[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #1 Posted February 14, 2018 Title says it all.... for a rare mechanic it is becoming more prevalent.... when did it become a 'thing' that running anti detonation flags is a 100% must in this game.... it's getting worse guys and gals NOT better... how about make DD have an automatic anti det flag or just remove the mechanic... FFS even the BB's that kill me are apologising in game now ! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 15,010 battles Report post #2 Posted February 14, 2018 I apologise every time I detonate someone. It's just RNG of the Master RNGs Most Important RNG of Extreme RNGs to the Max! 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #3 Posted February 14, 2018 that's definitely intentional by WG to make sure we are all extra eager for patch 0.7.2 when they remove full health detos! /tinfoil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #4 Posted February 14, 2018 Do you use the Magazine modification upgrade? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #5 Posted February 15, 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #6 Posted February 15, 2018 dont worry, wg is removing full hp detonations... now you can only detonate with less than 75% hp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyllon Players 2,588 posts Report post #7 Posted February 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, robihr said: dont worry, wg is removing full hp detonations... now you can only detonate with less than 75% hp WG is expecting 25% less posts about detonations I presume. Something is telling me it is not going to work... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyFara Players 1,091 posts 2,423 battles Report post #8 Posted February 15, 2018 And this is why I think that donations should give flags every time. At the very least he'd have 50 flags. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #9 Posted February 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, stewie533 said: And this is why I think that donations should give flags every time. At the very least he'd have 50 flags. Yeah, but I mean... even with that with the first time he got ten. He could have put that on the ship and just be safe. And here will come someone saying that's what he SHOULD have done, but you know what? Even if that's true and a fair point it's just a perfect example that people don't care about that "compensation" for a detonation even if it's a real "10 time use" complete safety from another detonation. A lot of people just don't care about that. Why? Well, because it's a bad mechanic no matter how you really look at it or try to decorate the idea. A lot of people are just tired of it and giving "tools" to mitigate a mechanic that completely screws you over anyways the second it takes effect will not change that. WG can reduce the chance of detonations as much as they want but complains about detonations will keep coming no matter what, because it's just that bad. Detonations should be gone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #10 Posted February 15, 2018 I dont mind detonations per se... but it's the frequency.... with Most battlesheeps now spamming huge HE rounds its such a high chance due to splash damage.... I have a screenie somewhere of me in a gearing Detonated.. with ZERO his... bloody Conqueror near miss detonated me.... WUT??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] xxNihilanxx Beta Tester 2,018 posts 13,254 battles Report post #11 Posted February 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, SHDRKN4792 said: Yeah, but I mean... even with that with the first time he got ten. He could have put that on the ship and just be safe. And here will come someone saying that's what he SHOULD have done, but you know what? Even if that's true and a fair point it's just a perfect example that people don't care about that "compensation" for a detonation even if it's a real "10 time use" complete safety from another detonation. A lot of people just don't care about that. Why? Well, because it's a bad mechanic no matter how you really look at it or try to decorate the idea. A lot of people are just tired of it and giving "tools" to mitigate a mechanic that completely screws you over anyways the second it takes effect will not change that. WG can reduce the chance of detonations as much as they want but complains about detonations will keep coming no matter what, because it's just that bad. Detonations should be gone. He plays DDs in clan wars. He kinda needs to save his anti-try-to-con-you-into-buying-signal-bundles-mechanic flags for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #12 Posted February 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, cherry2blost said: I dont mind detonations per se... but it's the frequency.... with Most battlesheeps now spamming huge HE rounds its such a high chance due to splash damage.... I have a screenie somewhere of me in a gearing Detonated.. with ZERO his... bloody Conqueror near miss detonated me.... WUT??? Yup, all hail the splash damage indeed. 25 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said: He plays DDs in clan wars. He kinda needs to save his anti-try-to-con-you-into-buying-signal-bundles-mechanic flags for that. Yeah, I remember doing that when I still bothered collecting the different flags of each ranked season, but isn't this situation even more retarded? I mean... players who play ranked and CWs save their flags for that in a gesture that shows that even people that are ok with detonations show a sign of ultimately acknowledging it's a bad mechanic that can ruin matches meant to be serious and of some (in some cases, specially ranked, theoretical) skilled level and want to avoid that there and meanwhile when they play DDs in randoms have to get punished by the game because of that? That's why for me detonations are a bad mechanic. I'd like to see the one that some day comes an enlighten us with a reasonable explanation of what's the point of detonations, what they're trying to accomplish and the reason the game needs them to keep running. Because as of now we have people in favor and against of it but not even the ones that don't mind about detonations can come up with a reasonable argument about why. That's the thing that ticks me off about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #13 Posted February 15, 2018 Detonations aren't fun. 5 in a row is really miserable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G3Virus Players 448 posts 20,182 battles Report post #14 Posted February 15, 2018 Not just me annoyed by detonations then. Like some one always told me, normalization, normalization... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] YukiEiriKun [POP] Beta Tester 1,500 posts 5,749 battles Report post #15 Posted February 15, 2018 12K battles, 101 detonations. Not bad. Does not look like any big issue. You do have replays of these five detonations? