see if torpedoes will be problem at the moment anyway.