[ADRIA] wilkatis_LV [ADRIA] Players 4,945 posts 7,402 battles Report post #1 Posted February 13, 2018 Hey DD players, here's one thing I thought would have been obvious to you - stop smoking up allied BBs Was it a good idea like half-a-year ago? Yeah, it was. Is it a good idea now? No, it's actually the opposite. Unless you plan to be spotting ahead of that smokescreen - that BB won't see anything, you make him blind as a bat. You know who isn't going to blind? The enemy team, because for 20s after firing the guns BB WILL BE SEEN DESPITE YOUR SMOKE. All you do is make your BB blind and give enemies the chance to rush it and torp it from close range. Unless you are trying to lose - stop it already! 3 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boris_MNE Players 1,565 posts 10,241 battles Report post #2 Posted February 13, 2018 ? Any person with greater iq than 2 will already know that. Those under this magical number probably do not visit forum anyways. Conclussion: topic useless :D 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] wilkatis_LV [ADRIA] Players 4,945 posts 7,402 battles Report post #3 Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said: ? Any person with greater iq than 2 will already know that. Those under this magical number probably do not visit forum anyways. Conclussion: topic useless :D The amount of DDs smoking you up just because you aren't camping the border behind spawn speaks of the opposite 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 3,301 posts 12,475 battles Report post #4 Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said: ? Any person with greater iq than 2 will already know that. Those under this magical number probably do not visit forum anyways. Conclussion: topic useless :D I'd agree, but then i met a BB division who denmands to be smoked up 14km away from the enemy BBs. And if we consider the average IQ of the WoWS playerbase, then i'd go even so far to claim that this thread is not only useful, but a necessary read. ^^ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N0RSE] MortenTardo Players 1,736 posts Report post #5 Posted February 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said: Hey DD players, here's one thing I thought would have been obvious to you - stop smoking up allied BBs Was it a good idea like half-a-year ago? Yeah, it was. Is it a good idea now? No, it's actually the opposite. Unless you plan to be spotting ahead of that smokescreen - that BB won't see anything, you make him blind as a bat. You know who isn't going to blind? The enemy team, because for 20s after firing the guns BB WILL BE SEEN DESPITE YOUR SMOKE. All you do is make your BB blind and give enemies the chance to rush it and torp it from close range. Unless you are trying to lose - stop it already! Ok. So the next potato BB that overextend and ask me for smoke i will just tell to fu#k off and refer him to this topic then? Ok. More smokes for me 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 4,870 posts 10,126 battles Report post #6 Posted February 13, 2018 It still helps, because not every BB is running a concealment build and having a balancedtm 12km concealment range. Being able to disappear for 10 seconds in between salvo, or only reappearing when you want gives you flexibility. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 1,830 posts 7,008 battles Report post #7 Posted February 13, 2018 Actually its a helpful bit of advise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 11,786 battles Report post #8 Posted February 13, 2018 I don't think the kind of people who still think it is a good tactic to smoke up battleships (or other ships with large smoke firing detectabilities for that matter) are the ones who'd read the forum and thus your complaint here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 898 posts 14,523 battles Report post #9 Posted February 13, 2018 I smoke BB’s that are being focused allowing them to escape, even do it with my Leander etc. common sense rules in these cases, you need to watch your mini map and chat. just a common sense foot note, just remind them to stop firing or you have just wasted a smoke. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dCK_Ad_Hominem Players 986 posts 5,083 battles Report post #10 Posted February 13, 2018 What is worse is dds smoking up themselves when there is no reason for it. And I blame Jingles for that. Enemy dd spotted -> instant smoke and no chance for the team to help the dd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 3,675 posts 14,458 battles Report post #11 Posted February 13, 2018 Yea, it's not as effective as before, but still possible to save ships with smoke. Depends on how aware the bb player is though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,334 posts 3,695 battles Report post #12 Posted February 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said: The amount of DDs smoking you up just because you aren't camping the border behind spawn speaks of the opposite You seriously believe that the DD's not already aware of that are going to be found on this forum? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,190 posts Report post #13 Posted February 13, 2018 Had a game about a week ago with an Iowa who was pushing (I know shock!) and kept asking for smoke, he didn't know about the changes to the smoke mechanic and actually listened when it was explained to him and reacted politely. Pretty exceptional player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralRushHour Beta Tester 369 posts 1,516 battles Report post #14 Posted February 13, 2018 40 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said: It still helps, because not every BB is running a concealment build and having a balancedtm 12km concealment range. Being able to disappear for 10 seconds in between salvo, or only reappearing when you want gives you flexibility. its also good if said BB is getting focused. Putting down a smoke allows him to either back up or re-position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 898 posts 14,523 battles Report post #15 Posted February 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said: What is worse is dds smoking up themselves when there is no reason for it. And I blame Jingles for that. Enemy dd spotted -> instant smoke and no chance for the team to help the dd... When I am in my Leander, Fiji etc, I always try and join a DD when he caps, but Indo insist that he MUST stay stealth as I will smoke up when he has spotted an enemy DD/CA that is just about to spot me, so that Incan deal with said enemy while he torps the cap, a winning combination unless the DD smokes up and leaves us both blind 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,161 posts 11,384 battles Report post #16 Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Boris_MNE said: ? Any person with greater iq than 2 will already know that. Those under this magical number probably do not visit forum anyways. Conclussion: topic useless :D The topic is to gerneral anyhow if i had 2 fires aplyed to me shortly after a damcon i woulld love to get smoked for example but yea most BBs wouldt be able not to click their MG every 30 to 20 sek so its preobably wasted..