2 day old Newbie.. what am i doing wrong??

[Sark74]

Hey everyone.. 

 

 I started playing Yesterday, and i love the game, really enjoyed it at the start, As a British player, i started with the British ships. Working my way through the Cruisers and a Battleship, recently upgraded my latest cruiser to the Emerald i think its called, but my survival rate has dropped heavily to Zero, I haven't survived a match in a very long time now. I choose to go out around the small islands or attack the zones long range and provide cover to the destroyers etc. But I'm now literally getting sunk but the first shots.. people's accuracy is insanely good that my last match i didn't even get a shot/Torpedo off.. and i was done.. from 10.0km+ .. I change course and speed but that makes no difference, Screenshot 2 i see people with AMAZING skills of accuracy .. i must be a bad player as i cant compete with these people/teams 

 

I'm doing something wrong as 2 level boats ago (Caledon) i was was getting roughly 1-3 kills per game. The occasional 0 game, But i cant survive 1 minute now. I'm never stationary, always moving and trying to evade, turning hard to set up Torpedo fires, So any handy tips would be good, Have i got a bad ship?  Bad Tactics? I must be doing something wrong.. plz help as is no fun at the moment.. :( 

[ColonelPete]

Emerald is a hard ship.

Stay back at first and wait until you know where all the enemies are, especially the battleships. Try to stay away from them.

Now choose a course towards the enemy that gives you cover from enemy battleships.

Focus enemy Destroyer and Cruiser. If you do not have cover, use smoke, shoot from there. 

Be careful with enemy Destroyers around, they like to torp into smoke.

[Sark74]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

Emerald is a hard ship.

 

Thanks for the quick Reply :) Should i change Nation's? or Drop back down to Caledon? because at the moment, i am really struggling, like getting crushed but a single Battleship round from 10k.. Its like i have a huge target over my ship at the moment.. =/ 

 

[ColonelPete]

Leander, the ship after Emerald, is really great.

Unfortunately Tier VI is hard for an inexperienced player.

You chose a line which is very demanding at the beginning and is not well suited to learn the game (only AP shells, no HE).

 

Maybe play a bit with the US cruiser line?

[_Ezio_]

25 minutes ago, Sark74 said:

Thanks for the quick Reply :) Should i change Nation's? or Drop back down to Caledon? because at the moment, i am really struggling, like getting crushed but a single Battleship round from 10k.. Its like i have a huge target over my ship at the moment.. =/ 

 

The british cruiser line is hard to play as a first line, the british BB's however are pretty easy to play though not representative for BB gameplay, as they rely on HE while other BB's should only use HE in special circumstances.

If you want to change your line to one that is a bit easier I recomend you try the Japanese cruisers. Just as the britsih they rely on stealth but they use mainly HE, which is more forgiving untill you learn where and how to use AP properly. You can also learn how to use torpedos, even though I recommend you don't force to use them past T6, as "distance is your friend" should be your first rule in almost any cruiser. The US T6 cruiser the Cleveland is also a ship suitable to learn how to play the british cruisers, as she also utilises islands to stay and fire undetected.

If you want to carry on with your british cruiser grind, you should learn how to utilise your smokescreen consumable, as well as islands as cover. While supporting the DD's in the caps is very noble and a good trait to have you should not force it. If you keep dieing without achieving anything you are no help to your team, so stay back and utilise cover, such as islands and your smoke - can't be told enough.

I'd say try a feew co-op matches until you get the hang of how to shoot undetected (hint: no enemie, you can shoot at, should have a line of sight on you - ships outside your maximum firingrange can not spot you untill they enter firingrange) and once you manage an avg of say 40k avg dmg - in player vs player -  with maybe a kill or half a kill in it per match you should be fine to carry on with the line. The T6  is a beast even though the MM can be punishing. The t7 is a monster in the right hands and has decent Matchmaking on top of that. The T8 is also an enjoyable grind but the T9 is just awfull for most, so come prepared. But in the end it should be worth it, as the T10 Minotaur is once again a beast.

If you need more tips try to consould some youtubers, such as Flamu and other CC's. Some show you the gameplay from which you can learn, others show you how to spec your Captain  - which is equally important.

And lastly: Try and utilise islands as covers as much as possible. A cruiser, especially the british, take massive damage when they get hit by BB's. Minimising your profile (going "bow-on") can help to avert massive damage and being deleated in a single salvo.

[ThePopesHolyFinger]

2 days, 83 games, tier 5.
Tier 5. That's what you're doing wrong.

