Collecting defeats day after day isn't motivating anymore to keep playing this game !

[Herbstnebel1975]

I started to play this game in september last year and as of the last updates it seems I'm participating in collecting defeats. This gives me a World of Tanks déjà vu but this time it's worse cause there isn't coming and end to it. The reason is not that I play bad cause most of the time I end up in the top 3 of my team but I notice that several players quit the game during the battle or go suicide. I wonder why I never end up in the winning team. Is it because I play the game for free and I'm being used as cannonfodder or ..... ? Please tell me.

 

Something has to change cause this isn't fun anymore. Maybe you can change the MM or reward the players that ending up in the top 3 of the losing team after 3 defeats in a row with extra golden doubloons, free XP or extra credits and maybe after 5 or more defeats IN A ROW with more extra's. Cause if you don't change anything on this you will lose players.

[ColonelPete]

If you lose, somebody else wins.

If you lose more, somebody else wins more.

[Excavatus]

7 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

 The reason is not that I play bad cause most of the time I end up in the top 3 of my team

 

I wonder why I never end up in the winning team

 

Is it because I play the game for free and I'm being used as cannonfodder or ..... ? Please tell me.

 

Something has to change cause this isn't fun anymore.

 

 

Maybe you can change the MM or reward the players that ending up in the top 3 of the losing team after 3 defeats in a row with extra golden doubloons, free XP or extra credits and maybe after 5 or more defeats IN A ROW with more extra's. Cause if you don't change anything on this you will lose players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I summarise you problem above.

Individual good performance doesnt mean you are playing good or aimed at the victory.

This is a team game and you can have the greatest stats and not a single contribution in the victory at the same time.

We all see that borderline HE spammers racking up damage but doing nothing towards to the victory (I am not saying you are playing bad)

I am just saying, It has been proven you are doing good enough for YOURSELF.. but ask yourself this question, are you doing good for your TEAM?

 

 

The question you asked, about never ending up in the winning team is the part of the fallacy you are concluding.

You are the part of the team. But you are thinking, you are winning but your team is losing.

No. You are the part of the defeat. Which brings us the above paragraph. You are the only unchanging constant in randomly composed teams.

Ask yourself. What are you doing against/towards to the victory.

 

For a CV for example, Are you sacrificing your fighters just to save critical capping team mate?

Are you using your fighters for spotting instead of protecting your attack squadrons,

Are you manually dropping your first torp and bomb loadout at the start just to see all the enemies at the start and give a planning advantage to your team?

and manage to do the same damage with one less squadron each?

 

I dont know about the CV gameplay so much. But these are the ideas I've watched from streams, videos etc.

 

and the last part..

It is just tinfoil..

Nothing changed.

Nothing rigged.

 

No one ever asks "Am I loosing one too many in the recent times, what am I doing wrong!"

or no one ever asks " I am winning more than ever, is MM rigged and favoring me? "

 

That is always the opposite..

[walter3kurtz]

You just had teams that crumbled really fast, refused to cap or were extremely bad. If you don't score ta least 1,000 XP on a loss you shouldn't post screenshots about your own performance relative to your teammates. It's useless.

 

You are new to the game. You can't expect to be carrying a solo 60% winrate. Especially in CV's it's easy to farm a few BB on low tier with no AA (like you are doing) and not contribute to the win at all. This gives you the wrong idea that you are doing well. What you need to be doing is (1) scouting early to give your team crucial information where to go (2) attacking DD's and keeping them spotted as long as possible and (3) farm damage last.

[philjd]

10 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

 

or no one ever asks " I am winning more than ever, is MM rigged and favoring me? "

 

Last night I played 9 games, in 7 of them I was a waste of space and played crap (seriously bad in 1 of them), and yet, MM gave me 6 wins, it's a conspiracy and MM was rigged so that I won, I wonder if it was because I joined the twitch prime promotion, so WG rewarded me with good teams.....

 

(Is that enough tin foil? but yes, I did play badly overall last night, mind set wasn't right).

 

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OP

We all have battles in which we think we played well, but was a loss in the end. There will be times where even if you play everything perfectly you will still lose because the rest of the team didn't play well enough to cope with the red team. But, usually, it is a case of 'what could I have done differently that would have enabled me to actually carry the team to victory'. We all suffer under the vanity of thinking that because we think we did well, we actually contributed to winning.

That is a problem that I am addressing myself as I am a good team player, but not so good at solo carrying even when I am driving a ship that is good enough to assist such a carry.

