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WG, please fix the TVIII matchmaking. It is unplayable. 70% of the time is low tier fighting against ships with twice the firepower.

 

You are also killing your own cash cow. TVIII premium ships are the most expensive. Given the fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking you have to either make TVIII premiums seriously overpowered or nobody will buy them. In the first case people will leave because of blatant pay to win, in the latter case you can kiss your money goodbye. In either case people will spend more time with their familytm. Here is just one example of your fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking:

 

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Latest Q&A stated that T8 ships are fine, the MM is fine, only EU sees cases where almost 50% of all T8 battles are T10, this is fine too. /s

WG has no desire to change or improve the MM in any way. They are too busy creating paper ships and glorious invincible Russian BBs cruisers. Now gib money.

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1 minute ago, Aragathor said:

Latest Q&A stated that T8 ships are fine, the MM is fine, only EU sees cases where almost 50% of all T8 battles are T10, this is fine too. /s

WG has no desire to change or improve the MM in any way. They are too busy creating paper ships and glorious invincible Russian BBs cruisers. Now gib money.

Did they say smt about cruisers in the game too? Cause that screenshot certainly is indicative of the very fine state they are in as well...

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6 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

almost 50% of all T8 battles are T10

 

 

40% is now almost 50%. TIL ...

 

Sorry, I know T8 is seen by some in a dire state, but please guys, be precise!

 

 

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Looking at your stats you're doing an amazing job in your 8's OP. Seeing your example battle I'd say tierwise the spread is very even. Your team only had the radar disadvantage. MM could have given your side the Missouri. But otherwise I don't really see the problem. IMO the only T8 which are in severe trouble are the silver cruisers. I think they should be given access to a heal. In your example there weren't T8 cruisers but I think you know what I mean. The BB's and Dd's on 8 can fairly compete in 10 matches. I can't say anything about CV's in that regard though.

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22 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said:

I can't say anything about CV's in that regard though.

 

T8 CVs are playable in T10 matches if you're limiting yourself to scouting, air denial and occasionally snacking on some overextended DDs.

Striking capital ships becomes possible (albeit often still costly) towards the end of the match when AA has been severely depleted via HE spam.

Cruiser heavy high tier matches, while incredibly rare, are what CV nightmares are made of tho regardless of tier. It should be noted that I haven't seen a cruiser heavy high tier match in maybe over a year.

 

Personally I believe this is a fairly okay state for T8 CVs to be in when up-tiered. Could be improved for sure (as MM in general can be improved), but it isn't too bad.

It does however require a certain understanding of your role as a CV, something that is severely lacking in the minds of the average playerbase.

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27 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

T8 CVs are playable in T10 matches if you're limiting yourself to scouting, air denial and occasionally snacking on some overextended DDs.

Wait a second... For a minute I actually believed I understand CV play. In the, granted, extremely few matches I played a CV I was exactly doing this. I didn't touch a CV since I accidentally TK-ed a friendly cruiser or BB (not sure about that anymore, since it has been at least 1.5 year ago), trying to protect him from such an overextended DD. I meant to drop a torp strike on said DD and at the point of no return, my friendly ship made an impossible turn into my strike. I frantically smashed my abort key but it was a millisecond too late. Landed a spread on my ally, him/ her shielding the DD off perfectly, which I otherwise would have gotten for sure. He/ she (?) flooded out to death, taking me with him by reflection dmg. Got me double pink for 1 offense. Since then I never touched a CV ever again. I was and am still so sick of being punished twice for 1 offense. I take all the blame of TK-ing my friendly. Sure the situation was extraordinary but a TK is and will be my responsibility, even if I tried everything to abort the drop.  But the fact I was dubbed a double TK because I got killed as well by reflected damage.... It has lamed me for ever taking out a CV again. Actually a shame... Looking at my own stats, in the few CV matches I played I actually did very well statwise.

 

That one incident made my lose my self confidence in playing a CV. I know WG is looking into the matter. To be frank: I'll never touch a CV again until there is an "emergency abort" function available. AKA: let the planes drop their payloads harmlessly for everyone, return to the carrier and try again next time.

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3 hours ago, Dampfboot said:

WG, please fix the TVIII matchmaking. It is unplayable. 70% of the time is low tier fighting against ships with twice the firepower.

