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What cruiser line would you recommend for a newbie player?I tried the russian cruiser line and it seems very nice to me but what about the other lines?What cruiser line is more forgivable or has better high tier cruisers?

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Do note that these Nation descriptions do NOT apply to Premium ships, which tend to be unique among their class/nation.

 

Cruisers: Cruisers have the widest array of utility of any class by far. Some have devastating AA, some have Radar to see through Smoke, some have high rates of fire, some have high stealth and long-range torpedoes, and some even get smoke. Reasonably fast, good and reliable damage, and agile, Cruisers are quite easily the team's major damage output if played correctly, but if not played correctly, they are destroyed incredibly easily. Now as for each Nation....

 

     America: The USN's Cruisers tends to have some of the best guns of any Cruiser line, having good fire chances, good penetration on the AP, and fantastic stealth. The real draw to them is their escort and support abilities, which are easily the best in the entire game. Only the Tier 4 Phoenix, Tier 5 Omaha, and Tier 7 Premium Atlanta have torpedoes equipped, which can cause issues in close ranged engagements, but the power and effectiveness of the AA and guns are hopefully good enough to make up for it. US Cruisers have a great rate of fire for their caliber, fantastic stealth, and long-lasting Radar starting at Tier 8. The US' Cruisers are difficult to use well, and I can only recommend the ships past Tier 6 for experienced cruiser players, but you can turn an entire fight around if your US Cruiser play is on-point.

 

     Japan: Imperial Cruisers are equipped with long range torpedoes and numerous and/or powerful guns. They're fast, have powerful armaments, but aren't very responsive. The guns have the slowest rotation of any cruiser line and have a decidedly average reload, and they don't turn particularly well. They work best from behind other ships, and where they have the range to deal damage but also have the freedom to cease fire and stealth-up again, where they can launch torpedoes from stealth if things go South. They lack the utility of other cruisers, including AA and Radar, but they make up for it with pure damage output and stealthiness.

 

     Germany: Germany's Cruisers are all about the Armor Piercing. Their guns are the same size or smaller than their contemporaries, but are considered high-velocity, meaning the shells fly fast, straight and accurate, as well as making the AP devastating while the HE suffers. They also have some of the fastest-turning turrets on any Cruisers. Their Hydroacoustic Searches go out wider than any other nation's, but the quality of their AA tends to vary widely. From bow-on, German Cruisers tend to be very reluctant to take damage from other Cruisers. In return, hitting them anywhere else will hurt them quite a bit. They tend to have 6 kilometer-range torpedoes mounted on the sides, and they get a fairly good number of them later on in the tiers. They do have good gun range, but I find that they work equally well at brawling should it come to that.

 

     Russia: Russia's Cruisers are the fastest Cruisers in the game, the longest ranged, and the fastest reload of almost any cruiser depending on the tier. However, they turn worse than most battleships, have awful armor, their torpedoes may as well not exist and the detection is terrible. They're dedicated support ships with great range, good AA and long-range Radar. Their massive detect ranges make them incredibly hard to carry matches with, but work very well in Divisions where you can easily coordinate with teammates. The incredibly low-caliber of their guns makes the Captain Skill "IFHE" almost mandatory on every ship until the Tier 10 ship, Moskva, which has massive guns for a Cruiser, at which point IFHE becomes useless, thus requiring a respec for your captain.

 

     Britain: Britain's light cruiser line isn't anything like the other nations'. They're equipped with smoke generators and a repair consumable to help compensate for their atrocious armor. However, they do not get the Defensive Fire ability that every other cruiser (and even some Carriers) get, nor do they get High Explosive rounds. Instead, they get Semi-Armor Piercing rounds, which are very very hard to bounce. The Brits also get 152mm guns that reload extremely fast, but do very little damage and have long shell travel times. They're fast and can accelerate while turning, and have good detection ranges. Frankly, these act more like Destroyers than cruisers. But notably, the smoke deploys for an incredibly short period of time, and the ships take a long time to slow and stop, making the smoke quite difficult to use.

