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HMS Queen Elizabeth

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Very happy to see HMS Queen Elizabeth arriving in Gibraltar today. Its the first time Ive seen her in the flesh... WOW!! :D 

 

 Took a video but The file size is too big so I will upload somewhere else and link it for anyone interested.

 

If anyone else has any pictures of the QE they'd like to share feel free to add them.

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Here's a short video clip of her being towed in by the Gibraltar Pilots. She is being Escorted by Gibraltar Squadron HMS Scimitar and The Royal Gibraltar Police marine section as well as a small flotilla of private boats who went out early this morning to see her in.

 

 

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That pic gives a sense of just how large she is. I know it's not US supercarrier large, but in all honesty the QE class seem like they could be more practical to operate. It's a shame that ships are just painted that dull grey nowadays, she would look amazing in a dazzle camouflage. Anyway, it's about time a British aircraft carrier was operational again. 

Well done with the photo and video!

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I saw her at Portsmouth but no pictures sadly as my phone is camera less. I really struggle to see the advantage of the 2 island construction, I feel it will cause problems and as for having to have yank planes how barmy is that. 

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4 hours ago, Captain_T_Hardy said:

I saw her at Portsmouth but no pictures sadly as my phone is camera less. I really struggle to see the advantage of the 2 island construction, I feel it will cause problems and as for having to have yank planes how barmy is that. 

Probably the two island structure will work just fine in peacetime. IIRC, it keeps the flight deck operations and the sailing stuff separate, so there will be less tripping over each other at busy times. But in combat, if a phone line between the islands goes down it is a long way to run to get instructions via word of mouth.

As for US planes, the FAA (Fleet Air Arm) has used US aircraft since at least WWII: Martlets, Corsairs, Avengers, Phantoms etc. So I have no issue, I think the F-35 is actually a good-looking jet.

I have two issues with the QE class' design. First are the deck-edge lifts. I guess they are faster than lifts in the flight deck, but in a world with many nasty weapons you would think that the hangar crew should have a degree of protection against NBC threats. These deck edge lifts may be hard to seal (but who knows, my thinking is based on WWII USN and RN carrier designs, so I'm probably wide of the mark!)

The other issue is her massive size. Yes, this gives it a larger hangar and the ability to operate larger aircraft (as long as they are V/STOL), but one hit and the ship spend the next few weeks in the docks for repairs. With only two CV's, that effectively halves the fleets firepower. Maybe a few, smaller carriers would have been more effective, just a bit bigger than the old Invincible class through-deck cruisers. Spread the planes around, then less is lost if a CV has to withdraw.

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On 13/02/2018 at 12:27 PM, Captain_T_Hardy said:

I really struggle to see the advantage of the 2 island construction, I feel it will cause problems and as for having to have yank planes how barmy is that. 

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/the-reasons-hms-queen-elizabeth-has-two-islands/

 

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On 2/13/2018 at 5:18 PM, Centurion_1711 said:

 

As for US planes, .....

I have two issues with the QE class' design....

Slight misunderstanding - no FAA fixed wing aircraft initially, but it will use USN fixed wing squadrons 'when needed' and also for operational training.

 

My main issue with the use of 'Large Carriers' is that they will need more support than the RN can physically provide to actually operate safely in a hostile environment (they cannot even fully crew the ships they do have at present). The Russian commentator said that they are 'a large target' is correct, unless she (they) is(are) expected to be part of a NATO squadron at all times.

 

Secondary issue is that there are only 2 of them, 1 on duty, 1 in transit/training 1 in refit...oops, ran out of ships, and that is without combat damage.

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2 hours ago, philjd said:

My main issue with the use of 'Large Carriers' is that they will need more support than the RN can physically provide to actually operate safely in a hostile environment (they cannot even fully crew the ships they do have at present). The Russian commentator said that they are 'a large target' is correct, unless she (they) is(are) expected to be part of a NATO squadron at all times.

I think that the Royal Navy's times of being self-sufficient may be in the past. Back in WWI and WWII their carriers and Battleships were always well escorted by British ships, but nowadays I think the QE-class will end up operating closely with French, US, Canadian etc. Naval forces to ensure proper protection. I guess it forces the world to stay friends, but handicaps the Admiralty if they wanted to operate independently.

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Secondary issue is that there are only 2 of them, 1 on duty, 1 in transit/training 1 in refit...oops, ran out of ships, and that is without combat damage.

I think the idea is that we shouldn't be fighting wars too often, so don't need to spend too heavily. Also carriers are flagships, so will be far away from the action, safely screened by... ships of some kind. I think I stand by saying that smaller carriers were better: More available for rotation, or a bigger pot of money for commissioning new frigates and destroyers. Who knows? Maybe HMS Belfast will be pressed into service if it all kicks off in the world...

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