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I didn`t play the game for several months and i start to wonder why i did come back but anyway .... What is the idea of defeating British BB ? They just spam HE so there is no difference what are you playing they will just set fires on you all day long. You can`t set them on fire or make flooding they will just repair . So any advice ? I really think playing tier 8 9 10 sux a lot and one of the reason is this -> British BB ...

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Topic already open. contains debate on all RN BB's, please read from beginning to end and leave your comment.

 

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well i`m not asking are they op or not just how to deal with them.... no matter i guess i need to figure out on my own..... THANKS A LOT 

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Like, really? On the public test I fired at a Conqueror, using Yamato. Did about 9k damage, but no citadel. Those things are as well-armored as Germans, yet they have friggin broken HE which roasts everything, should I be an HE cancer, or should I continue my grind on Amagi and get Yamato?

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The only way to deal with it is to gang up on it, and not letting it get away, which would waste quite some time during which you will be useless and probably hear lots of flame as the other part of the team will be getting destroyed.

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for lion and conqueror best option is to focus them and finish them quickly. they usually eat ton of HE damage and you can get decent AP volley from time to time.

 

for tiers below t9 they are nothing special.

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36 minutes ago, veso_vn said:

I didn`t play the game for several months and i start to wonder why i did come back but anyway .... What is the idea of defeating British BB ? They just spam HE so there is no difference what are you playing they will just set fires on you all day long. You can`t set them on fire or make flooding they will just repair . So any advice ? I really think playing tier 8 9 10 sux a lot and one of the reason is this -> British BB ...

Certain ships can take more HE shots than others. Therefore it MAKES a difference what you are playing.

UK BB flood and burn like other BB. There is no problem. Just avoid scratching the paint of high tier UK BB. Either you want to really hurt them or focus something else.

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25 minutes ago, veso_vn said:

well i`m not asking are they op or not just how to deal with them.... no matter i guess i need to figure out on my own..... THANKS A LOT 

They're not persistently more fireproof than any other battleship but can repair far more. They have a longer repair cycle however, so fire can be effective if applied persistently. They are vulnerable to concentrated fire from high tiered cruisers, they are more vulnerable to torpedo attacks from destroyers than their contemporary battleships, and they are prey to high tiered carriers.

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6 hours ago, veso_vn said:

They just spam HE so there is no difference what are you playing they will just set fires on you all day long.

Trust me, those aren't nearly as dangerous as the ones actually switching their amo :Smile_teethhappy:

 

RN BBs simply have good HE, and CCs made a big deal out of it so every potato followed their word like a gospel. Thank RNGesus at least other BBs are going back to AP now, seeing every BB spamming HE was painful.

 

6 hours ago, veso_vn said:

well i`m not asking are they op or not just how to deal with them....

2 different options

  • KGV, DoY, Monarch - just HE spam and burn them, you'll deal with those quicker than with any others
  • Nelson, Lion, Conqueror - burning them is the last thing you want, AP and torps are your best bet. Of course, if they angle - HE still does good dmg, but fires on them are irrelevant. Teamwork is the safest way to quickly deal with them :cap_haloween:

 

QE and those before her (so up to and including t6) - typical dreadnoughts, you deal with them exactly like every other dreadnought.

 

6 hours ago, wtfzazo said:

Those things are as well-armored as Germans

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Don't even need to check your profile to get the unmistakable stench of a potato

 

Here, take a look:

On 12/16/2017 at 3:12 PM, wilkatis_LV said:

Yamato:

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GK:

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Montana:

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Conq:

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Now the question is just if you are educated enough to differentiate between these numbers :cap_like:

 

As you can see Conq goes up to 32mm plating, next closest would be Monty with her 38mm. Lets compare their "HE-penetratablity" (that's not even a word, is it?).

 

32mm:

Can be pen'd with 195+ mm HE at /6

Can be pen'd with 150+ mm HE at /6 with IFHE

Can be pen'd with 130+ mm HE at /4

 

38mm:

Can be pen'd with 231+ mm HE at /6

Can be pen'd with 178+ mm HE at /6 with IFHE

Can be pen'd with 154+ mm HE at /4

 

Now, what ships can pen these armour values?

 

32mm:

BBs - all of them, no matter the /X

DDs - none (unless I've missed that some DD has /4)

CAs - All CAs at 9 and 10 have 203 or higher caliber guns. /X doesn't matter. At 8 you also have cruisers like Kutuzov with 152s. Can pen with IFHE.

 

38mm:

BBs - all of them, no matter the /X

DDs - none of them

CAs - All german cruisers of t8+. Others with 203s or larger calibers if they run IFHE (not commonly done unless you are Notser).

 

And then keep in mind there are 50+ mm platings aswell.

 

In fact, the tier 8 NC is better armoured than the Conqueror is. Literally git gud

 

6 hours ago, wtfzazo said:

should I be an HE cancer, or should I continue my grind on Amagi and get Yamato?