[Jethro_Grey]

40 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

I started to play this game in september last year and as of the last updates it seems I'm participating in collecting defeats. This gives me a World of Tanks déjà vu but this time it's worse cause there isn't coming and end to it. The reason is not that I play bad cause most of the time I end up in the top 3 of my team but I notice that several players quit the game during the battle or go suicide. I wonder why I never end up in the winning team. Is it because I play the game for free and I'm being used as cannonfodder or ..... ? Please tell me.

 

Something has to change cause this isn't fun anymore. Maybe you can change the MM or reward the players that ending up in the top 3 of the losing team after 3 defeats in a row with extra golden doubloons, free XP or extra credits and maybe after 5 or more defeats IN A ROW with more extra's. Cause if you don't change anything on this you will lose players.

 

As a CV it's imperative to not only do damage, but to keep your team mates alive, spot for them, keep DDs lit up.

You do not win on your own, you win by being a team player, so pls read the below post very very carefully.

 

Besides, you are a fairly new player and - i say this without mocking or malicious intent - not a good player going by your stats.

You'll improve over time, but you should consult the wiki and some of the youtubers like Flamuu, Farazaleth ( top 5 CV player WW), Femenenly which is also a CV main and both have tutorial vids on YT.

 

That being said, sometimes you just can't win regardless of how good you are as you'll end up with players who will find a way to throw a victory away.

Also, losing streaks are part of the game, even the best players have them.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

 

I summarise you problem above.

Individual good performance doesnt mean you are playing good or aimed at the victory.

This is a team game and you can have the greatest stats and not a single contribution in the victory at the same time.

We all see that borderline HE spammers racking up damage but doing nothing towards to the victory (I am not saying you are playing bad)

I am just saying, It has been proven you are doing good enough for YOURSELF.. but ask yourself this question, are you doing good for your TEAM?

 

 

The question you asked, about never ending up in the winning team is the part of the fallacy you are concluding.

You are the part of the team. But you are thinking, you are winning but your team is losing.

No. You are the part of the defeat. Which brings us the above paragraph. You are the only unchanging constant in randomly composed teams.

Ask yourself. What are you doing against/towards to the victory.

 

For a CV for example, Are you sacrificing your fighters just to save critical capping team mate?

Are you using your fighters for spotting instead of protecting your attack squadrons,

Are you manually dropping your first torp and bomb loadout at the start just to see all the enemies at the start and give a planning advantage to your team?

and manage to do the same damage with one less squadron each?

 

I dont know about the CV gameplay so much. But these are the ideas I've watched from streams, videos etc.

 

and the last part..

It is just tinfoil..

Nothing changed.

Nothing rigged.

 

No one ever asks "Am I loosing one too many in the recent times, what am I doing wrong!"

or no one ever asks " I am winning more than ever, is MM rigged and favoring me? "

 

That is always the opposite..

 

[Excavatus]

7 minutes ago, philjd said:

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OP

We all have battles in which we think we played well, but was a loss in the end. There will be times where even if you play everything perfectly you will still lose because the rest of the team didn't play well enough to cope with the red team. But, usually, it is a case of 'what could I have done differently that would have enabled me to actually carry the team to victory'. We all suffer under the vanity of thinking that because we think we did well, we actually contributed to winning.

That is a problem that I am addressing myself as I am a good team player, but not so good at solo carrying even when I am driving a ship that is good enough to assist such a carry.

 

Dear OP,

I am completely agree with the above statement

and in addition to that,

 

The best player in WOT has around %80ish WR

I watched his games and watched him carry 14 potatoes to the victory.

I was in awe.. ! He made my chin drop.

The things he did seemed so easy.. but I've never could think and made those decisions at the exact spot as he did.

 

So, even If you do everything perfectly, (ın your own / and your ships capacity) you will lose some games. and trust me there were much more losses than 2 in every 10.

Believe me, you cant carry them all :)

Even the best cant carry them all :)

 

This is all about decision making.

The best and most important skill in WG games are the decision making. Nothing else.

And none of us are that good to make decisions..

Mostly in under duress..

 

IMO, professional F1 drivers would be superuber unicums If they play this game in their prime time.. :)

 

[_DeathWing_]

@Herbstnebel1975 I think you can't blame your team for the losses. 