 

You are also killing your own cash cow. TVIII premium ships are the most expensive. Given the fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking you have to either make TVIII premiums seriously overpowered or nobody will buy them. In the first case people will leave because of blatant pay to win, in the latter case you can kiss your money goodbye. In either case people will spend more time with their familytm. Here is just one example of your fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking:

 

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Bad and frustrating match making is part og Wargaming's business model with the intended design to intice the players to spend money on premium time, dubloons and premium ships so they can grind through to tier 10 much faster than normally while spending far less time suffering horrible match making and bad team members.

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Eh see it as challenge, being first place with a TVIII in  a TX battle usually gives lots of karma.

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"Almost 50%" of TVIII is with TX??? :cap_wander:

 

In my experience it's way higher than that. I don't care all that much, but be reasonable WG. Also, Gascogne is not suited to being bottom tier at all :(

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What is there to fix ? Dont like it ? git gud or play tier 4.

 

But maybe if you cant play tier 8 ship in t10 MM you dont have what it takes to get gud. :Smile_hiding:

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15 hours ago, Dampfboot said:

WG, please fix the TVIII matchmaking. It is unplayable. 70% of the time is low tier fighting against ships with twice the firepower.

 

You are also killing your own cash cow. TVIII premium ships are the most expensive. Given the fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking you have to either make TVIII premiums seriously overpowered or nobody will buy them. In the first case people will leave because of blatant pay to win, in the latter case you can kiss your money goodbye. In either case people will spend more time with their familytm. Here is just one example of your fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking:

 

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Worldwide t8 ships actually are top tier more than 50%

On EU server they are in a much tougher spot - still, even here they are top tier around 1/3 of the time (34%, to be precise - if I remember the exact number correctly). T8s do face t10s more often than t9s though, so they are at a slight disadvantage there (more often ending up as bottom tier than as middle tier).

 

Oh, and as for WG killing the cash cow that t8s are - t8 is the most played tier in the game. All these threads whining about t8 MM? They're here not because the situation is so bad that people are leaving t8 in droves. We keep seeing these threads not because t8 is losing popularity but rather precisely because it's so tremendously popular. People keep playing t8 and that's why they care about the fact that the tier is at a slight MM disadvantage (which, of course, grows in their eyes out of proportion - confirmation bias works like that for pretty much everyone, even if you consciously try to avoid it - and most people don't put in that effort).

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Actual number WG shared is 40% bottom tier games for tier VIII on the EU server.

 

But I'd be willing to bet that number is actually not representative for all ship classes and probably lower for BBs and DDs, but higher for CA/CLs and CVs.

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53 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Actual number WG shared is 43% bottom tier games for tier VIII on the EU server.

 

But I'd be willing to bet that number is actually not representative for all ship classes and probably lower for BBs and DDs, but higher for CA/CLs and CVs.

Dunno, constant t10 games was one of reasons why I skipped Monarch, NC grind was really annoying bcuz of all the t10 games, and my Amagi gets top tier so rarely that it's basically a celebration each time - feels almost like Christmas came early :Smile_teethhappy: If I remember correctly my longest "t8 in t10 game spree" was something like 32 or 34 games in a row :Smile_teethhappy:

 

But then again - I'm sure somewhere out there is some "moron" who's like "I don't know what you're talking about, I'm top tier literally every time". I hate that guy :cap_viking:

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It had been nice if they could do something about the MM. Especially for cruisers, that are outgunned, outrun, outspotted, and... you fill in a word if you like.

Of corse you can be number one in a tier 10 round with a tier 8 cruiser, but in a BB dominated game, you need to be very lucky as well as having a decent team to succeed.

I guess thats why so many bad players tend to play camp in tier 10 BB, they grinded one line or fast xp or whatever to harvest kills on lower tiers, lol. Game would be ruined for them is MM was fair.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Aotearas said:

Actual number WG shared is 43% bottom tier games for tier VIII on the EU server.

 

But I'd be willing to bet that number is actually not representative for all ship classes and probably lower for BBs and DDs, but higher for CA/CLs and CVs.

I am pretty sure that was for all servers and was later clarified in a post that it is in fact higher for the EU server, although I do not recall by how much. 

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I believe what i see with my own eyes.  when i pick a tier 8 ship, i often go against higher tier ships than any other tier  That's all i need to know.