You should go back to tiers 3, 4 and 5 to learn the basics, tier 7 / 8 is already a massive overreach for your abilities

 

 

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3 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Trust me, those aren't nearly as dangerous as the ones actually switching their amo :Smile_teethhappy:

 

RN BBs simply have good HE, and CCs made a big deal out of it so every potato followed their word like a gospel. Thank RNGesus at least other BBs are going back to AP now, seeing every BB spamming HE was painful.

 

2 different options

  • KGV, DoY, Monarch - just HE spam and burn them, you'll deal with those quicker than with any others
  • Nelson, Lion, Conqueror - burning them is the last thing you want, AP and torps are your best bet. Of course, if they angle - HE still does good dmg, but fires on them are irrelevant. Teamwork is the safest way to quickly deal with them :cap_haloween:

 

QE and those before her (so up to and including t6) - typical dreadnoughts, you deal with them exactly like every other dreadnought.

 

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Don't even need to check your profile to get the unmistakable stench of a potato

 

Here, take a look:

 

In fact, the tier 8 NC is better armoured than the Conqueror is. Literally git gud

 

You should go back to tiers 3, 4 and 5 to learn the basics, tier 7 / 8 is already a massive overreach for your abilities

 

 

I am mostly there atm, don't worry ^ and, I mean with as well-armored as germans, that it cannot be citadelled easily.  And it is not only Conqueror, it is the occasional Bellerophon or Orion on the red team, which I cannot deal with properly due to the lack of citadel to nail - aka no almost unrepairable damage to deal. That's what I mean.

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On 6.2.2018 at 9:11 PM, wtfzazo said:

I am mostly there atm, don't worry ^ and, I mean with as well-armored as germans, that it cannot be citadelled easily.  And it is not only Conqueror, it is the occasional Bellerophon or Orion on the red team, which I cannot deal with properly due to the lack of citadel to nail - aka no almost unrepairable damage to deal. That's what I mean.

If circumstances permit, rush them. Even if not citadel damage, pens in the side hurt and Nassau to König have great reload and nice amount of guns. Just derp them point blank in the side. Yes, you will eat tons of damage in the process, but if you can pull it off, the RN BB eats more or is dead. Fires burn slowly, broadside pens are fast, so you need to keep engagements short and not draw them out to keep it favourable and not play to the RN BB's strengths. And while in a Wyoming this could cost you your ship if the enemy citadels you to death in the drive-by salvo, KM BB has turtleback.

 

Worst case, you still can go for the ram and trade in your ship. Ideally, I'd leave the RN BBs to DDs though, so you can just try kill their friends and open the seas up for the torp-happy lil buggers. Not like you can't wreck low tier cruisers from any angle.

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Counters to Conq from my experience:

- for dds torps, high tier briths have lousy torp prot and cant repair torp dmg (i think it counts as a citadel, because they can reair more from bow hits than from miship hits)

- everything else he of any kind. Everything from cuisers and above will pen.

- Cvs. AA on Conq is in the middle part (superstructure). Its taken out easily by bombs. You will lose first squad, but it will deal dmg and lower aa substantially.

 

WG stated Conq will not be nerfed. Players will have to learn to deal with it.

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On 2018-02-06 at 11:03 AM, veso_vn said:

I didn`t play the game for several months and i start to wonder why i did come back but anyway .... What is the idea of defeating British BB ? They just spam HE so there is no difference what are you playing they will just set fires on you all day long. You can`t set them on fire or make flooding they will just repair . So any advice ? I really think playing tier 8 9 10 sux a lot and one of the reason is this -> British BB ...

According to some people in the other thread Conqueror is perfectly balanced. But i can tell you that if you come up against a good Conq captain their is no way to defeat him. Even 3 ships focusing a Conq cant defeat a good captains since he can go stealth and heal up all damage.

 

Thank god about 70 % of all Conq captains are complete potatoes. I see them every day with 4-500 XP in post battle result, how is that even possible?! You can have a stroke in that ship and still break 1.500.

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31 minutes ago, Oderisson said:

cant repair torp dmg

 

Depends entirely on where you hit. Bow/Stern sections count as normal penetrations.

Thus due to spread you will need to kill Conq in a single salvo (which isn't an easy feat when she has a lot of HP left), otherwise she'll be able to heal up again.

 

Once caught a full hp Conq with a near perfect spread in my Fletcher and got her down to ~5k hp. She went into stealth immediately and the next time I saw her she had almost half HP again.

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49 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

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Once caught a full hp Conq with a near perfect spread in my Fletcher and got her down to ~5k hp. She went into stealth immediately and the next time I saw her she had almost half HP again.

Fletcher OP. Nerf... :Smile_teethhappy:

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On 2/6/2018 at 11:25 AM, wtfzazo said:

Those things are as well-armored as Germans

Good joke...

 

1 hour ago, Oderisson said:

WG stated Conq will not be nerfed. Players will have to learn to deal with it.