[Oppressor_]

48 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

 The reason is not that I play bad cause most of the time I end up in the top 3 of my team but I notice that several players quit the game during the battle or go suicide. I wonder why I never end up in the winning team. Is it because I play the game for free and I'm being used as cannonfodder or ..... ? Please tell me.

That is quite bold to announce that "I do not play bad" while owning a proud win rate of 47%. You are still deeply in your learning - apprentice phase. I was a potato too in my lets say first 3k battles.

 

Not insulting you, but one always has to watch at himself first. Some advices:

If you want to stick to CVs, watch some eduacational videos and try to change your tactics.

Maybe try out the other classes, as they might fit your style better.

 

And the most important thing: try to get into divisions with experienced players. This is a team game, solo masochism helps you nothing. 

[Oppressor_]

9 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

The best and most important skill in WG games are the decision making. Nothing else.

And none of us are that good to make decisions..

That!

Actually decision making depends on situational awareness.

That is the most important thing. It is not always simple to decide when to snipe, push, risk, cap or suicide.

It is much more harder than to farm dmg, steal some kills and survive the battle on full hp. That can yield you decent PR but lower WR.

Primo Victoria!

[Sargento_YO]

Dude, if you suck isn't WG's fault.
Yeah, sometimes I end in teams which are so noob that I can't outweight them even in my Zuiho. But I wouldn't never ask for skilled mm or weird things like that.

[bushwacker001]

CVs are the one ship class that can be the most influential on getting your team a win......if they know what they are doing. TBH it's not often I come across a good CV player and most I see are either not very good or just play for themselves to the detriment of the team.

Example of a few just from last night....sending all their planes around the map trying to bump off the enemy carrier and losing the whole damn lot. Another battle and while playing a DD, twice I had torps heading into an enemy BB (within 2k) for a definite kill and the torp bombers coming in and also dropping torps to hit just before mine hit the wreck. A wasted drop when there are other targets. Always the same in 9 out of 10 battles....NOT SPOTTING FOR THE TEAM,  (my biggest complaint) It's not hard to find a capping DD and sit planes over him until the rest of the team take him down.

So it's all very well boasting you mostly finish in the top 3 (I have trouble believing this) but do you play for the team and the victory or totally concentrate on getting your damage stats up and contributing to the loss ? 

[22cm]

I dont know if it sounds crazy or not, but I feel like the MM is foching me up more after I passed 10 k battles. It seems as if the system is thinking I researched all the lines I wanted, bought all the premium ships I wanted, I m not a top client anymore.

Sounds crazy, eh? Anyone else?

[albinbino]

You must progress to higher tiers where most people know what they are doing. 

[Herbstnebel1975]

How come that the most players have a general winrate of around 50% ??? If battles are realy RANDOM how can this happen ?  In WOT it tried with a second account to get a general winrate below 35% but I did not succeed to manage it, it was even harder then to reach a winrate of more then 50%. The MM was putting me after a while in teams with good players. Even sabotage the team or go suicide from the start did not help.

 

That and some more other reasons made me to deinstall the game from my harddrive.

 

WoWs is (or was) better untill the last 2 patches. Something has changed.

 

And I agree I'm not a good player and I can give it a try to improve but if not....I'm afraid this game will be deinstalled soon just like WoT  cause it feels more like a waste of time and lots of frustration and lack of fun.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

36 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

 

Dear OP,

I am completely agree with the above statement

and in addition to that,

 

The best player in WOT has around %80ish WR

I watched his games and watched him carry 14 potatoes to the victory.

I was in awe.. ! He made my chin drop.

The things he did seemed so easy.. but I've never could think and made those decisions at the exact spot as he did.

 

So, even If you do everything perfectly, (ın your own / and your ships capacity) you will lose some games. and trust me there were much more losses than 2 in every 10.

Believe me, you cant carry them all :)

Even the best cant carry them all :)

 

This is all about decision making.

The best and most important skill in WG games are the decision making. Nothing else.

And none of us are that good to make decisions..

Mostly in under duress..

 

IMO, professional F1 drivers would be superuber unicums If they play this game in their prime time.. :)

 

Dont get me wrong , wot is not a wows , here maps more huge , not count ship hp* , also with some modes like domination, if u lose by points and cant kill last , even u s uni , easy u can lose^^

[Oppressor_]

3 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

  In WOT it tried with a second account to get a general winrate below 35% but I did not succeed to manage it, 

 

A....I'm afraid this game will be deinstalled soon just like WoT 

Now I got concerned...