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[4_0_4] Zemeritt Players 6,014 posts 12,306 battles Report post #17 Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said: Hey DD players, here's one thing I thought would have been obvious to you - stop smoking up allied BBs Was it a good idea like half-a-year ago? Yeah, it was. Is it a good idea now? No, it's actually the opposite. Unless you plan to be spotting ahead of that smokescreen - that BB won't see anything, you make him blind as a bat. You know who isn't going to blind? The enemy team, because for 20s after firing the guns BB WILL BE SEEN DESPITE YOUR SMOKE. All you do is make your BB blind and give enemies the chance to rush it and torp it from close range. Unless you are trying to lose - stop it already! How about: BB stop firing when a DD smokes you up to heal/retreat from an area? Usually the BBob just continues to unleash his guns, despite being below 4k HP and broadside on to multiple enemies? But no, just keep on shooting in case of a DD making the attempt to save your a**. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] wilkatis_LV [ADRIA] Players 4,945 posts 7,402 battles Report post #18 Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Ok, lets sum up ALL of your comments: Quote It's good to smoke up a BB when it's focused and needs to retreat Interesting how specific your description of the situation is. Helping the BB to retreat - obviously a smart idea, but lets think how often that's the case compared to Edited becuase "my be guut teammatu, my skoeru up ze BehBeh!" Blinding your teammate while leaving him exposed to all enemies is probably one of the most idiotic things DD players are doing right now And no, I'm not expecting them to read this, as even i they did - chances are tEdited to understand But hey, we all can hope for that miracle... Edited February 22, 2018 by Asklepi0s This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] xxNihilanxx [NWP] Beta Tester 1,715 posts 12,392 battles Report post #19 Posted February 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said: What is worse is dds smoking up themselves when there is no reason for it. And I blame Jingles for that. Enemy dd spotted -> instant smoke and no chance for the team to help the dd... Yep, that's only one of my biggest bug-bears in this game. "Listen, you muppet, I followed your sorry arse to the cap in my super squishy cruiser so that I could help you with the enemy DD. Now you are in smoke, I am blind and the enemy DD is lighting me up for the rest of his team. And if that isn't bad enough you are going to die to torps in 4...3...2...1...BOOM!" 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] wilkatis_LV [ADRIA] Players 4,945 posts 7,402 battles Report post #20 Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Zemeritt said: How about: BB stop firing when a DD smokes you up to heal/retreat from an area? Usually the BBob just continues to unleash his guns, despite being below 4k HP and broadside on to multiple enemies? But no, just keep on shooting in case of a DD making the attempt to save your a**. And if I'm not being focused down / retreating? What if I'm exactly where I want to be except for that moron killing my ability to see while I'm still visible becuase I fired just before he smoked me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 604 posts 8,640 battles Report post #21 Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said: Hey DD players, here's one thing I thought would have been obvious to you - stop smoking up allied BBs Was it a good idea like half-a-year ago? Yeah, it was. Is it a good idea now? No, it's actually the opposite. Unless you plan to be spotting ahead of that smokescreen - that BB won't see anything, you make him blind as a bat. You know who isn't going to blind? The enemy team, because for 20s after firing the guns BB WILL BE SEEN DESPITE YOUR SMOKE. All you do is make your BB blind and give enemies the chance to rush it and torp it from close range. Unless you are trying to lose - stop it already! I use to give smoke to battleships that need smoke to get away. Give them a chance to heal and escape. They usually thank me for that since very few destroyers give smoke to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 4,147 posts 16,928 battles Report post #22 Posted February 13, 2018 I LOVE getting smoked up in my Bismarck with enemies within 11 klicks Spoiler 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[4_0_4] Zemeritt Players 6,014 posts 12,306 battles Report post #23 Posted February 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said: And if I'm not being focused down / retreating? What if I'm exactly where I want to be except for that moron killing my ability to see while I'm still visible becuase I fired just before he smoked me? Just drive out of it? IF you`re still spotted in the smoke there has been less then 20 seconds since you last fired your guns, which means they`re still reloading anyways? So you would still get shot at despite being unable to retaliate? (Unless you`re firing your turrents in single fire style) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 604 posts 8,640 battles Report post #24 Posted February 13, 2018 Hey Battleship players. Stop whine about just everyhting and start help your destroyers instead of camp at the map edge and spam he. Start to play as a TEAM instead of being egoistic. Start appreciate your little friends instead. They are after all those who spot for camping coward battlewagons. Follow them. Give them some kind of support instead of just whin and complain. Do YOUR part. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wildf1re Players 185 posts 3,446 battles Report post #25 Posted February 13, 2018 Hmm, pretty devoid of nuance. Smoked up a BB yesterday giving him a chance to heal after he overextended. He healed up and proceeded to thereafter devestate the two BBs that had him pinned down moments before. Smoked up another BB today that made the "turn of death" for some reason, saving his a:::. However you do have a point, you gotta keep on spotting so you do not blind the rest of the team - and the BB gotta know not to fire other wise its a waste. So its not so black and white as to never smoke up a BB or a cruiser for that matter - or even another DD that is in troble. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
