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I bought the HSF Graf Spee and the standard Tirpitz, I moved the commander from the Graf Spee to the Turpitz and built her up to 14 skill points. I just noticed when I redistributed the points it still says her specialisation is the Graf Spee.

 

Does this mean she has some kind of penalty to her skills since she is being used in a Battleship (Tirpitz) but is specialised in a Cruiser (Graf Spee)?

 

Also can someone tell me if I have skilled my commander correctly and equipped my Tirpitz right? 

 

Tier VIII Battleship "Tirpitz":

 

Upgrades:

 

Slot 1 = "Main Armaments Modification 1",

Slot 2 = "Damage Control System Modification 1",

Slot 3 = "Secondary Battery Modification 2",

Slot 4 = "Damage Control System Modification 2",

Slot 5 = "Concealment System Modification System 1".

 

Commander Skills

 

Skill 1 = Preventive Maintenance (Tier I),

Skill 2 = Expert Marksman (Tier II),

Skill 3 = Basic Fire Training (Tier III),

Skill 4 = Manual Fire Control for Secondary Armament (Tier IV),

Skill 5 = Advanced Fire Training (Tier IV),

Skill 6 = Superintendent (Tier III) *NOT TRAINED - GOING TO SAVE AND USE FREE XP*

 

Have I done this right? 

 

Thanks guys

 

 

 

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As Both the HSF Graf Spee and the Tirpitz are premium ships you do not have to retrain the captain between those two ships as they are premiums, so even if he still says HSF Graf Spee specialisation he can still make use of all of those skills with the Tirpitz. 

If you tried to put him on a Bismarck (or another Silver Line Battleship) you would need to retrain to specialise on the Bismarck in order to make use of his stills. 
The Trick is to move a Captain to the Bismarck, accept retraining and pay the 200k credits and then move him back to Tirpitz to complete the retraining. 

As for the Captain skills, that is the Bismarck/Tirpitz secondary build so all good there.
only change i'd make is Secondaries mod 1 in order to give the secondaries more durability. Although i lose main turrets like anything in T10 battles so either/or

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47 minutes ago, JaiFoh said:

As Both the HSF Graf Spee and the Tirpitz are premium ships you do not have to retrain the captain between those two ships as they are premiums, so even if he still says HSF Graf Spee specialisation he can still make use of all of those skills with the Tirpitz. 

If you tried to put him on a Bismarck (or another Silver Line Battleship) you would need to retrain to specialise on the Bismarck in order to make use of his stills. 
The Trick is to move a Captain to the Bismarck, accept retraining and pay the 200k credits and then move him back to Tirpitz to complete the retraining. 

As for the Captain skills, that is the Bismarck/Tirpitz secondary build so all good there.
only change i'd make is Secondaries mod 1 in order to give the secondaries more durability. Although i lose main turrets like anything in T10 battles so either/or

Thank you very much for clearing all that up for me, I really appreciate it :)

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157 battles, t6 & t8 premium... your name does fit. Going by the nature of your question and your WR - this is probably your 1st account. So the only tip I can give to you is - EDIT, grind your way up the silver ships and learn how the game works

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On 2/15/2018 at 2:25 AM, wilkatis_LV said:

157 battles, t6 & t8 premium... your name does fit. Going by the nature of your question and your WR - this is probably your 1st account. So the only tip I can give to you is - EDIT, grind your way up the silver ships and learn how the game works

Sorry mate but this comment is not really necessary.

 

IF he had come here complaining about the game or the ships lay in to him. but its a simple question..

Try be constructive..

 

That said

 

@The_Wallet_Warrior Mate i would lay of the your prem ships a while and do the tech tree ships for a bit. Play the German BB line all of them are very strong, and you can train commanders in Tirpitz and Graff Spee later. Learn the game at lower tiers you will enjoy the game more.

 

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On 2/15/2018 at 2:25 AM, wilkatis_LV said:

157 battles, t6 & t8 premium... your name does fit. Going by the nature of your question and your WR - this is probably your 1st account. So the only tip I can give to you is - EDIT, grind your way up the silver ships and learn how the game works

Completely uncalled for
Someone did the same when i started my NA account and had won a Molotov in a Super Container so i had to School him in the Art of the Molotov and came top of the Team with a Confederate and High Caliber.

NEVER judge a book by its cover

@The_Wallet_Warrior that being said you do have an ideal opportunity to almost go Seal Clubbing in the Low Tier German BB's by putting your Tirpitz Captain into the Low Tier Ships and Grinding through them. 
This will not only help you understand the pinciples of armour angling, and driving like your drunk (all Battleships should be driven by a drunk as it throws off torpedoes) but by the time you reach the Bismarck at T8 your Tirpitz Captain will have reached Level 19 which means the grind through to the Kurfurst will be extremely fun. 