 

If you jumped from nation to nation and DD to CA to BB, that's what you're doing wrong.
If you didn't jump from nation to nation and DD to CA to BB, that's what you're doing wrong.

 

Go back to a ship type you like and play that ship type from every nation. Learn what each nation specialises in and learn how other ship types react and play.

 

Sorry to be blunt but tier 5 will not be your friendly place for several hundreds of games.

 

Go have fun at lower tiers.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

Emerald such a bad ship + from friday starts mongoloid players and teams , so u did take also bad time ti start play :P

[Oppressor_]

7 hours ago, Sark74 said:

Hey everyone.. 

 

 I started playing Yesterday, and i love the game, really enjoyed it at the start, As a British player, i started with the British ships. Working my way through the Cruisers and a Battleship, recently upgraded my latest cruiser to the Emerald i think its called, but my survival rate has dropped heavily to Zero, I haven't survived a match in a very long time now. I choose to go out around the small islands or attack the zones long range and provide cover to the destroyers etc. But I'm now literally getting sunk but the first shots.. people's accuracy is insanely good that my last match i didn't even get a shot/Torpedo off.. and i was done.. from 10.0km+ .. I change course and speed but that makes no difference, Screenshot 2 i see people with AMAZING skills of accuracy .. i must be a bad player as i cant compete with these people/teams 

 

I'm doing something wrong as 2 level boats ago (Caledon) i was was getting roughly 1-3 kills per game. The occasional 0 game, But i cant survive 1 minute now. I'm never stationary, always moving and trying to evade, turning hard to set up Torpedo fires, So any handy tips would be good, Have i got a bad ship?  Bad Tactics? I must be doing something wrong.. plz help as is no fun at the moment.. :( 

 

All that is normal for a new player. Besides that you picked one of the hardest playing branches (UK CL) with a special tactics requirement. And as it is not enough Emerald is garbage in particular. :)

 

It could also help to get used to the new game meta (t4+) to start new nation branches up to tier 4, as it is still protected by MM. Battleships are the easiest and most forgiving to play to play. 

Do not rush upwards to get tier 10 as fast as possible.

Try to play as many battles in t4- as possible to get hold on things. I would say 500-1000 battles in low tier could help you great.

 

Also watch youtube streams how to play your current ship.

[von_chom]

watch videos on youtube, tons of those over there, try to learn a trick or two

stick to tiers 1-4 , they have limited matchmaking, that means you can meet ships only one tier higher than you, later up to two tier higher ( starting with tier 5)

after you start doing ok, and you end up regularly near the middle of the table, go higher

 

good luck !

and if you have a question, visit forum and drop a question here in QA newbie section

and of course, try to find a mate or a clan to play with

[Wildf1re]

I have played the UK line to level 9 so far and have enyojed it all the way. As said in other posts it's a hard line to play as you get higher. But don't get descouraged. That said, the best advice from my point of view (also mentioned in another post here) is to stay at tier 4 for a good while. Have fun there and  take your time before jumping to tier 5 and higher. The gameplay really changes from 5 and up and the margin for getting insta deleted get smaller and smaller unless you know the ins and out and tactical options of your ship. And play around with other lines and ship types so you learn how to counter them.

[Marlekin]

8 hours ago, Sark74 said:

Thanks for the quick Reply :) Should i change Nation's? 

 

Maybe, if the struggle you mentioned is too much. Games are still meant to be fun, after all. While the British cruiser line will probably have the most to teach you about mechanics involving detection and stealth, its also the most unforgiving line of cruisers. 

 

Cruisers as a class can be quite squishy when the enemy team is allowed to take shots at your broadside. This is due to the citadel area that runs along the lower part of the sides on your ship (typically from front turret to back turret). If AP of HE ammo penetrates this area, the shells will deal full damage. This is how full health cruisers can be blown away by one good salvo. British cruisers especially tend to carry very light protection so any mistakes you make will be all the more painfull. Especially on the Emerald, a mediocre tier 5 cruiser at best, you will enter a tier that can meet enemies two tiers higher on the battlefield. All these things compound the troublesome ship the Emerald already is. British cruiser are not an easy line to start with as a new player, as you need to be very aware of detection ranges, being detected by consumables, and on which targets your AP will be effective. 

[wilkatis_LV]

@Sark74 First thing you should keep in mind is that up to and including tier 4 you played in "newbie protection" matchmaking - no experienced players, empty slots filled up with bots... Either at late tier 4 (if you reached account level 11) or when you got to tier 5 you suddenly went into normal MM queues - those where you can meet any player including professional sealclubbers.

