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Thanks to the countless streamers and community contributors (you know which) - Battleships are now obsolete and should be removed from the game.

 

We know from history that after the Battle of Midway - Battleships were obsolete and the "Age of Carriers" came about.

 

This is now (due to the before mentioned people) "mirrored" ingame with the fact that Cruisers are now "Forced" to take over the role of "main line ship" / Damage sponge / Damage dealer / etc.   Quickly followed by Destroyers and Carriers.

 

Players using Battleships (INCLUDING GERMAN) are now too afraid of doing any sort of combat activity and as a result have looked to towards the Russian Trawlers for inspiration and are now "fishing" at the back of the map.

Players using Cruisers (As mentioned above) are now beeing forced to deal the damage, be the AA support, (THE RARE FEW who have the IQ for it) to hunt DD's, be damage sponges, roleplay proper battleships, scout, cap, etc, etc. You mention it - Cruisers are "Forced" to do it.

 

Players using Destroyers are (amazingly) still destroyers....sneeking around dropping torps freely without hindrance because no (Or VERY FEW) cruisers has the intelligence to use Hydro (only radar because.....magic) and ofcourse - capping.

Carrier players take 3rd place because its not fully balanced yet (US vs Jap) but they can still perform very well - yet be very unforgiving if you happen to be 1 of those who play with the map turned off.

 

So.....

 

Here is what Wargaming can / should do in order to make this game fit the current play style (Or Meta for you embryos out there) of what we see ingame:

 

Since Battleships are now obsolete - they should be removed from the game. (Just like real life -  Closest we come now is the Russian Kirov Class Cruisers)

Cruisers should be renamed Destroyers and have their aft guns removed (All aft guns) and replaced with Anti-Surface Missiles and a Helicopter armed Torpedos (instead of Fighter plane)

Destroyers Should be renamed Frigates and have their aft guns removed (All aft guns) and replaced with Anti-Surface Missiles and a Helicopter equiped with Radar (to help scouting and also to replace hydro for some ships)

Carriers should be as they are but re-add Jets and upgrade the hulls to add Phalanx CIWS for Anti-Missile defence (Tho they would loose their old AA for this upgrade).

 

Not much would actually change if this were to happen -

Most Cruisers would still sit behind islands and shoot (and some would still use smoke)

Most Destroyers would still smoke as soon as you breath in their direction.

Carriers would still be carriers.

 

No, this post is not a joke - this is genuinely how I feel the game has "devolved" since Alpha test and seeing the game as it is - I feel this would make the game feel more......accurate.....for the current play style (meta for you embryos out there)

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This is a WW2 game. Battleship were relevant during this time. Even if they were overshadowed by carriers. The last battleship confrontation was in 1944, two full years after Midway. Battleships belong in this game.

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or about, CLs doing what they should be doing, ie, supporting with AA and screening DDs,

CAs doing what they should be doing and supporting DDs and CLs as a priority, secondary lending support to BBs with high rates of fire.

BBs should have AA nerfd to reflect how poor they should be against CVs relying on close AA support ships.

 

DDs should do what DDs do...

 

Seems to me that rather than removing groups of ships, we really should solidify the CL CA as separate roles and try get more CVs in games....somehow.

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Should I bite? There is no way this isn't a joke, even if you say it isn't at the end of the post. So many reasons why BBs have an exact 0% chance of being removed.

 

Also, you doubled down on the "meta for you embryos" joke which made me cringe.

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48 minutes ago, Appadang said:

No, this post is not a joke

 

Possibly, but surely a troll.

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Battleships being removed from the game? Let me counter with alternative (and much easier to implement) proposal - remove bad players from the game. :Smile_trollface:

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Fail topic.

 

Type in WoWS into Google.

 

It's a game of battleships don't you know? :Smile_child:

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This is one of the finest troll I've seen here in a long time.

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1 minute ago, Negativvv said:

Fail topic.

 

Type in WoWS into Google.

 

It's a game of battleships don't you know? :Smile_child:

 

That why they should add the post WWII Iowa. Prepare for amazing 12v12 Iowa battles! :cap_rambo:

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Just now, SHDRKN4792 said:

 

That why they should add the post WWII Iowa. Prepare for amazing 12v12 Iowa battles! :cap_rambo:

That emoji is wrong btw if it's rebuild Iowa class, needs one that's just loads of Cruise missiles going off :etc_red_button:

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1 hour ago, Appadang said:

Thanks to the countless streamers and community contributors (you know which) - Battleships are now obsolete and should be removed from the game.

 

We know from history that after the Battle of Midway - Battleships were obsolete and the "Age of Carriers" came about.

 

This is now (due to the before mentioned people) "mirrored" ingame with the fact that Cruisers are now "Forced" to take over the role of "main line ship" / Damage sponge / Damage dealer / etc.   Quickly followed by Destroyers and Carriers.

 

Players using Battleships (INCLUDING GERMAN) are now too afraid of doing any sort of combat activity and as a result have looked to towards the Russian Trawlers for inspiration and are now "fishing" at the back of the map.