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1 minute ago, JaiFoh said:

Completely uncalled for
Someone did the same when i started my NA account and had won a Molotov in a Super Container so i had to School him in the Art of the Molotov and came top of the Team with a Confederate and High Caliber.

NEVER judge a book by its cover

@The_Wallet_Warrior that being said you do have an ideal opportunity to almost go Seal Clubbing in the Low Tier German BB's by putting your Tirpitz Captain into the Low Tier Ships and Grinding through them. 
This will not only help you understand the pinciples of armour angling, and driving like your drunk (all Battleships should be driven by a drunk as it throws off torpedoes) but by the time you reach the Bismarck at T8 your Tirpitz Captain will have reached Level 19 which means the grind through to the Kurfurst will be extremely fun. 

Beat you to it........

But great minds think alike :Smile_medal:

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On 2/15/2018 at 2:25 AM, wilkatis_LV said:

157 battles, t6 & t8 premium... your name does fit. Going by the nature of your question and your WR - this is probably your 1st account. So the only tip I can give to you is - EDIT, grind your way up the silver ships and learn how the game works

With the greatest of respect, what I spend my money on is my prerogative. As is what games I play and how I spend my time. As such I will continue to play poorly at high tiers as I wish :) 

 

 

 

On 2/15/2018 at 11:56 AM, T0byJug said:

Sorry mate but this comment is not really necessary.

 

IF he had come here complaining about the game or the ships lay in to him. but its a simple question..

Try be constructive..

 

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@The_Wallet_Warrior Mate i would lay of the your prem ships a while and do the tech tree ships for a bit. Play the German BB line all of them are very strong, and you can train commanders in Tirpitz and Graff Spee later. Learn the game at lower tiers you will enjoy the game more.

 

And 

 

 

Welcome to the forum

 

I am currently grinding the Japanese battleship line, and all three lines in the German tech tree. It's pretty fun, I like the Nassau that I am grinding right now and although I suck at playing destroyers I have the T-22 and it's really fun to play. 

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On 14-2-2018 at 2:53 PM, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

Slot 1 = "Main Armaments Modification 1",

 

If you wish to use that captain on the Bismarck, I'd use the secondary mod here.

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2 minutes ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

With the greatest of respect, what I spend my money on is my prerogative. As is what games I play and how I spend my time. As such I will continue to play poorly at high tiers as I wish :) 

 

 

You are right and I too think the comment was unfair.

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1 hour ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

 

I am currently grinding the Japanese battleship line, and all three lines in the German tech tree. It's pretty fun, I like the Nassau that I am grinding right now and although I suck at playing destroyers I have the T-22 and it's really fun to play. 

The German DD line is a good one to start Good guns and good torps. 

Don't go past T22 unless you have a 10 Point commander With concealment.

Cruisers are not that great but not bad Karlsruhe where you are know is the worst of the bunch and your doing pretty darn well in her.

As i said the German BBs are very strong so no worries there.

 

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On 14/02/2018 at 1:53 PM, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

Does this mean she has some kind of penalty to her skills since she is being used in a Battleship (Tirpitz) but is specialised in a Cruiser (Graf Spee)?

 

Unlike Tanks, premium ships can be used to train any captain of the same nation. For example, you can put your T-22 captain into your Graf Spee for some additional training and while the skills might not line up, you can still have a decent battle because you're often facing players with 5 or 6-point captains part-way through their grind.

 

It's why I prefer low-mid tier premiums over high tiers - while it may seem counter-intuitive to put a 14-point DD captain in the Itchy Zucchini, it's an easy way to grind up the xp needed after moving him up a tier.

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34 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

The German DD line is a good one to start Good guns and good torps. 

Don't go past T22 unless you have a 10 Point commander With concealment.

Cruisers are not that great but not bad Karlsruhe where you are know is the worst of the bunch and your doing pretty darn well in her.

As i said the German BBs are very strong so no worries there.

 

I don't really know how I do in ships, I don't know any WoW stats websites, and to be totally honest I wanted to play WoW to get away from the stats crazy WoT. On WoT I have a few tanks I am super-unicum in, on the whole I am a >95% player on there and I can't be bothered anymore with the constant stat watching, which is why I jumped ship to WoW. 

 

In all honesty I only bought the Graf Spee because I like the look of the ship, I bought the Tirpitz because it's a historic ship and I will aim for ones like that as I grind up some trees. 

