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Well

two days ago, I resumed my grind in  German cruisers t5 because I was looking recently at the 27mm bow armour of some of them.

But until now I didn't find anything special, but that doesn't differs so much of all the other lines.

the t5 one it's like a little sparrow pecking here and there and that's all fine by me when you are supporting but when it's needed a little muscle, well, better not count with it. Specially when down tier. Provides funny moments and a change of pace, thou. 

So, I just free xp 19 k into the t6 that will be the same thing.

(and yes, I did see the videos and read what was wrote about them)

York and Hipper?

Would I like them?

It is worth it?

On paper they seem ok to me, but perhaps I'm comparing them to t6s.

 

 

 

 

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I found in my hipper I was mostly left alone by the enemy due to most people don't take the hipper as a threat

its worth the grind though as the roon is very nice

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I liked the Hipper, hated the yorck. 

 

But Roon and Hindy are worth it 100%

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I'm redoing them on NA. Have done like 10 games in Nberg. I was a total noob when I did them on EU. 

 

What I found? The Karlsruhe is op. No kidding. Same for Nberg, but that gets countered by matchmaking. Just find waifu island until most red bbs have been farmed... Euh.. Killed. KBerg is OK, but also horrid matchmaking... 

 

So I'm curious what I will think of my second run with York soon. I didn't get the hate that a lot of people have for it. I'm only afraid it will look so much weaker than Nberg... 

 

Roon and especially hinden are very very good ships. They will make it worth it. 

 

Leaves one... Hipper... A meh ship at best, though gorgeous, but the matchmaking. O my God that matchmaking... 

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Avoid them if you're aiming for tier 7 and 8. Both Yorck and Hipper are pretty turdish atm. Roon and Hindenburgh are both good, if you like kiting/spamming gameplay with occasional push.

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28 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

Well

two days ago, I resumed my grind in  German cruisers t5 because I was looking recently at the 27mm bow armour of some of them.

But until now I didn't find anything special, but that doesn't differs so much of all the other lines.

 

Yes. Without IFHE 152mm guns can't penetrate 25mm or armour, Mogami with 155mm guns can penetrate up to and including 26mm. So 27mm gives you quite protection against 152/155mm HE shells, without IFHE. Not sure if it have any effect against BB guns tho. 

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Actually one of the most satisfying moments in WoWs is when you are in a Roon, brawling. 

 

Battleships sees cruiser and opens up angle to use all guns, you survive first volley thanks to overpens and then rip them a apart with AP. Awesome DPS. You don't even need your torpedos. 

 

At range (Which i had modded to 20.7km) you can get great HE damage, the guns reload fast and are accurate to max range.

 

Just unlocked the Hindenburg, played 1 battle and it seems even better.

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Koenigsberg has a deadly AP punch.

Nuernberg is slightly stronger one tier higher, basicly making her weaker per tier.

Yorck is a HE spammer.

From Hipper on german cruisers are tough and punchy vs broadside targets, even battleships can get punished.

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2 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Well

two days ago, I resumed my grind in  German cruisers t5 because I was looking recently at the 27mm bow armour of some of them.

But until now I didn't find anything special, but that doesn't differs so much of all the other lines.

the t5 one it's like a little sparrow pecking here and there and that's all fine by me when you are supporting but when it's needed a little muscle, well, better not count with it. Specially when down tier. Provides funny moments and a change of pace, thou. 

So, I just free xp 19 k into the t6 that will be the same thing.

(and yes, I did see the videos and read what was wrote about them)

York and Hipper?

Would I like them?

It is worth it?

On paper they seem ok to me, but perhaps I'm comparing them to t6s.

 

 

 

 

Yorck= crap

Hipper= crap

t9 = oki doki

hindi = death star

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I like Hipper. It has reasonably good AP & gun range and excellent AA (well, I have an AA build in it). Somewhat slow, but a nice gunboat all the same. I've kept it. :cap_cool:

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4 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

I like Hipper. It has reasonably good AP & gun range and excellent AA (well, I have and AA build in it). Somewhat slow, but a nice gunboat all the same. I've kept it. :cap_cool:

it just lacks DPS and has powerhouse of cruisers in his tier - .......slow reloading guns is just not enought to compete with Kutuzov, Atago, Chapaev (radar!)...well with any of them...

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I've free exped Yorck, I couldn't handle her guns even on test server. Hipper on other hand I've found to be a keeper - tough cruiser, capable AA, guns needs some time to get used to, but AP against anything broadside can deal uncomfortable amount of damage. Disliked Roon for turret layout, Konig/Nurnberg are saved by 360 rear turret traverse tho. Hinden can be brutal, but speed is uncomfortably slow.

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Well, it citadels both Chapa and Kutuzov pretty well... Atago is tough tho, but has slower gun reload and only half the AA of Hipper. Her torps are far superior tho and of course there is the heal. It is not necessarily the best in her tier. I admit that but it is not hopelessly terrible either. :cap_tea:

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1 hour ago, Butterdoll said:

 

the t5 one it's like a little sparrow pecking here and there and that's all fine by me when you are supporting but when it's needed a little muscle, well, better not count with it. Specially when down tier. 

