The best cruiser at Tier 7 ?

[piritskenyer]

On 12/03/2018 at 12:09 AM, triumphgt6 said:

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I originally started the game wanting to play the Cleveland - not as good as I hoped as the arcs are awful. 'Upgraded' to the Pepsi - have bought her twice - the first time i thought she was awful - the turret traverse is appalling and I used to get in all sorts of scrapes fighting off destroyers. I sold her and got the New Orleans - which I also hated! Once I improved a bit I rebought the Pepsi - still a truly awful ship!! Sold it in disgust!

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Have you considered getting better? 

Also, since when is 30 seconds base turret traverse considered bad? 

[Jagod]

Fiji indeed takes the crown amoung the T7 cruisers (pun intended), but for me personally Yorck comes second. It is a round package with a compact turning circle, comfortable turret handling, conventient torpedo angles and usable guns. Pensacola has better guns and maneuverability, but is a bit more fragile, so it rewards skillful gameplay better and does a very good job at revealing errors in positioning. Both are really fun ships to play, but I think Yorck provides a bit more utility/tools.

 

So for the purpose of an all-round cruiser (regarding the OP) I would vote for Fiji first and Yorck second, as they offer (in my humble opinion) the most versatility to fulfill different tasks.

[Donar79]

My personal hit list would be:

 

1. Fiji/Pensa

2. Belfast/Schors

3. Algerie

4. Yorck/Myoko

 

Can`t define a clear sequence since every ship has its situational strengths. In matters of all-round ability i also would like to vote Yorck higher (2nd or 3rd) but i couldn´t make her sh*tty ballistics work.

Apart from that i kinda like the Algerie but in terms of eating Citas from every angle she feels weaker than Pensa and i didn´t liked her firing angles that much.

[Centurion_1711]

3 hours ago, Donar79 said:

Apart from that i kinda like the Algerie but in terms of eating Citas from every angle she feels weaker than Pensa and i didn´t liked her firing angles that much.

The firing angles are by far its biggest weakness. I guess it makes the citadel problem worse, as you have to show a lot of broadside to use all guns. Still, the spaced armour seems to protect against Royal Navy SAP and some small calibre guns, but don't count on it too much.

[VC381]

FWIW I didn't find the firing angles on Algerie particularly annoying and that's the sort of thing that's high on my list of possible complaints about a ship. It's far better than Myoko at least. As for eating citadels, I find her agile enough especially in combination with the speed boost to effectively avoid fire. Also the AP on Algerie was a very pleasant surprise for me.

 

So to update, my "top tier" for T7 cruisers would be Fiji, Algerie and the US heavies (Pepsi/Indy/NO as they are similar enough and I imagine it won't change when NO replaces Pepsi).

[triumphgt6]

11 hours ago, piritskenyer said:

 

Have you considered getting better? 

Also, since when is 30 seconds base turret traverse considered bad? 

You are probably correct - but the transit from Cleveland to Pepsi left me cold. Also got the Atlanta which is simply more fun. I suppose I just like light cruisers and destroyers better - I try not to be a liability and after using the MM app, I reckon I am distinctly above average !

I suppose when I enter a battle, I always look for what I think might kill me, and the Pepsi is certainly not one of those!

[NothingButTheRain]

I loved Cleveland when I got her. I even kept playing her using ops mostly, it was my first 19pt captain 

I didn't like the upgraded turrets, so I stuck with the faster turing ones. The RoF is still better then many other cruisers and I think Clevelands arcs are great!

 

Pepsi, I tried to like her, but in the end the fragileness and the slow turning turrets were not for me.

 

Algerie is a pretty good cruiser I think. It seems a bit like a Pepsi, but with a bit faster reload, a catapult plane, torps and speed boost 

[piritskenyer]

9 hours ago, triumphgt6 said:

You are probably correct - but the transit from Cleveland to Pepsi left me cold. Also got the Atlanta which is simply more fun. I suppose I just like light cruisers and destroyers better - I try not to be a liability and after using the MM app, I reckon I am distinctly above average !

I suppose when I enter a battle, I always look for what I think might kill me, and the Pepsi is certainly not one of those!