 

3 minutes ago, Strappster said:

 

Unlike Tanks, premium ships can be used to train any captain of the same nation. For example, you can put your T-22 captain into your Graf Spee for some additional training and while the skills might not line up, you can still have a decent battle because you're often facing players with 5 or 6-point captains part-way through their grind.

 

It's why I prefer low-mid tier premiums over high tiers - while it may seem counter-intuitive to put a 14-point DD captain in the Itchy Zucchini, it's an easy way to grind up the xp needed after moving him up a tier.

 

I have a 12 point commander in my Graf Spee, what is the penalty for moving them to a non-prem ship? My Tirpitz captain is up to 15 points now, she gets hella buffs from the flags and camo I am running, I am seeing 8k commander XP from a terrible game. 

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1 minute ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

I have a 12 point commander in my Graf Spee, what is the penalty for moving them to a non-prem ship? My Tirpitz captain is up to 15 points now, she gets hella buffs from the flags and camo I am running, I am seeing 8k commander XP from a terrible game. 

 

Warships doesn't have the same concept of main qualification as tanks. Moving a captain to a new silver ship means that their skills either work at 50% or don't do anything. You can't assign a captain to a silver ship without retraining for that ship.

 

The amount of commander xp varies depending on how many skill points a commander has. Taking your Tirpitz captain as an example, retraining him for a silver ship requires 100,000 commander xp.* This can come from your stock of elite commander xp (which is built up from xp earned by 19-point captains or from occasional crate drops and missions/operations) and you can top that up using your free xp.

 

If you don't want to use those xp stocks, you can retrain him for free, in which case you'll need to grind that 100k commander xp by playing, pay 200k credits and grind 50k commander xp or pay 500 gold and you're off and running.

 

As @JaiFoh suggests, the way to do it is to retrain for the silver ship with credits and then pop him back in the premium ship to grind the missing commander xp. As said, any commander can be put in any premium ship of the same nation and all their skills will work at 100%.

 

The bigger issue you might find is that your 15-point commander will have skills that make more sense on a BB than, say, a DD. Retraining does not reset skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Regardless of what silver ship you move him to. You'd have to grind the same commander xp to put him in the Nassau as you would for the Großer Kurfürst.

 

As an example, I won a 10-point Russian captain from completing an Operation recently. I looked at starting the RU CAs but putting him in the tier 2 ship would require 25k commander xp, which I thought was silly as it was only something like 5k xp to finish grinding that ship and move on to tier 3! I put a new 3-point captain in the tier 2 and used him to grind the tier 3 and 4 ships, assigning skills which were more useful for DDs. I retrained my 10-point captain to the tier 5 ship and put my now 6-point captain into the DD line instead.

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3 hours ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

With the greatest of respect, what I spend my money on is my prerogative. As is what games I play and how I spend my time. As such I will continue to play poorly at high tiers as I wish :) 

 

 

 

With whatever due respect, mate, I have to ask - what of the money and time spent by the other 11 players in your team? Is that not equally important? Your attitude here is wholly appropriate for a single-player game but largely misplaced in a team-orientated one. The implications here are that you consider your enjoyment more valuable than that of eleven other players in every match you play. Do you truly believe that you are eleven times more important than any other player you may share a team with?

 

What has been suggested to you is good advice. A wise man would take it.

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35 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

With whatever due respect, mate, I have to ask - what of the money and time spent by the other 11 players in your team? Is that not equally important? Your attitude here is wholly appropriate for a single-player game but largely misplaced in a team-orientated one. The implications here are that you consider your enjoyment more valuable than that of eleven other players in every match you play. Do you truly believe that you are eleven times more important than any other player you may share a team with?

 

What has been suggested to you is good advice. A wise man would take it.

 

No; they are not as equally important to me as I am important to myself. I play games for my enjoyment, not for the enjoyment of others.

 

Quite frankly, If someone gets so upset about someone playing a game differently to how they want that person to play, then they are the one with severe mental problems not the other player they are complaining about. 

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2 hours ago, T0byJug said:

Cruisers are not that great but not bad Karlsruhe where you are know is the worst of the bunch and your doing pretty darn well in her.

 

Tbh since its buff and protected MM, the Karlsruhe is quite strong for her tier.

Strong AP and decent/good torpedoes.

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24 minutes ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

 

No; they are not as equally important to me as I am important to myself. I play games for my enjoyment, not for the enjoyment of others.

 

Quite frankly, If someone gets so upset about someone playing a game differently to how they want that person to play, then they are the one with severe mental problems not the other player they are complaining about. 

 

So when an inexperienced football player joins a team and keeps repeatedly kicking the ball into the wrong goal, the players that point out his error have severe mental problems? Well, it's an interesting theory, I'll grant you that, but it's not one that I feel would stand up to examination.