 

That being said - RN CLs are the most skill-intensive line that's not a CV. It's really not recommended for a newbie.

 

Another thing is - don't rush. All that will happen is you will run into people who have played thousands of games, who know how the games mechanics work and so on - and you will get absolutely wrecked game after game after game. Stay at lower tiers, learn the basics. Try out a few different lines, see how it is to play BBs, DDs and CAs / CLs (and CVs if you want to try that). Don't be in any rush to get your first tier 10 asap, they will all be there whenever you're up to the task of fighting more experienced players 

[Sark74]

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Leander, the ship after Emerald, is really great.

Unfortunately Tier VI is hard for an inexperienced player.

You chose a line which is very demanding at the beginning and is not well suited to learn the game (only AP shells, no HE).

 

Maybe play a bit with the US cruiser line?

That will teach me for trying to be patriotic lol :D 

 

I'll try the U.S line of Cruisers like you suggest and see how i get on... 

 

Cheers ColonelPete

 

[Sark74]

8 hours ago, _Ezio_ said:

The british cruiser line is hard to play as a first line, the british BB's however are pretty easy to play though not representative for BB gameplay, as they rely on HE while other BB's should only use HE in special circumstances.

If you want to change your line to one that is a bit easier I recomend you try the Japanese cruisers. Just as the britsih they rely on stealth but they use mainly HE, which is more forgiving untill you learn where and how to use AP properly. You can also learn how to use torpedos, even though I recommend you don't force to use them past T6, as "distance is your friend" should be your first rule in almost any cruiser. The US T6 cruiser the Cleveland is also a ship suitable to learn how to play the british cruisers, as she also utilises islands to stay and fire undetected.

If you want to carry on with your british cruiser grind, you should learn how to utilise your smokescreen consumable, as well as islands as cover. While supporting the DD's in the caps is very noble and a good trait to have you should not force it. If you keep dieing without achieving anything you are no help to your team, so stay back and utilise cover, such as islands and your smoke - can't be told enough.

I'd say try a feew co-op matches until you get the hang of how to shoot undetected (hint: no enemie, you can shoot at, should have a line of sight on you - ships outside your maximum firingrange can not spot you untill they enter firingrange) and once you manage an avg of say 40k avg dmg - in player vs player -  with maybe a kill or half a kill in it per match you should be fine to carry on with the line. The T6  is a beast even though the MM can be punishing. The t7 is a monster in the right hands and has decent Matchmaking on top of that. The T8 is also an enjoyable grind but the T9 is just awfull for most, so come prepared. But in the end it should be worth it, as the T10 Minotaur is once again a beast.

If you need more tips try to consould some youtubers, such as Flamu and other CC's. Some show you the gameplay from which you can learn, others show you how to spec your Captain  - which is equally important.

And lastly: Try and utilise islands as covers as much as possible. A cruiser, especially the british, take massive damage when they get hit by BB's. Minimising your profile (going "bow-on") can help to avert massive damage and being deleated in a single salvo.

 

Many Thanks, Some great tips and helpful info. 

 

 

[Sark74]

6 hours ago, DB2212 said:

2 days, 83 games, tier 5.
Tier 5. That's what you're doing wrong.

 

If you jumped from nation to nation and DD to CA to BB, that's what you're doing wrong.
If you didn't jump from nation to nation and DD to CA to BB, that's what you're doing wrong.

 

Go back to a ship type you like and play that ship type from every nation. Learn what each nation specialises in and learn how other ship types react and play.

 

Sorry to be blunt but tier 5 will not be your friendly place for several hundreds of games.

 

Go have fun at lower tiers.

Hi, 

 

I started British and stayed, i did try a few other nations at level 1, when i didnt have a clue what i was doing but 95% of my games are using British Cruisers. i only bought the 1st battleship as again i didnt really know what i was doing in terms of spending points on researching new ships etc. but the Battleships are good fun, but i also find then slow reloading and spend more time watching than playing. I do think i pref Cruiser type of play. Not played Destroyer class yet. 

 Dont be sorry about being blunt, I'm new, and as you can tell in my original post, I'm out gunned, out matched and frankly no good in tier 5 right now.. i get sunk from 1 battleship round, I'm a liability to any team..  I have no problem going back down to Tier 3 if thats where I'll be better off. 

 

Thanks for you reply :) much appreciated 

[Sark74]

26 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

@Sark74 First thing you should keep in mind is that up to and including tier 4 you played in "newbie protection" matchmaking - no experienced players, empty slots filled up with bots... Either at late tier 4 (if you reached account level 11) or when you got to tier 5 you suddenly went into normal MM queues - those where you can meet any player including professional sealclubbers.