 

     France: The French cruisers are like a combination of the Japanese and Russian cruisers, with an Engine Boost consumable attached. The AA is poor and the citadels are large and obvious, but they have torpedoes with good range and 203mm guns with great HE, like the Japanese, and they're very fast, have excellent range and a good rate of fire, like the Russians. The AP is indeed strong, but it has abysmal penetration values, meaning it should only ever be used at very close ranges. They do NOT get radar and the concealment values are either average or outright bad depending on the tier.

 

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I would recomend either German CL/CA's or Russian DD line with turret focus. Cruisers in general are underrepresented due being to weak going to high tiers so the German line finds a decent balance of staying fun to play even in high tiers if you focus on your role or you go for Russian DD gunboats that technically do the same shenigans but lack the usual kit of cruisers like sonar, radar and def AA.

 

The definition of fun is diferent for each person and as far as easy to play, true cruiser gameplay is harder as you progres trough the tiers so you would be better of playing the Russian DD line that dips it's fingers in both CL and DD gameplay.

(Being flimsy forces you to hone your situational avareness, and that goes a long way for your further gaming experience to)

 

For your consideration @taraza40

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If we just look at Tier 10, Hindenburg is the best cruiser you can find.

But I didn't really like the ships before her. I prefer IJN cruisers on midtiers and Zao is very strong as well.

So my recommendation would be Japanese or German cruisers.

 

You can try both or decide for one.

If you want to test the hightier ships asap, you can take part in the next public test https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/pt-guide/

Ship costs are greatly reduced so you can get all T10 ships with just a few games and see which one you like more.

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2 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

If we just look at Tier 10, Hindenburg is the best cruiser you can find.

But I didn't really like the ships before her. I prefer IJN cruisers on midtiers and Zao is very strong as well.

So my recommendation would be Japanese or German cruisers.

 

You can try both or decide for one.

If you want to test the hightier ships asap, you can take part in the next public test https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/pt-guide/

Ship costs are greatly reduced so you can get all T10 ships with just a few games and see which one you like more.

I tried both of them in the clan wars and they felt very powerful(same for Moskva).But i want to have fun on the way to tier 10 ,not just the tier 10.For example:I don't mind if Moskva underperforms for me because i had really great fun from tier 3 to 7 so far in these russian cruisers.

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If you want to start to grind a line right now I would recommend the US line.

The reason for this is not necessarily the playstyle but because this line will be split in the upcoming months into 2 seperate lines from Tier 5 onwards.

 

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If you have for example a (now) T6 Cleveland (which is a very good ship) in your port you will receive the upcoming T8 Cleveland for free when the split happens.

 

 

If you liked the RU cruisers up to T7, the French line has a pretty similar playstyle and is pretty strong up and including T8.

The T9 and T10 are good ships, but don't necessarily have the impact potential like a DM/Moskva with Radar or the allrounder Hindenburg

 

 

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The japanese line is the most consistant : there is simply no bad ship in it. They have good stealth, good HE and torps with long range.

 

The US line has the advantage of giving more ships after the split coming this spring, and has strong utility at high tiers.

 

The german line ends with a very strong ship, but there are several (T5 to 7 mostly) that are highly fragile and punish you with a return to port at the slightiest mistake.

 

The russian line has very good guns, but suffers from bad stealth. Moreover, some ships are not really great.

 

The english line is very fragile but has a huge DPM aand relies on smoke to hide and farm damage.

 

The french line is halfway betweeen japanese and russian : they spam HE at long range, they do it well but it's not the most fun gameplay.

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I would definitely advise you the German cruisers, that's probably the most forgiving one.

 

They have excellent range allowing you to stay relatively safe. They all can be citadeled  but if you angle well you can bounce a lot of shells, especially from Tier 8 to Tier 10 .  They have hydro witch give you ability to be safe against torpedos and excellent AA to kill planes (at higher tiers).

 

Others:

Japan : Mogami is horrible for beginners and the others are not easy because of shorter ranges

USA: Some are easier (Cleveland) but some are very difficult to play (New Orleans) because very very fragile

UK: Hard because you rely on smoke and that's not easy to use adequately

Russian: Nice but more squishy than German ones 

French: At tier 7+, you have to know how to aim and how to dodge to make them work. So not the easier to use. At all tiers, using our speed to avoid shells is key and that need some experience. 