 

Not like i'm bothered as you just adapt to be honest, but tier 8 is the worst MM in this game.

 

Do i need someone throwing invisible stats at me saying that i'm wrong? No. Don't always take things at face value.   I know because i've witnessed it more than other tiers.  

 

For the record,  I seem to get more tier 10 ships when i'm in a tier 8 CV (Enterprise) then if i choice a tier 8 BB for some reason.  

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Well, on the positive side tho iot doesn't only happen to tier 8's anymore. To make a change from my usual Mogami grind I decided to break in my Algerie last week (due to the Frenchie Campaing tasks) and ended up in quite a surprising number of tier 9 games... Fun and engaging! :cap_like::cap_haloween:

 

It didn't always go horribly wrong tho, so not complaining here. :Smile_Default:

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2 hours ago, Wildf1re said:

I am pretty sure that was for all servers and was later clarified in a post that it is in fact higher for the EU server, although I do not recall by how much. 

 

Naw, the original figure given was that tier VIII ships get seeded into MM as toptiers 55% of the time. That was however a hilariously unfiltered statistic and a bit later they gave the specific stats for the EU server, which ended up tier VIII ships getting seeded as toptier only 34% of the time (and bottom, tier ~40% of the time, presumably because tier X is more popular on the EU server).

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4 hours ago, Aotearas said:

 

Naw, the original figure given was that tier VIII ships get seeded into MM as toptiers 55% of the time. That was however a hilariously unfiltered statistic and a bit later they gave the specific stats for the EU server, which ended up tier VIII ships getting seeded as toptier only 34% of the time (and bottom, tier ~40% of the time, presumably because tier X is more popular on the EU server).

Ah, okay, then I misread it at the time. Thx. Funny I did some paper and pen registration going through tier 8 in Pan A and US DD line.. around 70% tier X games. Granted not a representative number of battles - and not so big a deal in a DD - but did call for some exasperation at times...

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And here I am, actually having fun playing Charles Martel even in T10 heavy matches:Smile_hiding:

 

Though that might be tied to ship being exceptional. But then I somehow like Hipper, so I dunno, working as intended?

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12 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

But then again - I'm sure somewhere out there is some "moron" who's like "I don't know what you're talking about, I'm top tier literally every time". I hate that guy :cap_viking:

So you could hate me :Smile-_tongue:

In the past 2 months, I would say I have been in T6-T8 and T7-T9 matches when playing T8 myself approximately half of the time. It's not "top tier litterally every time" like you said, but seeing how people are complaining on the forum with one post about MM every day, I feel very lucky!!!

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CRUISERS !!!

I think Cruisers suffers the most in T8 MM. Not only Cruisers are probably worst class when bottom tier but also suffers from a worst T8 MM probably due to the lack of T8 Cruiser players willing to be: "just meat" 4 Montanas.
During my experience: when I am in BB at T8 the MM is fair, with DDs I would say not so bad, but when in cruiser oh boy is it rough! TX over and over and over again if you ask me I would say 75% of matches are TX
So to me T8 MM is unfair/unbalaced only 4 Cruisers.

 

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I haven't played a T10 game and only a handful of T9 games, but from what I was told the MM very rarely makes T10 only or T9-10 games. Couple this with WG promoting the T10's, and some players attitude of 'I got to T10, I must be good, I'm A WINNER!' meaning that there are going to be more T10's being played than T8's, T8's are going to fill out the MM as lower tier even more. This is something I'm going to have to expect and live with because I don't play cold war blueprint only ships, so I'll stop most lines at the last historical ship I like, T8 is often the goal and not a stepping stone for me. And for the record, I know it's only a small sample, but in my first 10 games in Richelieu I was top tier once, mid tier once and bottom tier 8 times

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On 3/11/2018 at 8:46 PM, Dampfboot said:

WG, please fix the TVIII matchmaking. It is unplayable. 70% of the time is low tier fighting against ships with twice the firepower.

 

You are also killing your own cash cow. TVIII premium ships are the most expensive. Given the fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking you have to either make TVIII premiums seriously overpowered or nobody will buy them. In the first case people will leave because of blatant pay to win, in the latter case you can kiss your money goodbye. In either case people will spend more time with their familytm. Here is just one example of your fun&engagingtm TVIII matchmaking:

 

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Nothing wrong. Working as intended. 

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