 

That being said - RN CLs are the most skill-intensive line that's not a CV. It's really not recommended for a newbie.

 

Another thing is - don't rush. All that will happen is you will run into people who have played thousands of games, who know how the games mechanics work and so on - and you will get absolutely wrecked game after game after game. Stay at lower tiers, learn the basics. Try out a few different lines, see how it is to play BBs, DDs and CAs / CLs (and CVs if you want to try that). Don't be in any rush to get your first tier 10 asap, they will all be there whenever you're up to the task of fighting more experienced players 

 Thanks :) 

 

Much appreciated 

[Sark74]

Tried the US class 3 ship, very good. 10 guns! Way more tanky than the "Paper" British ships on the level.. Damn my Patriotism 

 

[ColonelPete]

The St Louis is one of the Queens of low tier. A very strong and fun ship.

She has good AP shells vs broadside cruisers and good HE shells for the rest.

[Sark74]

its very slow tho, or feels it, its like a mini battleship. seems i have sacrifice a little mobility for fire power.. but im playing like a battleship, hanging way back and helping from long range

 

[Verblonde]

Others have covered most of the key points (MM getting suddenly scary at T5, UK cruisers being harder to play, and so on); I would agree very much with those who suggest working your way up several trees at once too - it does require a bit of patience, but it's worth it; although you'll have to wait a bit before getting your hands on some of the 'famous' ships, you'll be much better equipped to utilise them properly when you get there.

For me, the 'several trees' approach has a number of advantages. For a start you'll be protected from +2 MM for longer (as you know, you only see enemies one tier higher, at worst, up to and including T4); if you play several trees, you'll probably get better at a wider range of skills necessary to the game e.g. if you follow the IJN DD line, you'll practice torpedo use (and stealth) more, whilst the Russians are more about guns and speed (and so on, across the other classes and nations). You're also more likely to find the line/class that 'clicks' for you, and provides the most fun.

One thing that WOWS calls for more than almost any other game that I've played is patience; if you're used to the usual pace of most games, WOWS can seem glacially slow at least some of the time (I find BBs very frustrating at times - to me it feels like nothing happens for the length of time it would take to read War & Peace, for example). If you're in the mood for a frenetic shoot 'em up, avoid most of the WOWS classes, until you're in the right place for something a bit more strategic!

BTW, check out the WOWS Wiki: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/World_of_Warships if you haven't found it already. It has lots of useful stuff about the characteristics of all the ships in the game, captain skills (*very* important), and suggested builds (both in terms of upgrades, and suitable captain skills). It's not 'holy writ' in all matters, but I found/find it very helpful.

[Verblonde]

Oh yeah, don't expect to become awesome over night, unless you are some sort of prodigy - this game takes ages to master (this is actually a good thing - it tends to stay fresh for longer than a lot of games).

 

At time of writing, I've played 1.1K games in randoms, and I still suck (48% WR) - it takes time to 'git gud', so don't beat yourself up too much in the early stages (really important: ignore anyone who is needlessly rude in in-game chat; if you do mess up, try and look at what you did dispassionately, with a view to avoiding repeating the mistake, but don't let the whiners in-game get to you).

You'll find some of the best people to ask for advice on the forums here (not me - I suck too much!); most of the experienced players are extremely knowledgeable, and happy to help we newbies!

[Sark74]

6 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Oh yeah, don't expect to become awesome over night, unless you are some sort of prodigy - this game takes ages to master (this is actually a good thing - it tends to stay fresh for longer than a lot of games).

 

 

 

I'm enjoying it a lot more now I'm on the US cruiser line, No more getting 1 shot from Battleships. I've done every achievement except for the 200,000 xp in a battle.. thats going to take me a fair while to get i can assure you, def no prodigy here.. :D 

 

Cheers

[Talladega_Night]

first thing you did wrong is play British Cruisers as your first line, they have a really steep leearning curve that is best learned after playing another line of cruisers. US or Russian are good choices.

[GlueSniffingMonkey]

Here's some pro tips:

- Never shoot your guns untill you're in smoke or behind cover; i've seen tier X (Minotaur) shoot right before they smoke up, then die in smoke from all the incoming fire they atracted

- Never reveal yourself on your way to cover

 

General rule in british cruisers: if you're spoted, you're dead.

[Sark74]

9 hours ago, Captain_Placeholder said:

first thing you did wrong is play British Cruisers as your first line, 

 

I'm realising my mistake .. sooo much xp wasted :(