 

German ones are all playable consistently, they all can bounce and are agile enough to dodge at long range. Always use all rudershift boost modules though.

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Russians cruisers are the easiest to do well in, as they have great gun range and allows for a more safe gameplay. The cost is a reduced influence in matches, but they still can do wonders. Donskoi was clearly my favourite tier 9 cruiser, and the whole line have good ship and basically no painful ship.

 

You need IFHE as soon as possible however. It's a mandatory skill from Budyonny to Donskoi.

 

The only exception of the russian line is the Chapayev, since it also have very low detection range (lower than radar range actually) which allows to play a bit closer. However it is squishy.

Contrary to the rest of the line, Moskva is a difficult ship. It's powerful, it's fun, but difficult. The citadel is huge and the ship have the second worst concealment ingame, which makes the beginning of the game in particular very delicate.

 

 

French aren't bad, but they lack overall utility, so unless you know what you're doing, I won't recommend them.

 

Japanese (IJN) cruisers are very good from tier 5 to 10 again. However Mogami very short range at tier 8 makes it far from easy to play. And Ibuki is a bit underwhelming IMO. But the whole line is a solid choice.

 

 

German have very meh tier 7-8, but they works. Hindenburg however is VERY worth the grind. It's my recommendation for a first tier 10 CA.

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I would definately go for the german cruisers, I think they have the overall best cruisers in all tiers (With a few exceptions) ... they are powerful and more forgiving if you make mistakes.

 

I find the English more fun to play, especially the Leander is a really cool ship and you can do heaps of damage ... a Close race between English and Japanese who I favor the most after the Germans

 

The Japanese are a safe but imo a tad boring until you get the Zao ... the japs are sturdy and like ze Germans a good Choice for first or second grind

 

So thats my 2 cents about my 3 favored cruiserlines: 1. German 2. Japanese and 3. English

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2 minutes ago, Ulvesnutepostei said:

I would definately go for the german cruisers, I think they have the overall best cruisers in all tiers (With a few exceptions) ... they are powerful and more forgiving if you make mistakes.

 

I find the English more fun to play, especially the Leander is a really cool ship and you can do heaps of damage ... a Close race between English and Japanese who I favor the most after the Germans

 

The Japanese are a safe but imo a tad boring until you get the Zao ... the japs are sturdy and like ze Germans a good Choice for first or second grind

 

So thats my 2 cents about my 3 favored cruiserlines: 1. German 2. Japanese and 3. English

If you say that i should try the german cruisers then i will try,it won't be very hard since i already have the other tier 8 ships(z23 and bismarck both with lvl 15 captains)and 2 german premium ships.The reasons i didn't started to play them before is because i saw a lot of negative reviews for Karl,Koeniggsberg,Nurnberg,Yorck and Hipper.

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15 minutes ago, taraza40 said:

If you say that i should try the german cruisers then i will try,it won't be very hard since i already have the other tier 8 ships(z23 and bismarck both with lvl 15 captains)and 2 german premium ships.The reasons i didn't started to play them before is because i saw a lot of negative reviews for Karl,Koeniggsberg,Nurnberg,Yorck and Hipper.

You can find bad reviews of any ship if look long enough ...

 

Like all ships in this game there upsides and downsides to every ship and the Germans are no exception but like I said they are prolly the most forgiving if you screw up and they can both deal and take damage better than the other cruiserlines in general ... okay the Yorck have some issues and the Hipper may not be the best at Tier 8 but they are both fair and reliable ships on the way to prolly the 2 best cruisers in the game ... the Roon at Tier 9 and Hindenburg at Tier 10

 

Good Luck any witch Choice you make and dont forget to have fun on the way, thats essentially the most important thing on this ride :Smile_child:

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13 hours ago, taraza40 said:

If you say that i should try the german cruisers then i will try,it won't be very hard since i already have the other tier 8 ships(z23 and bismarck both with lvl 15 captains)and 2 german premium ships.The reasons i didn't started to play them before is because i saw a lot of negative reviews for Karl,Koeniggsberg,Nurnberg,Yorck and Hipper.

Funnily I have my best Personal rating and best survability of all T6+ cruisers on the Hipper (~75%). I have quite lower survability on the Nurmberg but still 45k+ damage on her. So she's probably more fragile but still she's a very good damage dealer thanks to her excellent range / reload. Königsberg is also very good . Just stay sure to be at distance, angled or even better hidden while shooting.