[bushwacker001]

4 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

How come that the most players have a general winrate of around 50% ??? If battles are realy RANDOM how can this happen ?  In WOT it tried with a second account to get a general winrate below 35% but I did not succeed to manage it, it was even harder then to reach a winrate of more then 50%. The MM was putting me after a while in teams with good players. Even sabotage the team or go suicide from the start did not help.

 

Ah, so you are actually a complete tool then? I wasted time on this thread.

[Jethro_Grey]

3 minutes ago, albinbino said:

You must progress to higher tiers where most people know what they are doing. 

 

 

+1, made me laugh.

3 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

How come that the most players have a general winrate of around 50% ??? If battles are realy RANDOM how can this happen ?  In WOT it tried with a second account to get a general winrate below 35% but I did not succeed to manage it, it was even harder then to reach a winrate of more then 50%. The MM was putting me after a while in teams with good players. Even sabotage the team or go suicide from the start did not help.

 

That and some more other reasons made me to deinstall the game from my harddrive.

 

WoWs is (or was) better untill the last 2 patches. Something has changed.

 

And I agree I'm not a good player and I can give it a try to improve but if not....I'm afraid this game will be deinstalled soon just like WoT  cause it feels more like a waste of time and lots of frustration and lack of fun.

 

Nothing has changed, except maybe you and or your perception.

 

 

[Oppressor_]

2 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

 

+1, made me laugh.

 

Care! He might have baited you! :D

[wilkatis_LV]

14 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

How come that the most players have a general winrate of around 50% ???

Because when someone wins, someone else loses. Equal numbers of players on both sides - average for the game is always 50%. And over large enough number of games your "bad teams" and "good teams" balance each other out, leaving only your "average teams" together with your own performance.

 

And yes, draws would drag that below 50%, but they are so rare these days that you can just generally ignore them. In fact, since you started playing only in last September - I'd take a safe bet that you actually have had 0 draws.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

7 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Because when someone wins, someone else loses. Equal numbers of players on both sides - average for the game is always 50%. And over large enough number of games your "bad teams" and "good teams" balance each other out, leaving only your "average teams" together with your own performance.

 

And yes, draws would drag that below 50%, but they are so rare these days that you can just generally ignore them. In fact, since you started playing only in last September - I'd take a safe bet that you actually have had 0 draws.

Exactly!

Plus, 50% of players will be above average (either by a tiny little bit or a lot), and 50% below average (either by a tiny little bit or a lot).

 

The only exception to this distribution of course is children. All the (Grand-)parents that I meet proudly tell me that their children are "above average".

[ColonelPete]

37 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

How come that the most players have a general winrate of around 50% ??? If battles are realy RANDOM how can this happen ?  In WOT it tried with a second account to get a general winrate below 35% but I did not succeed to manage it, it was even harder then to reach a winrate of more then 50%. The MM was putting me after a while in teams with good players. Even sabotage the team or go suicide from the start did not help.

 

That and some more other reasons made me to deinstall the game from my harddrive.

 

WoWs is (or was) better untill the last 2 patches. Something has changed.

 

And I agree I'm not a good player and I can give it a try to improve but if not....I'm afraid this game will be deinstalled soon just like WoT  cause it feels more like a waste of time and lots of frustration and lack of fun.

Better deinstall. People like you who sabotage their teams on purpose are not healthy for the game.

[Azalgor]

39 minutes ago, albinbino said:

You must progress to higher tiers where most people know what they are doing. 

Good joke.

[Armorin]

59 minutes ago, 22cm said:

I dont know if it sounds crazy or not, but I feel like the MM is foching me up more after I passed 10 k battles. It seems as if the system is thinking I researched all the lines I wanted, bought all the premium ships I wanted, I m not a top client anymore.

Sounds crazy, eh? Anyone else?

 Yep. Recently I'm always on a bad run, punctuated by a few short good runs. Doesn't matter what ship or tier I play. It's completely depressing me and making me wonder why I bother playing the game. Maybe it will stop when my overall win rate has been equalised. Whether I play well or not doesn't seem to make a difference.

And when you look at the overall behaviour of each team, it is easy to see why the team has won. The winning team will push up on mass and support their DD's. The losing team is always sailing several lines behind the caps.

Perhaps divisions of unicum players don't feel this so badly, as they can have a large influence on the battle. But I'm thoroughly convinced the MM is rigged as hell, putting players into win mode or lose mode. It's the length of these losing streaks which is so depressing.