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #16 Posted February 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Aotearas said: Do you use the Magazine modification upgrade? I do get the sarcasm ... but this question so pisses me off :) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #17 Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, YukiEiriKun said: 12K battles, 101 detonations. Not bad. Does not look like any big issue. You do have replays of these five detonations? My ratio does not look like an issue also, but mainly because I always sail my DDs with deto flag auto mounted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] YukiEiriKun [POP] Beta Tester 1,500 posts 5,749 battles Report post #18 Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, nambr9 said: My ratio does not look like an issue also, but mainly because I always sail my DDs with deto flag auto mounted. So there is no issue when you can 100% counter it? I have not bought a single flag set, I use them on my every DD. Except when I feel that I'm getting low of them and try to get an deto to have more. And I do not have any issues with my detonation rate. I see this more of an issue with certain type of people than mechanics or frequency. This is purely from "how I see things" perspective and can be denied and countered with the same. But I argue that life is easier on my side of "the wall" where you do not waste all that energy of whining about marginal, non-real-life issues. It's a game mechanic. ;) Ooh! It's snowing outside! Happy! ^_^ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[H_FAN] Gnirf Players 3,293 posts 67,377 battles Report post #19 Posted February 15, 2018 4 hours ago, SHDRKN4792 said: Yeah, but I mean... even with that with the first time he got ten. He could have put that on the ship and just be safe. And here will come someone saying that's what he SHOULD have done, but you know what? Even if that's true and a fair point it's just a perfect example that people don't care about that "compensation" for a detonation even if it's a real "10 time use" complete safety from another detonation. A lot of people just don't care about that. Why? Well, because it's a bad mechanic no matter how you really look at it or try to decorate the idea. A lot of people are just tired of it and giving "tools" to mitigate a mechanic that completely screws you over anyways the second it takes effect will not change that. WG can reduce the chance of detonations as much as they want but complains about detonations will keep coming no matter what, because it's just that bad. Detonations should be gone. Thats a matter of opinion. Perhaps you are a gamer only. I am both in this game to play and because I am interested in naval matters. DDs are per nature fragile ships act accordingly, Detonations should not go. Hood , Invincible etc says otherwise. Do you apologize when you wreck a cruiser in your battleship with one salvo? It is RNG like detonations! Certain well aimed salvos have a chance of getting dev strikes it is no difference from hits on a DD. It is part of naval combat and 5 in a row? Sure ypu can win the lottery, but I can assure you I have never got more than 2 in a row in 16000 battles, and I hardly use det flags apart from the ranked battles. But I use mag mod on some DDs. That is a module to use - it is your choice if you want to trade offensive qualities for defensive. And as a comment in general to the topic: I want detonations in a naval game - I write this posts to balance all the whiners in threads like this Use your ship according to the risks and if you chose more detonation prone builds do not whine afterwards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #20 Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, YukiEiriKun said: So there is no issue when you can 100% counter it? I have not bought a single flag set, I use them on my every DD. Except when I feel that I'm getting low of them and try to get an deto to have more. And I do not have any issues with my detonation rate. I see this more of an issue with certain type of people than mechanics or frequency. This is purely from "how I see things" perspective and can be denied and countered with the same. But I argue that life is easier on my side of "the wall" where you do not waste all that energy of whining about marginal, non-real-life issues. It's a game mechanic. ;) Ooh! It's snowing outside! Happy! ^_^ How is there not an issue if YOU HAVE TO MOUNT A FREAKING SIGNAL EVERY TIME to get 100% ANTI RNG BS protection???!!??! Game mechanics you say .... right .... its not game mechanics ... its utter BS ! Game just decides... you know what, lets kill that DD and put his team in disadvantage for no reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONUS] Hedgehog1963 [BONUS] Beta Tester 3,211 posts 14,951 battles Report post #21 Posted February 15, 2018 Sailing side-on a lot to enemy units in a DD, no module and no anti deto flag and this will happen. Five in a row though... oh dear... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,982 battles Report post #22 Posted February 15, 2018 6 hours ago, robihr said: dont worry, wg is removing full hp detonations... now you can only detonate with less than 75% hp Yeah, about that ... Quote Note that for each individual strike, a detonation check is rolled after the damage is applied. This means, theoretically, cases such as Conqueror/Zao's HE shell vs. destroyers, or Yamato/Montana's AP vs. cruisers can have devastating outcome and the victim may lose more than 25% HP from full health and detonate immediately. So, for your best safety, get Juliet Charlie. https://sea-group.org/?p=3989&lang=en Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Ubertron_X [NWP] Beta Tester 2,657 posts 25,768 battles Report post #23 Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, nambr9 said: I do get the sarcasm ... but this question so pisses me off :) Why? If you so desperately hate something to should at least try to minimize the chances of it happening. So if detonations are your prime concern then mount the damn module even if you are not 100% safe like the flag, if however you don't mind detonations and broken equipment is your prime concern then you mount the other module. Easy as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asakka Players 850 posts Report post #24 Posted February 15, 2018 We have this topic everyday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #25 Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, fumtu said: Yeah, about that ... https://sea-group.org/?p=3989&lang=en but you still detonate with less than 75% hp 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
