CV’s ??

[Cyclops_]

I really hate it when I load up and see CV’s in the teams, ( running T5 to T7 RN CL’s & IJN DD’s) as you either get a fantastic CV Captain who knows what he is doing or a total idiot.

last nights game in question, we had 2 x DD  inc me in my T5 Mutsuki and CV was T6.

We kept calling for AA support from CV as there CV was targetting us DD’s, CV completely ignored us and no matter how hard the 2 of us tried  to avoid the CV’s planes he just hunted us down  he totaly and cross torped and bombed us to death v quickly, even though we tried to get close to our own ships.

What was our CV doing, his fighter squad NEVER moved away from defending him, even though he was never under attack, his torp and bombers where soon destroyed as he just flew them at the nearest BB and got blown out of the  sky and  the rest of the team was soon deleted.

I know there are good CV Captains out there, but  a bad one has such a negative effect on the outcome of the game, there must be a way for WG  to grade  CV captains in MM?

[Hybria]

Bad and mediocore players are allowed to play every class ingame.

Even classes that influence win rates of the teams - like CVs and DDs.

 

I dont want to see this 30-40% DD players in my team either and have to deal with them anyway ... no skill based MM either.

No ship can carry a game alone, not even a division can carry everything. 

 

Skill based MM would require to rate skill _ but based on what? You cant take WR because every player would have 50% WR with a skill based MM in the long run.

Solo vs. Division? 

Furthermore i guess we dont have enough players for this. 

 

 

 

[soulmask]

Skill based MM for cv's would be a bad idea, don't know why people keep throwing this around, 

i see myself as average in a cv, just now pushing back in to t8 in the Shokaku after leaving the Lexington last year, 

but the amount of DD's i see that just yolo in to a cap, smoke up and sit there,  yes their fun to drop torps on,

However BB drivers can just be as bad as well as CA/CL, just you have more of them in a match to notice that odd one

or two, but if all of them are than well rip game,

 

take my first game in the Shokaku, t10 match, no surprised 3 games all been t10, but anyway i got called so much crap

by 1 player in a Moskva,  Why  because i was doing as you are saying my planes where protecting / scouting the caps

while this guy sailed solo on the other side of the map and got 1 air strike on him and shot to hell by bb's,

how is that my fault, go figure

[Naesil]

3 minutes ago, soulmask said:

Skill based MM for cv's would be a bad idea, don't know why people keep throwing this around, 

i see myself as average in a cv, just now pushing back in to t8 in the Shokaku after leaving the Lexington last year, 

but the amount of DD's i see that just yolo in to a cap, smoke up and sit there,  yes their fun to drop torps on,

However BB drivers can just be as bad as well as CA/CL, just you have more of them in a match to notice that odd one

or two, but if all of them are than well rip game,

 

take my first game in the Shokaku, t10 match, no surprised 3 games all been t10, but anyway i got called so much crap

by 1 player in a Moskva,  Why  because i was doing as you are saying my planes where protecting / scouting the caps

while this guy sailed solo on the other side of the map and got 1 air strike on him and shot to hell by bb's,

how is that my fault, go figure

It's always CVs fault if there is no CVs around then either blame DDs or just crap talk your team in general for not supporting (even when rushing alone against majority of enemy fleet).

 

Follow these simple rules to fit in!

[Exocet6951]

 

Also very applicable to CVs 

[Horin728]

We really need CVs fault emoji like Femennenly has...

 

[Charlie2906]

46 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

I really hate it when I load up and see CV’s in the teams, ( running T5 to T7 RN CL’s & IJN DD’s) as you either get a fantastic CV Captain who knows what he is doing or a total idiot.

last nights game in question, we had 2 x DD  inc me in my T5 Mutsuki and CV was T6.

We kept calling for AA support from CV as there CV was targetting us DD’s, CV completely ignored us and no matter how hard the 2 of us tried  to avoid the CV’s planes he just hunted us down  he totaly and cross torped and bombed us to death v quickly, even though we tried to get close to our own ships.