Fair enough. 

Ome thing though: don't underestimate the Pepsi, as a well driven one can most certainly kill you. 

[triumphgt6]

12 hours ago, piritskenyer said:

Fair enough. 

Ome thing though: don't underestimate the Pepsi, as a well driven one can most certainly kill you. 

Of course anything can, but the Pepsi is so vulnerable to a good shot and does not have the heal that the Fiji does. I had a battle last week when I was defending our base (lemming train on one side had failed) and I was up against a pepsi and two german battleships - Bayerns I think from memory. I was able to torp one of the BBs, kill the full health Pepsi in two salvos, get the first Bayern as he came back around the island before damaging the second BB enough so that although I died, a teammate could finish him off. The Pepsi had to swerve to avoid my torps and exposed broadside so simply dissolved. The fact I could fire quicker and out turn his turrets (very close range) meant he had little chance. The Fiji can be very high adrenaline and although I would say I am pretty average, it rewards a certain play style. I am probably not careful enough to play the Pepsi - I think it has a higher skill level than I can manage - getting too slow in my old age!!

[piritskenyer]

6 minutes ago, triumphgt6 said:

Of course anything can, but the Pepsi is so vulnerable to a good shot and does not have the heal that the Fiji does. I had a battle last week when I was defending our base (lemming train on one side had failed) and I was up against a pepsi and two german battleships - Bayerns I think from memory. I was able to torp one of the BBs, kill the full health Pepsi in two salvos, get the first Bayern as he came back around the island before damaging the second BB enough so that although I died, a teammate could finish him off. The Pepsi had to swerve to avoid my torps and exposed broadside so simply dissolved. The fact I could fire quicker and out turn his turrets (very close range) meant he had little chance. The Fiji can be very high adrenaline and although I would say I am pretty average, it rewards a certain play style. I am probably not careful enough to play the Pepsi - I think it has a higher skill level than I can manage - getting too slow in my old age!!

A well driven Pepsi can easily shrug off a Fiji from the front, while a Fiji can't do the same to a Pepsi's shells. Also, a Pepsi can delete a Fiji with a well placed salvo, while a Fiji meeds at the very least two full salvoes to do the same to a Pepsi (or any T7 ship really). 

I agree that Fiji is a very good ship, but still have great confidence in my Pepsi. I

[triumphgt6]

But you are a much player than me - I would put money on you in a Fiji against me in a Pepsi! You are of course correct - the 8" shells will do all sorts of nasty things to a Fiji but luckily not many play it well - in fact more accurately, not many play her. Will be interesting when she moves down a tier though.

On another note, looking forward to the Vanguard!

[triumphgt6]

And although I lost this battle, this is why I love the Fiji! Last battle of the night and earned my Aigle!

 

[Centurion_1711]

22 hours ago, triumphgt6 said:

Will be interesting when she moves down a tier though.

On another note, looking forward to the Vanguard!

We'll have to wait for the "New Ship Smell" to wear off, as a new T6 cruiser will attract some questionable gameplay. I see enough broadside Omahas and Clevelands, so the T6 Pepsi will probably get slammed by most new players as, believe it or not, showing broadside gets you killed!

Also, HMS Vanguard will be a great addition, so long as it gets proper AP, no derpy HE and no silly gimmicks like every other Royal Navy ship. I guess then it was better that the Vanguard ended up premium, so it at least has half a chance of being 'normal' rather than a weird gimmick like KGV, Monarch etc. 

[piritskenyer]

36 minutes ago, Centurion_1711 said:

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Also, HMS Vanguard will be a great addition, so long as it gets proper AP, no derpy HE and no silly gimmicks like every other Royal Navy ship. I guess then it was better that the Vanguard ended up premium, so it at least has half a chance of being 'normal' rather than a weird gimmick like KGV, Monarch etc. 

Shameless self-plug: I invite you to check out the link in my signature pertaining to my Vanguard write-up, I think you will find it satisfying :) 

[Ysterpyp]

On 2/19/2018 at 3:26 AM, Commander_Cornflakes said:

(With Premiums) Belfast (Captain: PT, JOAT, SI, CE, safe next points for IFHE)

 

I dont use IFHE on Belfast, for one simple reason. Its Base fire chance is to low . i think its like 8% with IFHE + DE without flags .