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i suggest to try German line Hinderburg is a good ship specialy for new players

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I agree the German line is probably the most forgiving line for newcomers simply because they have troll armour sometimes (except the Nernburg).

 

That said I think Cruisers are better played by experienced players, I think Battleships are generally the better way to become acquainted with the game, I played cruisers in the Closed Beta and hated them, played BB's for a year and enjoyed them although they do feel a bit ponderous, a few years on and cruisers are now my favourite class.

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15 minutes ago, ThePluckyBrit said:

I agree the German line is probably the most forgiving line for newcomers simply because they have troll armour sometimes (except the Nernburg).

 

That said I think Cruisers are better played by experienced players, I think Battleships are generally the better way to become acquainted with the game, I played cruisers in the Closed Beta and hated them, played BB's for a year and enjoyed them although they do feel a bit ponderous, a few years on and cruisers are now my favourite class.

I played 450 games in battleships and i already had enough.Crusiers are way easier to play for me considering the fact that most bb players are like stormtroopers.Same goes for dds same goes for CVs,way easier to play than battleships(at least for me).

+I played some cruisers in the test server and did very well in them:Donskoi,Moskva,Myoko,Ibuki,Zao,Hipper,Roon,Hindy,Fiji,Edinburgh,Neptune,Minotaur(Especially this one).

Should i consider getting them?(the list starts from Myoko)

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On 13-2-2018 at 9:54 AM, Nautical_Metaphor said:

Always get in on the line that was most recently introduced.

 

Familiarize yourself with the concept of 'powercreep'.

I think the new French BBs aren't that good? The Pan Asian DDs didn't seem too OP either.

Some of the more recent premiums seem quite OP though.

 

I do agree that powercreep is something that wouldn't be healthy for balance. Instead of complementing the game, these would make the older content absolete.

 

I did kinda like Nurnberg, though it's been a while since I last played it.

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1 minute ago, NothingButTheRain said:

I think the new French BBs aren't that good? The Pan Asian DDs didn't seem too OP either.

Some of the more recent premiums seem quite OP though.

 

I do agree that powercreep is something that wouldn't be healthy for balance. Instead of complementing the game, these would make the older content absolete.

 

I did kinda like Nurnberg, though it's been a while since I last played it.

Lyon and richelieu are kinda good imo.

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13 minutes ago, taraza40 said:

Lyon and richelieu are kinda good imo.

I definitely agree with you on Richelieu! :Smile_great:

I'm not so sure about Lyon, but only played it a couple times on the test server.

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Vor 32 Minuten, NothingButTheRain sagte:

I did kinda like Nurnberg, though it's been a while since I last played it.

Nürnberg has its moments but the way there... Dresden is sweet - Kolberg is basically a Dresden on Tier III which is not so good. Karlsruhe = diabolical punishment. Königsberg still much too squishy for the messed-up matchmaking and not even in the same ballgame as Omaha (as long as you don't upgrade the latter to the last hull and lose two guns.)

Strangely, having brought myself up on extremely aggressive German low tier DDs seems to have completely ruined me for German Cruisers and instead set me up for American ones. I'd take Cleveland over Nürnberg any day of the week, torps or no. Aoba is sheer sweetness - Furutaka's citadels... great to behold those big shells slam into paper ships on T5.

But when I think of OP cruisers, the first thing that comes to mind is the British, mainly Leander and Fiji, as well as some Russian ones. With the French, at least they made DeGrasse a premium ship. I bought a Murmansk way back and only found out two weeks ago what I had been missing and how stupid that spotter plane really is and how crappy that whole ship is, compared to the not-fully-upgraded Omaha with the two extra guns and two extra torp launchers.

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Rank US cruisers up to Cleveland and keep Cleveland in your port for the upcoming US cruiser changes. You'll get a free T8 Cleveland and T6 Pensacola afterwards. Ideally you should have both New Orleans and Cleveland in your port when the cruiser change comes, with T7 Pensacola sold.

 

You can play any line you find fun. You don't lose credits for bad play in lower tiers.

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