 

Don't take things so personally, you're not the first new player to buy a Tirpitz and be totally outclassed at tier 8 and you won't be the last. The ship isn't known as the Derpitz for nothing.

 

As I said before, you have been offered some sound advice. A wise man would take it.

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11 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

So when an inexperienced football player joins a team and keeps repeatedly kicking the ball into the wrong goal, the players that point out his error have severe mental problems? Well, it's an interesting theory, I'll grant you that, but it's not one that I feel would stand up to examination.

 

Don't take things so personally, you're not the first new player to buy a Tirpitz and be totally outclassed at tier 8 and you won't be the last. The ship isn't known as the Derpitz for nothing.

 

As I said before, you have been offered some sound advice. A wise man would take it.

 

That awkward moment when you are comparing a physical, professional sport to a free-to-play computer game. I guess you could build straw men for days. 

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5 minutes ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

 

That awkward moment when you are comparing a physical, professional sport to a free-to-play computer game. I guess you could build straw men for days. 

 

It's an analogy not a strawman fallacy. If you are going to use terms that you have seen others on the internet use at least have the decency to understand them first.

 

Do what you like, man. People have tried to offer advice that would increase your (and others') enjoyment of the game but you seem determined to just behave like a typical internet twit instead. I have no intentions of getting into a flame war with you, I am far too old for that $hit. It wasn't particularly cool or original in the 90s and it's even less so now.

 

Have fun in game and I hope to see you in battle. On the red team, of course.

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I am a big Bismark fan and while I have gathered enough experience to move to Tier IX I just cannot go over leaving the Bismark behind. Is the Tripitz a worthwhile exchange for her? Should I eventually buy the Tripitz, retrain my Bismark captain for Tier IX and go back and forth to the Tripitz for my daily Bismark fix?

 

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1 hour ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

No; they are not as equally important to me as I am important to myself. I play games for my enjoyment, not for the enjoyment of others.

 

Quite frankly, If someone gets so upset about someone playing a game differently to how they want that person to play, then they are the one with severe mental problems not the other player they are complaining about. 

Okay, so I'm going to put this in the politest way I can manage;

Can you, perhaps, restrict your playtime to Co-op and not bother those of us who enjoy playing this TEAM-oriented online game?

Thanks.:cap_like:

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3 hours ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

I don't really know how I do in ships, I don't know any WoW stats websites, and to be totally honest I wanted to play WoW to get away from the stats crazy WoT. On WoT I have a few tanks I am super-unicum in, on the whole I am a >95% player on there and I can't be bothered anymore with the constant stat watching, which is why I jumped ship to WoW. 

 

In all honesty I only bought the Graf Spee because I like the look of the ship, I bought the Tirpitz because it's a historic ship and I will aim for ones like that as I grind up some trees. 

 

 

I have a 12 point commander in my Graf Spee, what is the penalty for moving them to a non-prem ship? My Tirpitz captain is up to 15 points now, she gets hella buffs from the flags and camo I am running, I am seeing 8k commander XP from a terrible game. 

penalty to move him will be about 40K i think.. but like tank prems you can alway use him in Graff Spee..

Also Graf Spee achieved a lot way more that tirpitz u need to do some reading.

stat sites

https://na.warships.today/

https://eu.warships.today/players

 

Remember prem ships are like tanks you can mount any commander of same nation with no penalty

 

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2 hours ago, The_Wallet_Warrior said:

 

No; they are not as equally important to me as I am important to myself. I play games for my enjoyment, not for the enjoyment of others.

 

Quite frankly, If someone gets so upset about someone playing a game differently to how they want that person to play, then they are the one with severe mental problems not the other player they are complaining about. 

You play how you want to play , WG didn't just make this game for idiots who think they have a divine right to it and to be fair lower tiers can be just as demanding as the higher tiers don't be fooled by people telling you T10 is the god level there are just as many bad players there as the lower tiers otherwise Unicoms would not exist.

 

What I would say is check out some vids on the net on how to play certain ship types if you haven't done that already...Good luck :Smile_honoring:

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20 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Remember prem ships are like tanks you can mount any commander of same nation with no penalty

 

No, they're not. You can put any ship commander into a premium ship of the same nation without penalty. In Tanks there's a penalty for putting a crew into a premium vehicle that's in a different line to the tank in which they hold their main qualification (light, medium, heavy, TD or arty).

 

For example, if you put a light tank crew into a premium medium tank, they'll play with a 25% penalty to their main qualification. Loaders load slower, gunners aren't quite as accurate, etc. and they suffer a 50% penalty to new crew xp.

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