 

 

I have jack dunkirk on mine and i use his special skill instead of IFHE. Smoke Expert , Expert Marksman , JOAT.

 

Works out very well for me , you dont want to spam BB's at high tier with it and especially ranked where farming bb's is less a thing, you want to set them on fire and focus on the next target.

 

Where the other skills help u alot more with DD Hunting which is her niche 

 

Each to his own i guess

 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 5 Stunden, Ysterpyp sagte:

I dont use IFHE on Belfast, for one simple reason. Its Base fire chance is to low . i think its like 8% with IFHE + DE without flags .

It may seem low, but with the fire rate and number of guns you still get a lot of fires, even with IFHE. And the boost of raw damage is better anyway, because fires are 100% healable, penetrations only 50%.

+ You can get HE citas on some ships

[ShinGetsu]

7 hours ago, Ysterpyp said:

I dont use IFHE on Belfast, for one simple reason. Its Base fire chance is to low . i think its like 8% with IFHE + DE without flags .

 

 

I have jack dunkirk on mine and i use his special skill instead of IFHE. Smoke Expert , Expert Marksman , JOAT.

 

Works out very well for me , you dont want to spam BB's at high tier with it and especially ranked where farming bb's is less a thing, you want to set them on fire and focus on the next target.

 

Where the other skills help u alot more with DD Hunting which is her niche 

 

Each to his own i guess

 

You're intentionally nerfing yourself.

 

The raw damage output boost you get with IFHE largely offset the small chance of fire you lose with it. And you are less reliant on RNG since you don't have to hope your fires won't all be immediately extinguished.

 

IFHE allows to pierces all BBs armor extremities at tier 8-9, while you don't lose any damage output against everything else, and even allows you to shot through the 27mm-bow of some cruisers.

 

i played Kutuzov enough before and after IFHE to know how much of a buff that skill was for that cruiser. Battles where I had to hope that fire would starts and wouldn't be immediately stopped changed into battles where each fire I started was nothing but a nice bonus on my already large damage output.

 

EDIT : on topic, my top contender for best tier 7 cruisers would be, in that order :

- Myoukou

- Atlanta

- Shchors.

 

Myoukou is still incredibly powerful even despites all the powercreep that happened. That ship got a very heavy broadside, and awesome torp. Decent armor, fast, meh concealment but workable, and agile.

 

Atlanta is hard but fair, can be frustrating at times but is also incredibly fun, and is a fantastic carry in the right hand. It shreds planes, nukes DDs, nukes broadside cruisers if it can ambush them, and rainbow on BBs when it doesn't have anything better to do (and get insulted by them as an extra reward xD). It requires very good map awareness and a good captain (best with 18 points including CE, IFHE and AFT), but rewards you for it.

 

Shchors is an HE spamming monster. Having the same DPM as the Kutuzov a tier lower, with a bit less range, is incredible. I loved grinding that ship, one of the fastest grind I did at that tier.

 

 

[loppantorkel]

7 hours ago, Ysterpyp said:

I dont use IFHE on Belfast, for one simple reason. Its Base fire chance is to low . i think its like 8% with IFHE + DE without flags .

 

 

I have jack dunkirk on mine and i use his special skill instead of IFHE. Smoke Expert , Expert Marksman , JOAT.

 

Works out very well for me , you dont want to spam BB's at high tier with it and especially ranked where farming bb's is less a thing, you want to set them on fire and focus on the next target.

 

Where the other skills help u alot more with DD Hunting which is her niche 

 

Each to his own i guess

It's pretty boring to spam bbs too. I invested 4 points on IFHE on Atlanta recently, it may be it's worth it, but mainly for the extra damage I believe I get on cruisers when needed. Killing dds is where the fun is though and that went fine without IFHE.

[Centurion_1711]

22 hours ago, piritskenyer said:

Shameless self-plug: I invite you to check out the link in my signature pertaining to my Vanguard write-up, I think you will find it satisfying :) 

Looks good, no silly gimmicks, just a great representation of a great ship. Those Cardonald shells will be interesting, I wonder how they stack up compared to other BB's.