When did they say that?

Tho, Conq is already nerfed, his AP a bit.

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Her armor is not so much a problem as the underwater citadel. Combined with the Klingon cloaking devices and heal. You can stoop to the level of the forum idiot and compare armor thickness while completely ignoring the submerged citadel, but all you are going to achieve is making yourself look stupid and biased.

 

The only way to deal with her is of course a Conqueror of your own, or multiple HE spamming Cruisers to focus her. Torps don't really work since she can simply activate her cloaking device and heal back up.

 

And yeah. They wont nerf her. After all players like Willy Wanka need a balanced ship so they can pad their stats.

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1 hour ago, Skyllon said:

Fletcher OP. Nerf... :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Please don't give WG ideas!

 

Next thing we know they will remove torpedoes from DDs at tier 8-10!

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Well yes, but how would we get a British BB focused on, since everything is trying to run away from it, which is the opposite on focusing?

 

It is just this darn citadel. If only it was largish like on other battleships... The problem is they cannot take damage reliably, especially at tier 10 with the super heal. It is very difficult to citadel because of the location of the citadel hitbox itself, but normal pens instead, which can be 50% or 60% healed back, while citadels - only 10%. Destroyers with their torpedoes can deal what is basically citadel damage with only 10% ability to repair, but they are running away due to the broken HE. That's it.

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1 minute ago, wtfzazo said:

Well yes, but how would we get a British BB focused on, since everything is trying to run away from it, which is the opposite on focusing?

 

It is just this darn citadel. If only it was largish like on other battleships... The problem is they cannot take damage reliably, especially at tier 10 with the super heal. It is very difficult to citadel because of the location of the citadel hitbox itself, but normal pens instead, which can be 50% or 60% healed back, while citadels - only 10%. Destroyers with their torpedoes can deal what is basically citadel damage with only 10% ability to repair, but they are running away due to the broken HE. That's it.

Well, that's your team sucking or the Conqueror has backup. But a Conqueror without some good escort is no less inviting a torp target than your average T10 BB, except a GK suspected of not having hydro on. I personally actually picked up IJN DDs again (was up to Isokaze and went from there), because of British BBs (Playing in derp Bayern getting pitted against QE with same gun reload, same gun caliber, better accuracy and better HE is not fun), given that when you rely on not being seen in the first place, what kind of HE the enemy has is meaningless. All that counts is, how good are they at dodging and do they have means of spotting you from afar, like radar/hydro). Still playing IJN, now in higher tiers, British CLs are a pain, but their BBs... The real high tier BB annoyance is the Missouri.

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15 hours ago, Riselotte said:

Well, that's your team sucking or the Conqueror has backup. But a Conqueror without some good escort is no less inviting a torp target than your average T10 BB, except a GK suspected of not having hydro on. I personally actually picked up IJN DDs again (was up to Isokaze and went from there), because of British BBs (Playing in derp Bayern getting pitted against QE with same gun reload, same gun caliber, better accuracy and better HE is not fun), given that when you rely on not being seen in the first place, what kind of HE the enemy has is meaningless. All that counts is, how good are they at dodging and do they have means of spotting you from afar, like radar/hydro). Still playing IJN, now in higher tiers, British CLs are a pain, but their BBs... The real high tier BB annoyance is the Missouri.

And better pen and damage too, QE and Warspite pen better due to their slow velocity (and thus high trajectory, allowing them to get through generally thin deck armor) and 11,4k damage is almost as much as Gneisenau/Bismarck/Derpitz' 38cm.

 

Ohhh and QE turrets are glaciers even with expert marksman.

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10 minutes ago, wtfzazo said:

And better pen and damage too, QE and Warspite pen better due to their slow velocity (and thus high trajectory, allowing them to get through generally thin deck armor) and 11,4k damage is almost as much as Gneisenau/Bismarck/Derpitz' 38cm.

 

Ohhh and QE turrets are glaciers even with expert marksman.

When in Bayern, you don't care that much about pen, because you both just overmatch with 38 cm guns. If you show broadside, sure, you eat damage, but you can pretty much angle perfectly and you are worse off, if the QE angles too. QE can switch to HE and deal massive damage still, while you can just hope some ally helps out. Even if you switched to HE too, your HE is plain worse and your accuracy can be such a joke.

 

Bayern turrets aren't fast either. It's a plain worse ship, except for the turtleback and if you don't potato around showing broadside, that turtleback is so pointless. At least on T7 you get the torps and can try rush the KGV down.

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On 6.2.2018 at 11:38 AM, Azalgor said:

The only way to deal with it is to gang up on it, and not letting it get away, which would waste quite some time during which you will be useless and probably hear lots of flame as the other part of the team will be getting destroyed.

Focus fire will melt them quickly. They eat normal damage like crazy. If they can pew pew from range mostly undisturbed, they are deadly though.

They are also vunerable to CVs and torpedoes. HE spam will kill their AA quickly.

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