So, I just free xp 19 k into the t6 that will be the same thing.

(and yes, I did see the videos and read what was wrote about them)

On paper they seem ok to me, but perhaps I'm comparing them to t6s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

oooo you can not be more wrong about taht t5 sparrow and if you have 19pt cpt and you see videos as you say than you should now about IF-HE on t5 and 6 KM cruisers - they are beast with if-he and that reload and Nurnberg with that 360 2 turret on back  omg  :)

 

you need to learn too kite with them and spam - they have 16.5 km range and fast shell and that is some best velocity shell in game 960m/s only RU cruiser have same .., and second thing you will have to learn to use those 2 ( t5/6 ) because Roon is the same tactics ship with 200mm shells and far better troll armor and Hini is same but with 4x3 instead of 3x3..

 

York and Hipper will be hard grind perhaps but you should enjoy t5/6 if you want T9/10 of KM cruisers - to me T5 Königsberg is maybe best silver t5 ship

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I absolutly love(d) the yorck.

Hipper not so much, but more to do with the fact that it get's uptiered a lot.

Roon is an improvement over Hipper, but still not really my cup of tea.

The little things I missed in Roon; well I found them in Hindenburg. It's a worthy tier X of the German line.

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4 minutes ago, Cime said:

 

 

oooo you can not be more wrong about taht t5 sparrow and if you have 19pt cpt and you see videos as you say than you should now about IF-HE on t5 and 6 KM cruisers - they are beast with if-he and that reload and Nurnberg with that 360 2 turret on back  omg  :)

 

...you do realize IFHE pretty much does not benefit KM 150mm guns whatsoever because they already the 1/4 pen natively right? And besides, who puts a 19pt captain on a T5 cruiser, or judges a ship by that ridiculous standard?

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5 minutes ago, Cime said:

 

 

oooo you can not be more wrong about taht t5 sparrow and if you have 19pt cpt and you see videos as you say than you should now about IF-HE on t5 and 6 KM cruisers - they are beast with if-he and that reload and Nurnberg with that 360 2 turret on back  omg  :)

 

you need to learn too kite with them and spam - they have 16.5 km range and fast shell and that is some best velocity shell in game 960m/s only RU cruiser have same .., and second thing you will have to learn to use those 2 ( t5/6 ) because Roon is the same tactics ship with 200mm shells and far better troll armor and Hini is same but with 4x3 instead of 3x3..

 

York and Hipper will be hard grind perhaps but you should enjoy t5/6 if you want T9/10 of KM cruisers - to me T5 Königsberg is maybe best silver t5 ship

Eh. German cruisers don't need ifhe. Their he doesn't pen for caliber/6 but caliber/4.

 

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Yup Hipper would need a little love from WG - I think 10sec reload would solve a lot of problem .., we have a lot of very good to excellent t8 cruisers only Hipper is crapy :(   Martel fast hard to hit firestarter, Mogami 155 IF_HE beast, Atago with heal and 12km radar Chapy with great guns and range and reload  - only Hipper is like T6.5 cruiser, he need 10 sec reload or heal

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i dont like he spamming mechanic, so the hipper is pretty fun to me, citadelling CAs and doing 6 0r 7k salvos on broadsided BBs.

Anyway there will be matches where u dont have any broadsided enemy and your dmg will suffer a lot

 

Like the guy before me says, the hipper needs faster reload

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German cruisers are okay-underwhelming up to tier 9.
 

Once you get to Roon youll fall in live unless you only have 1 intact braincell. Then when you get to Hindy... oh god what a lovely cruiser it is.

 

Hipper and Kberg are the only two "okay" cruisers in the line, Yorck and Nberg does nothing that other cruisers cant to better. So get your grind on and keep fighting till Roon.

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5 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

...you do realize IFHE pretty much does not benefit KM 150mm guns whatsoever because they already the 1/4 pen natively right?

 

I do know that but I just tested 2 10 skill cpt. one with IF-HE and other without on Nurnberg and don't know why but Nurnberg with IF-HE cpt deals a good deal more damage per salvo !!??

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2 minutes ago, Cime said:

 

I do know that but I just tested 2 10 skill cpt. one with IF-HE and other without on Nurnberg and don't know why but Nurnberg with IF-HE cpt deals a good deal more damage per salvo !!??

confirmation bias/RNG.

And besides, even if it provided any benefit, I know I'd not be terribly inclined to cut my already garbage fire chance almost in half by taking IFHE...

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Nurnberg is pretty much the only 150mm-armed Cruiser I do not have IFHE on, but that is mostly due to reduction in fire chance and nothing more. Also because I find that I get enough damage even without it (4 points is a lot). Not really sure either way tho. Jury is still out for me on this one. :cap_hmm:

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3 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Nurnberg is pretty much the only 150mm-armed Cruiser I do not have IFHE on, but that is mostly due to reduction in fire chance and nothing more. Also because I find that I get enough damage even without it (4 points is a lot). Not really sure either way tho. Jury is still out for me on this one. :cap_hmm:

And you don't need it unless you really need 48mm of HE penetration... which doesn't give you all that much. 

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