What was our CV doing, his fighter squad NEVER moved away from defending him, even though he was never under attack, his torp and bombers where soon destroyed as he just flew them at the nearest BB and got blown out of the  sky and  the rest of the team was soon deleted.

I know there are good CV Captains out there, but  a bad one has such a negative effect on the outcome of the game, there must be a way for WG  to grade  CV captains in MM?

There are many players out there that just want to experience blowing things up and general team playing which WG have catered for as this pays well, unfortunately when it affects the game/round that you are playing you have to resign to the fact it is what it is and hopefully the next game either has a decent CV player in it or none  personally i can play the CV at tier 9 Essex level and class myself as average as play all ships randomly as hate grinding the 1 line probably like alot of players but still get random comments thrown at the CV just because i did not individually cover 1 player that died instantly because of various reasons, The CV imho should light up the enemy for the team to see and try to intercept as many enemy bombers as possible while trying not to engage enemy fighters as its primary function and then send its bombers out when the majority of the bunched up AA has resided.

 

12 minutes ago, Naesil said:

t's always CVs fault if there is no CVs around then either blame DDs or just crap talk your team in general for not supporting (even when rushing alone against majority of enemy fleet).

 

Follow these simple rules to fit in!

As already mentioned many times before this will not disappear anytime soon as individuals either troll/abuse or belittle other players for fun or they think its their right to. I dont agree with the fitting in part however just so that you dont get flamed or to flame  but learning to ignore the chat box is needed in that case and carry on enjoying your game to the best of your abilities.

[lup3s]

1 hour ago, Cyclops_ said:

I know there are good CV Captains out there, but  a bad one has such a negative effect on the outcome of the game, there must be a way for WG  to grade  CV captains in MM?

Best way to deal with a good CV player is to play as a team. Lost count of the number of battles where I dominated the enemy CV and tried everything I could to help my team, but still lost.

Even had a battle against an AFK CV that I lost .. all because the enemy team played together and the other players on my team had less brain cells combined than a doorknob.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

The lack of communication is much more of an issue. Most times 70% of ones team don't ever talk or know any English which is a big problem.

When i play my CV in tier 5 - 7 i don't need to get spammed with marks to know that you are having troble wit enemy cv planes either, there is most likely a reason why i can't cover you (fighter ammunition refuel or fighting against enemy cv fighters).

 

Use the ingame chat, ask without throwing swears around and you may get my help. But as soon as you start pinging the map like a madman and call me names you can be sure i will not care for you and carry as hard as i can after you sink so that you can't blame any losses on me.

 

Getting really tired of people not properly commuicating or reading chat.

 

sry for my bad English

[lup3s]

3 minutes ago, Zuihou25 said:

Getting really tired of people not properly commuicating or reading chat.

 

I'm getting tired of (multiple) ships sailing off alone when there are CVs in the battle .. they are easy targets and (usually) the most difficult to cover because they (usually) are on the map border..

[ClappingLollies]

1 hour ago, Wings_of_RNGesus said:

Bad and mediocore players are allowed to play every class ingame.

Even classes that influence win rates of the teams - like CVs and DDs.

 

I dont want to see this 30-40% DD players in my team either and have to deal with them anyway ... no skill based MM either.

No ship can carry a game alone, not even a division can carry everything. 

 

Skill based MM would require to rate skill _ but based on what? You cant take WR because every player would have 50% WR with a skill based MM in the long run.

Solo vs. Division? 

Furthermore i guess we dont have enough players for this. 

 

 

 

Difference between CV's and DD's is that if you get a bad DD player you can do without him. Usually there are more DD's or you have some form of counter to them. Spotterplanes, Cv's, Hydro, radar you name it. That is not the case if you have a bad CV. CV's have way to much influence if one of them is a potato. Infact, If you look at the CV's stats at the start of the game you can almost predict the outcome every time. Good CV=victory. Bad CV=loss. 