[piritskenyer]

41 minutes ago, Centurion_1711 said:

Looks good, no silly gimmicks, just a great representation of a great ship. Those Cardonald shells will be interesting, I wonder how they stack up compared to other BB's.

There was a penetration curve added in the second page of the thread, you can compare that. The krupp on the pencurve isy estimation for the Cardonald shells. 

[Ysterpyp]

On 3/16/2018 at 4:22 PM, ShinGetsu said:

You're intentionally nerfing yourself.

 

The raw damage output boost you get with IFHE largely offset the small chance of fire you lose with it. And you are less reliant on RNG since you don't have to hope your fires won't all be immediately extinguished.

 

I had IFHE on her and decided to drop it in the end thanks to low HE Shell Performance and Firechance   , a lot more other usefull skills for the belfast .

 

On cleveland and chapayev yes now there IFHE feels right at home

 

BTW : Just found a guy with 6100 battles in orlan with 82% wr solo... Might give her a try 

[Paimentaja]

From regular ships I'd vote for Fiji or Shchors.

Fiji is just so different from others and has a wide range of abilities. Smoke-pew-pew is one of them and very effective.

Shchors has incredible firepower and is quite manouvreable. Personal best-in-tier dmg is with this ship. (Single game, average best-in-tier-per-class goes to Myoko, which is also excellent.)

 

Premium ships... well, I don't own it, but it kinda seems like the Belfast would be the thing.

Being pretty much the same as Fiji, but with radar and HE, I'd love to have that.

[Centurion_1711]

On 22/03/2018 at 1:46 PM, Paimentaja said:

Shchors has incredible firepower and is quite manouvreable. Personal best-in-tier dmg is with this ship.

Interesting. I heard that this was one of the weaker ships at T7, with power-creep like Belfast and Algerie. I suppose if you can make her work, all the better for you. In my experience I've never played her (stopped on the USSR a while back, can't remember why), but they are one of my favourite ships to citadel, up there with broadside Myokos, Mogamis and a lot of the RN cruisers. Would it be worth buying the Shchors at some point, or steer clear of her?

[Paimentaja]

2 minutes ago, Centurion_1711 said:

Interesting. I heard that this was one of the weaker ships at T7, with power-creep like Belfast and Algerie. I suppose if you can make her work, all the better for you. In my experience I've never played her (stopped on the USSR a while back, can't remember why), but they are one of my favourite ships to citadel, up there with broadside Myokos, Mogamis and a lot of the RN cruisers. Would it be worth buying the Shchors at some point, or steer clear of her?

Yes, it is very fragile as those ships mentioned. I guess almost all t7 cruisers are fragile and will be punished if broadsided. But the thing with Shchors is guns. Those are accurate and fast loading with good chance of fire. Add IFHE and the alpha is decent too. There are better ships than her, but Chapayev and Donskoi continues what Shchors do : Very good firepower in very fragile ship. If you have grinded the Hindenburg already, I would recommend USSR or IJN next.

[Centurion_1711]

7 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

Yes, it is very fragile as those ships mentioned. I guess almost all t7 cruisers are fragile and will be punished if broadsided. But the thing with Shchors is guns. Those are accurate and fast loading with good chance of fire. Add IFHE and the alpha is decent too. There are better ships than her, but Chapayev and Donskoi continues what Shchors do : Very good firepower in very fragile ship. If you have grinded the Hindenburg already, I would recommend USSR or IJN next.

I haven't got any T10's yet, my highest ranked ships are New Orleans (soon to move though), Edinburgh and Kiev. Never bothered with the German line, the Yorck and Hipper had a lot of bad press, not to mention the Konigsberg that eats citadels from even DD's at long range. Having said that I am certainly better at WoWs than when I first started (I cringe at the broadside I used to show in cruisers ), so I don't mind fragile ships now (loved the Pepsi as I've said). I'm a bit low on credits at the moment, but when they build back up I'll probably get Shchors and some IFHE to hurt the camping BB's!