Players using Cruisers (As mentioned above) are now beeing forced to deal the damage, be the AA support, (THE RARE FEW who have the IQ for it) to hunt DD's, be damage sponges, roleplay proper battleships, scout, cap, etc, etc. You mention it - Cruisers are "Forced" to do it.

 

Players using Destroyers are (amazingly) still destroyers....sneeking around dropping torps freely without hindrance because no (Or VERY FEW) cruisers has the intelligence to use Hydro (only radar because.....magic) and ofcourse - capping.

Carrier players take 3rd place because its not fully balanced yet (US vs Jap) but they can still perform very well - yet be very unforgiving if you happen to be 1 of those who play with the map turned off.

 

So.....

 

Here is what Wargaming can / should do in order to make this game fit the current play style (Or Meta for you embryos out there) of what we see ingame:

 

Since Battleships are now obsolete - they should be removed from the game. (Just like real life -  Closest we come now is the Russian Kirov Class Cruisers)

Cruisers should be renamed Destroyers and have their aft guns removed (All aft guns) and replaced with Anti-Surface Missiles and a Helicopter armed Torpedos (instead of Fighter plane)

Destroyers Should be renamed Frigates and have their aft guns removed (All aft guns) and replaced with Anti-Surface Missiles and a Helicopter equiped with Radar (to help scouting and also to replace hydro for some ships)

Carriers should be as they are but re-add Jets and upgrade the hulls to add Phalanx CIWS for Anti-Missile defence (Tho they would loose their old AA for this upgrade).

 

Not much would actually change if this were to happen -

Most Cruisers would still sit behind islands and shoot (and some would still use smoke)

Most Destroyers would still smoke as soon as you breath in their direction.

Carriers would still be carriers.

 

No, this post is not a joke - this is genuinely how I feel the game has "devolved" since Alpha test and seeing the game as it is - I feel this would make the game feel more......accurate.....for the current play style (meta for you embryos out there)

 

If I'm not mistaken, cruisers evolved from different types of ships (not a particular one) So the term cruiser was from the type of mission not from the type of ship.

It had to be small, fast and with a punch.

One type of ships that was used to cruising missions were the frigates.

So no joy for dds.

 

And by the way, I don't like this "modernized" idea.

What about Punic Wars sea warfare?

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Skyllon said:

Battleships being removed from the game? Let me counter with alternative (and much easier to implement) proposal - remove bad players from the game. :Smile_trollface:

 

Perhaps we should have a closer look at removing battleships from the game after all.

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1 hour ago, justadude0815 said:

This is a WW2 game. Battleship were desperatly tryied to be - alas, to no avail - relevant during this time.

 

Gotta fix this.
But this is an unrealistic WWII arcade game, don't you forget that.

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Better alternative would be to remove all other ships from the game and make new game for them based on CBT before 0.3.1.4 version of the game. That way BBs can just shoot each other over 20km distances, and its not like it would be far from current state... Just a difference of 2-3 BBs per side between current and BB only game. There would be no pesky torpedoes, smoke firing, HE spam cruisers that they hate, and other game would be fun for everyone else, as it was before 0.3.1.4, when BB vs BB and rest vs rest battling was separate anyway.

They had their long range artillery game on open part of map while rest of us had our fun at short ranges among islands and stuff like that.

 

Win-win!

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17 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

 

 

And by the way, I don't like this "modernized" idea.

What about Punic Wars sea warfare?

 

 

 

 

Ah crazy ships from Antiquity. With the oars, weird eyes painted on the side and big brass horns on the front for ramming :cap_book:

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Make battleships great again
manofwar.jpg

 

 

 

 

Bird beak ship looking awesome :cap_cool:


It looks like it's tripping balls...

 

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4 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

FirstWar.jpg

 

Bird beak ship looking awesome :cap_cool:

 

Pergamon wants a cracker. Bwaak!

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2 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

 


It looks like it's tripping balls...

 

About to get some hot boarding action, seaman on seaman combat. Who wouldn't be buzzing at the anticipation?:cap_win:

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59 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

 

Gotta fix this.
But this is an unrealistic WWII arcade game, don't you forget that.

Like you said unrealistic WWII arcade game... so the argument that BBs implementation is spot on for a game like this. Chew on that!

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3 minutes ago, justadude0815 said:

Like you said unrealistic WWII arcade game... so the argument that BBs implementation is spot on for a game like this. Think about that!

 

If it's unrealistic, it doesn't matter what era it is. Since it's... not... realistic. Get it ?
Besides, no, once again, I have to repeat : when talking about WWII BBs are far behind in terms of vessel types you should be thinking of. Not only aircraft carriers, but also destroyers, submarines, hell, pretty much everything else that sails played a bigger role. BBs had been a dying race since the mid 20s. So talking about the 40s ? Bbs are definitely not spot-on, no.

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I'd rather have a windowlicker camping the border behind the spawn rather than a potato DD rushing to his death in the first 3 min of the game, a cruiser sitting in the open broadside to the enemy fleet, or, most of all, a clueless CV. All 3 of those hurt much more

 

 

1 hour ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

Good old fashioned BB whining.  Love it.

Good old fashioned "didn't bother to read the thread so I'll just answer the headline" answer

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