 

When you have two CV's that are almost equally good its very good, but that almost never happens sadly.

 

Edit: Just like the game i just had. Our CV was a potato, which made the enemy CV have free reign to do whatever he wanted. So he smartly spent most of hes game trying to kill me(the only DD). Which made my game VERY VERY fun. Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, spotted, spotted, spotted, spotted, spotted. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 5 Minuten, lup3s sagte:

 

I'm getting tired of (multiple) ships sailing off alone when there are CVs in the battle .. they are easy targets and (usually) the most difficult to cover because they (usually) are on the map border..

Well, if only one fighter squad is availible i surely will not even think about covering them. I support the main line with AA and my strikes. I tell them at the very beginning in chat not to split. But you know, they do it anyway and ping "Requesting Support" 10 times or more until finally sinking. I would sink them myself but whenever i play my Zuihõ i don't have the manual drop.

 

Usually there isn't a problem like that, some games can be really enjoyable but lately i usually get paired with people who want me to be their pet or something lol

[lup3s]

11 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

That is not the case if you have a bad CV. CV's have way to much influence if one of them is a potato. Infact, If you look at the CV's stats at the start of the game you can almost predict the outcome every time. Good CV=victory. Bad CV=loss. 

 

Biggest counter against CVs is playing as a team - probably the reason why so many players think CVs are broken / overpowered.

Although I do think all CVs should get +1/-1 MM (when playing solo). Better for both non-CVs and CVs.

[Sargento_YO]

When I play carriers I try to protect our dds as best as I can, but there has been sometimes where the dds are too close to a high AA ship (Cleveland, Atlanta... Neptune, Minotaur, Des moines)... I keep saying "sink X ship if you want to get aa cover there" but most of the times the fleet ignores me.

I never aproach a high AA ship unless absolutely necesary (and even then, I gather all my planes to overwhelm his defenses, paying close atention on the use of any defensive fire consumable). It's quite frustrating to not being able to help allied ships but I say "if after a couple of minutes they don't sink that AA ship then [edited]it, they don't want to be helped".

[ClappingLollies]

Alle 3/14/2018 alle 15:05, lup3s ha scritto:

 

Biggest counter against CVs is playing as a team - probably the reason why so many players think CVs are broken / overpowered.

Although I do think all CVs should get +1/-1 MM (when playing solo). Better for both non-CVs and CVs.

But when 99% of every team in RB is *edited* that is not gonna happen. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

23 ore fa, MortenTardo ha scritto:

But when 99% of every team in RB is *edited* that is not gonna happen. 

what does "mong" even mean? see that so often in chat. Is it short for "mongrel"?

If what lup3s is suggesting isn't happening then you can't blame the CV for any airstrikes that happen more easily against your team.

[TomBombardil]

And what did you do to negate incoming dmg. Let's play a mind game and play a cbt WoWs game with only a enemy CV and no allied. How do you deal with that?

 

Hint: it has something to do with teamplay and enabling them.

 

Spoiler (mobile).

Do your job for the team (your part of the team). Support them by doing what they can't do  (everyone can do dmg). But not every ship can screen, screening= spotting a LITTLE (2-6 km) in front of your part of the team (2-4 ships) between team and (an)enemy force. 

 So your team can use you and your close enuefh to be helped by them.

[ClappingLollies]

23 ore fa, Zuihou25 ha scritto:

what does *edited* even mean? see that so often in chat. Is it short for "mongrel"?

If what lup3s is suggesting isn't happening then you can't blame the CV for any airstrikes that happen more easily against your team.

By *edited* i mean special snowflakes. It's never the CV's fault. Its WG balancing that is at fault. If the skillgap is that big, WG needs to balance the game after the best players, not the worst. We all have seen what Midway players for example can do if the enemy CV is bad. 

