BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #1 Posted March 5, 2018 Yeah don't even rework it, just remove files for this ship from all servers. In short I was playing SINGLE game against asashio , he landed only one torp on me - since i did predict he will be camping bbs obviously. But that didnt stop him from 24/7 torping me and forcing me to hug island with 4 other bbs UNABLE to support my team. And hey it was not mistake as torps were passing near island 24/7. And you know what - we were lucky enough to fight on map with tons of islands and plenty of them. And those words come from someone that loves to push in and play aggressive in BB. Be proud WG you just forced me to be camper, had no idea i have it in myself. Generally speaking this will make current long range meta even worse as many youtubers mentioned, but now that I have seen it myself ... On top of that enemy team members actually agreed that this ship should never be in this game. I have 0 counterplay and it's even worse than Pan Asia cancer. I'm not BB main i actually main cruisers, so i should be happy since it cannot hit cruiser right ? Well not since i like to play dds and bbs too !! Ah last but not least t10bb i love most is Grosser Kurfurst ... and yes it's 2ndary build , since my Montana/Yamato etc are already concelament don't need 1 more. I love Kurfurst but ... how the hell i'm supposed to push against 16 deep water torps with 20km range ? Sonar won't be up 24/7 ... YES IT IS RANT. Ah of course Asashio topped scoreboard. Must be skilled player ... Edit : Ah in the end i got tired of camping (i hate it) so the first moment i led charge targeted by 6 and INSTANTLY torped by one of dds for not kissing the island. WAY TO GO. 2 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VAR] Ulvesnutepostei Players 636 posts 8,871 battles Report post #2 Posted March 5, 2018 What is the detection range of these torps? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #3 Posted March 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Ulvesnutepostei said: What is the detection range of these torps? 0.7 or 0.9. Anyway i spotted them around 0.5 sec before they hit me. But maybe i had 1 second ... wouldn't make difference tbh. Glad i was nose in so took only 1. Btw i didn't die to asashio, but he ruined that game for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PapVogele Beta Tester 290 posts 3,590 battles Report post #4 Posted March 5, 2018 So a DD does what any other DD can do and its a problem? I can easily lock down a flank with my gearing, kidd etc... why is it bad when a new premium does it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #5 Posted March 5, 2018 Sounds like really bad BB play... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #6 Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/5/2018 at 5:47 PM, PapVogele said: So a DD does what any other DD can do and its a problem? I can easily lock down a flank with my gearing, kidd etc... why is it bad when a new premium does it? Range and low detection make it impossible for my team mates to spot those torps for me , or by planes - and your or shima torps would get spotted. I though you would get such obvious reason by yourself mate please ... On 3/5/2018 at 5:49 PM, ColonelPete said: Sounds like really bad BB play... Heard statbashing is bad, but i'm way better at any class than you , BB included - just checked ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #7 Posted March 5, 2018 If you can't win 'em join 'em. I'll do that for sure cuz WG won't do anything against this malevolence. 0.7 to 0.9 spotting yep, GG WG. Another nice move and good (nerf?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #8 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, _DeathWing_ said: If you can't win 'em join 'em. I'll do that for sure cuz WG won't do anything against this malevolence. So every time they release 50€ premium that is borken i should buy it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PapVogele Beta Tester 290 posts 3,590 battles Report post #9 Posted March 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said: Range and low detection make it impossible for my team mates to spot those torps for me , or by planes - and your or shima torps would get spotted. I though you would get such obvious reason by yourself mate please ... Spotted or not, torps can and will lock you down. The only problem I see with the Asashio is that it cant hit cruisers with its torps... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #10 Posted March 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said: ...asashio... ...Generally speaking this will make current long range meta even worse... Mostly likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #11 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, BarthalomewKuma said: So every time they release 50€ premium that is borken i should buy it? Won't be 50 quid I think she will be around 40 quid defo. However I gave you a suggestion not as a must. I'm BB mainly and I know what are you talking about as I played back when shima had 20 km torps 16 km with boost skill but this torps with such range and stealth is a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #12 Posted March 5, 2018 Played a game a few weeks back with a test Asashio on the red side, to say that it was absurdly easy to shut down would be a huge understatement. It was spotted once while it tried to contest a cap, landed torps on one Tirpitz (two torps I think) and then it spent the rest of the time running away, it didn't die, but it did exactly sod all. Awful guns and torpedoes that can't hit DD's or cruisers so it couldn't contest caps and with a little teamplay (yes shock horror) it was easy to keep it from being able to torp effectively, spotted several salvoes of torps so the BB's had time to dodge easily. It's junk and it's not even been released yet. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #13 Posted March 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, PapVogele said: Spotted or not, torps can and will lock you down. The only problem I see with the Asashio is that it cant hit cruisers with its torps... I don't feel like shima can really lock me down her torps are spotted from miles and she got MASSIVE reload on those tubes. Now I don't know if asashio used reload or not ... i don't have idea and i don't want to check with my torpedo belt. Same goes for all except Pan Asia. Problem is Asashio is tremendously stronger than Hsienyang (which im grinding now) in deep water torping. And Hsien already got quiet ... invisible torps at least they are slow and don't hit hard. Also Shima torps only got 12km range (lets not speak about 20km 2,5km spotting range) - so she can't torp me across the map. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOBS2] PassTheSalt Beta Tester 519 posts 24,080 battles Report post #14 Posted March 5, 2018 Cut the torps to 10 km, at least then the Asshatio would have to be aggressive 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #15 Posted March 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said: Played a game a few weeks back with a test Asashio on the red side, to say that it was absurdly easy to shut down would be a huge understatement. It was spotted once while it tried to contest a cap, landed torps on one Tirpitz (two torps I think) and then it spent the rest of the time running away, it didn't die, but it did exactly sod all. Awful guns and torpedoes that can't hit DD's or cruisers so it couldn't contest caps and with a little teamplay (yes shock horror) it was easy to keep it from being able to torp effectively, spotted several salvoes of torps so the BB's had time to dodge easily. It's junk and it's not even been released yet. Outdated info recent release improved asashio guns to point where she can easily knife fight with tier equivalents. But can't blame you since outdated info could mislead you. And yes im terrified by little teamplay - don't forget we play random battles there ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #16 Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said: Outdated info recent release improved asashio guns to point where she can easily knife fight with tier equivalents. But can't blame you since outdated info could mislead you. And yes im terrified by little teamplay - don't forget we play random battles there ... Ok, so it's now got guns roughly equal to the Kagero, which has got lousy guns and can't hold its own in a gunfight vs anything of equal or higher tier. It still represents no risk to DD's or Cruisers so still easy to shut down. The DW torpedoes are not something to make the already cowardly BB's from sniping at max range, that's already embedded into BB player mindsets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DSF] Arakus Beta Tester 1,541 posts 7,511 battles Report post #17 Posted March 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said: 0.7 or 0.9. Anyway i spotted them around 0.5 sec before they hit me. But maybe i had 1 second ... wouldn't make difference tbh. Glad i was nose in so took only 1. Btw i didn't die to asashio, but he ruined that game for me. Because you are behind an island! This island block sight, also on incoming torps! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #18 Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/5/2018 at 6:15 PM, BeauNidl3 said: Ok, so it's now got guns roughly equal to the Kagero, which has got lousy guns and can't hold its own in a gunfight vs anything of equal or higher tier. It still represents no risk to DD's or Cruisers so still easy to shut down. The DW torpedoes are not something to make the already cowardly BB's from sniping at max range, that's already embedded into BB player mindsets. I would agree, but sadly being in front leading charge lies too deep in my nature, so even when i play BBs especially my scharnhorst i cant stop deep urge to go all full and fight at point blank range with 2ndaries and torps. And i'm not only one and this ship and pan asia punishes me too hard for simple fact i like close range brawls. Hell i'm always drooling any time hurricane hits :D 8km spotting is best spotting !! On 3/5/2018 at 6:17 PM, Arakus said: Because you are behind an island! This island block sight, also on incoming torps! No i was not, since I ate torp then i reversed to island (remember asashio got torp reload and i repaired flooding just now ...) please think before you post. Before that I was in front leading charge ... Or maybe you can tell me how to eat torp if island is between you and dd ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #19 Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said: easily knife fight with tier equivalents By watching Flamu's last video about her I think she still can't go against most of her same tier DDs (except Kagero, maybe). Even some tier VIIs should kill her in 1v1 knife fight. However with good support she has a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #20 Posted March 5, 2018 I'm torn.... On one hand, like AP bomb, I think that DW torps are stupid. Very much so. On the other, one single ship with rather long reload making 5 players (read: 5 BBs) camp all game? Sounds like an easy scapegoat. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #21 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, _DeathWing_ said: By watching Flamu's last video about her I think she still can't go against most of her same tier DDs (except Kagero, maybe). Even some tier VIIs should kill her in 1v1 knife fight. However with good support she has a chance. Ok she ain't close range powerhouse, but can actually put pressure on other dd , don't forget spotting range she got ... so she get help from friendlies due to "outspotting" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agantas Players 1,059 posts 7,793 battles Report post #22 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, _DeathWing_ said: By watching Flamu's last video about her I think she still can't go against most of her same tier DDs (except Kagero, maybe). Even some tier VIIs should kill her in 1v1 knife fight. However with good support she has a chance. People weren't really shooting at Flamu's Asashio as much as they should have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #23 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, _DeathWing_ said: By watching Flamu's last video about her I think she still can't go against most of her same tier DDs (except Kagero, maybe). Even some tier VIIs should kill her in 1v1 knife fight. However with good support she has a chance. Now you're daydreaming! Since when can DD's expect support? Most of the time the support that started that way has turned tail and run away when it's needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarthalomewKuma Players 132 posts 10,300 battles Report post #24 Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/5/2018 at 6:20 PM, Exocet6951 said: I'm torn.... On one hand, like AP bomb, I think that DW torps are stupid. Very much so. On the other, one single ship with rather long reload making 5 players (read: 5 BBs) camp all game? Sounds like an easy scapegoat. This ship particulary yes can, if she didnt have reload I would charge first moment after I saw her torps... but then there is reload. And if you had flooding from first salvo ... then we both know even most aggressive player must suck island till damage control. On 3/5/2018 at 6:21 PM, BeauNidl3 said: Now you're daydreaming! Since when can DD's expect support? Most of the time the support that started that way has turned tail and run away when it's needed. Nah she can get support since she will outspot everyone except kagero/harekaze and sometimes someone ... will shoot dds (i do). Even Radars are not reliable tool against Asashio as it can easily torp outside of that range. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #25 Posted March 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Agantas said: People weren't really shooting at Flamu's Asashio as much as they should have. Maybe they don't know about his new username 3 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said: Now you're daydreaming! Since when can DD's expect support? Most of the time the support that started that way has turned tail and run away when it's needed. Everyone has right to dream lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