 

To me it seems like CV's are balanced to match each other. And when the balance isn't there (One CV is AFK as an example) we have what we all like to call "OP CV's". Because they have no counter. Yes players can all group up into i little blob of AA, but that does not win games, infact more often then not it loses games. You give up map control.  

[Culiacan_Mexico]

2 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

...last nights game in question, we had 2 x DD  inc me in my T5 Mutsuki and CV was T6.

We kept calling for AA support from CV as there CV was targetting us DD’s, ...

In a DD, never count on support.

[ClappingLollies]

9 minutes ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

In a DD, never count on support.

And yet ppl say that CV's should be balanced around teamplay Aka support.... 

[Hybria]

Dont use speedboost to rush the first cap instantly would save like 50% of DDs life i take....

 

If you have 3 special expert DDs in your team that think its a good idea to speeedboost 3 different caps against a super unicum midway its not the problem of the CV.....

[Peffers]

90% of the time, it isn't the CV or the CV player who are the issue.

[Estaca_de_Bares]

3 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

I really hate it when I load up and see CV’s in the teams, ( running T5 to T7 RN CL’s & IJN DD’s) as you either get a fantastic CV Captain who knows what he is doing or a total idiot.

I entered the game this morning and got enough fed up with the carriers present at that hour that I decided to use mine without proper warm-up. Strafes, air cover, manual attacks, feints? Nope to all, and that's when the guy is actually not AFK. Also a lot of AS (322) Taihos. I took mine out of port with the more usual 232 CAW and wreaked havoc in just one battle, and the same in another lone battle with Ranger. BTW, any competent CV player will feast on mid-tier candy floss/cotton candy makers, or at least make them miserable, so your choice of ships is an invitation to get skewered.

 

3 hours ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

Also very applicable to CVs 

Absolutely spot on. Being only up to Ranger in the USN CV line but the "actual healer" part is basically what goes through my mind when not in the mood and playing an American carrier. You become a lot more cynic when having a lone fighter squadron and a whole map to take care of.

 

Salute.

[Warhawk1984]

I do like playing CV's, i have strong views on CV's and would class myself as average.

 

The biggest issue i have is kinda the opposite i watch dd's go sailing off into the distance then demand air support while getting called every name under the sun.

 

Problem is i got a whole team that requires support, who do i help first i got a cruiser getting hammered by red BB over by A got 2 dd's in C capping but getting bombed by red CV and 2 red dd's in B capping.

 

sorry dd's i cant help you, red CV's got his fighters there ready to intercept my fighters, yes i might win the fighter fight but by the time its over your gonna be dead or i am gonna have so little fighters alive i wont be every effective. in this situation i see the dd's that rushed off alone as lost i focus by strike on the BB and try and save the cruiser over by a while keeping there dd's lit up for the team if i can.

 

basically "skill" works both ways you might be a crack shot you might be able to judge perfectly where to aim your torps but if you go alone without any support you will die 9 times out of 10

 

Mid-Tier CV's are always gonna be a massive pain in the arse (correction not needed mods as i am describing a body part) especially at tier 6 why because thats when they get manual drops they basically need to completely learn how to play carrier class again, is that there fault? no wg choose to change it. it would be like you being a cruiser player only and doing really well and buying a tier 8 premium BB you need time to learn how to play a the bb, its the same between tier 5 and tier 6 carriers.

 

of course we get some great cv players that drop down to tier 6 for a bit of fun/seal clubbing that makes the other cv look like a awful player when in reality the unicum of the other side is just being a Richard (not sure i can say [edited]).

[ClappingLollies]

And again. Just had a CV that was determent to lock fighters over ME. The DD. I run away. He does the same thing again. I send torps on Tirpitz. He is heading in a straight line until the CV decides to strike that exact target. He was already dead, but survived thanks to the CV that made him turn and take one instead of 5-6 torps.. Cuz you know. Reasons. 

 

Thank you CV players for making another game superfun. THANK YOU.