Top nation DD´s to lvl?

[anonym_2hneAFaIyP4T]

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The T-22 is a step away from her predecessors and a transition to the hybrid gunboat and torpedo-spamming style of the higher tiered German destroyers. The frontal torpedo tubes from the previous German destroyers are gone from the T-22 on, however she does not yet have the Hydroacoustic Search consumable that the German destroyer line is known for or the powerful guns that allow her to become a good hybrid gun and torpedo boat. These factors make the T-22 seemingly the low point of the German destroyer line, but this does not mean that the T-22 is a bad ship. She is a tricky ship to handle, but if played correctly she will reap great rewards.

 

In other words, a bit of a paradigm shift from the previous ones, but without the stuff that makes the next tiers fun! There is (stock) a very small window to stealth torp it would seem... boost this with camo, skills etc and this window could be improved (not studied the stats too closely yet ). With the torp module upgrade you get a + 500m improvement!

 

Not quite sure where I'm going with this comment... maybe just agreeing that it's not a great ship, but can work in theory.

 

I'm not planning on skipping any ships in the lines I do play... just occasionally 'pausing' progress 

 

What was the buff... I'm guessing torp range or concealment radius based on above observations? Or is it better ROF on the guns (pretty poor arcs imo)?

[anonym_2hneAFaIyP4T]

Oh, and... whilst I will resume the grind on USN, I think I will continue to play with the T-22 having looked into this a bit more! Definitely scope for some fun 

 

And note to self: always properly research your ship and stats before battle! 

[EmilyFara]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

 

I played through it before the buff, but on the face of it I'd have thought it's now one of the best T5 DD.

I also played through it before the buff.... Oh, no, wait. I played it a couple of times, it frustrated me to death. Deemed it as complete garbage and skipped it. 

It had nothing going for it. It was worse than the previous tier in every aspect and in some brutal match making that nearly promises that you are bottom tier every single match. 

I even like the jianwei better.. And I can't see what it wants to be either. A torp boat with poor torpedoes and mediocre guns, or a gun boat with poor guns and mediocre torpedoes. /Rant 

[Ryouzanpakku]

What line would you suggest if I am only interested in T7?

[EmilyFara]

Oof.. Only t7. 

I really like the usn line, all tiers. But I haven't played the Mahan in over a year. 

So don't know if I can recommend her. 

 

The Ghadjah Mada is a joy though, I can really recommend her. Good guns, good concealment, torps that wreck anything larger than a dd. Only real down side is the fact that her torps can't touch dd's at all. 

Plus you need to slog through the jianwei which is a pain. 

 

So I guess those are my recommendations. Can't really go wrong with the usn dd line. If you like the nicholas b hull, you'll probably like the rest of them. 

The pan Asian line is a lot less consistent and requires flexibility when grinding through it. They go from torp boasts with guns to gunboats with torps. Their guns are all over the place too. From slow shells to laser beams. But if the tier 7 specifically is your goal, I can recommend the gm.

 

I can't comment on the 2 ijn lines since I don't really play them. But someone else will chime in on that. 

[BattleshipAP]

Vor 5 Stunden, Ryouzanpakku sagte:

What line would you suggest if I am only interested in T7?

Panasian DDs

[loppantorkel]

Pan Asian dds seems the way to go atm. USN dds are still fine, but the overall WR is dropping and cap contesting in Gearing is tougher than before. Not a bad ship but WR is low for a reason. The role of Gearing is to be cap contesting and hunt other dds, but the advantages compared to other dds to succeed in that role are marginal now. Even the earlier near-OP Fletcher is suffering somewhat.

[Ryouzanpakku]

ty guys

[anonym_2hneAFaIyP4T]

On 30/01/2018 at 12:23 PM, Rusty_9 said:

I think I will continue to play with the T-22 having looked into this a bit more! Definitely scope for some fun 

'Scuse the random bump @stewie533 and @Capra76, but thought I'd update you on this...

 

... I am having fun. Might just be a run of good MM (although have been in some enjoyable -2 MM games) - i still don't know how to judge 'good' v 'bad' MM yet!

 

Nothing outstanding here but some idea of what can be achieved by a very new player:

 

(you can't win them all unfortunately!)

 

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and

 

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and a victory... just to show it can be done ;)

 

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Anyway, that's me having fun in the T-22 so yes, it is possible 

 

Kudos

[EmilyFara]

Really good to hear. Sometimes people forget to actually have fun. 

I can't open the pics from where I am, but glad you're doing well. 

[Comrad_StaIin]

just ignore IJN DDs they are complete [edited]any other DD line trashes them their torps are also pretty bad the only good thing about them is the high alpha strike that never hits

 

if you wanna go traditional DD go for US line first

next Pan-Asia as they are really similar to US DDs

alternatively go German DDs they are really good cap contesters and torp boats

 

Soviet DDs are pure gun boats just dakka the enemy with your superior guns 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

IJN DD are not completely trash... Although they are heavily power creeped by all the DD Gunboats out there. I'm up to the Kagero and you can have some excellent moments.

 

My current favourite DD is the RU T10 Grozo. 6km detection is competitive, your AA is scary for a DD, the guns are accurate out to long range and the torps do not disgrace either.

 

Learning how to DD is more important than picking a line. Although start with USN, work your way to a Fletcher then think about other lines. As the Gearing isn't an advancement on the play style and USN stuff from T7 to T9 are the universal DD in that they can do all DD roles competently.

[Capra76]

On 28/01/2018 at 11:57 PM, stewie533 said:

Completely agree. 

Fletcher, Benson and Sims are gods in my opinion 

 

Benson is good, Fletcher is great, but everything that comes before is not noob freindly, extremly powerful in the right hands but not ideal as a first line.

[Capra76]

On 03/02/2018 at 6:07 AM, loppantorkel said:

Pan Asian dds seems the way to go atm.

 

PA has a couple of great ships at T6/7 but i'm not sure about the line as a whole, probably not a great first line because of the multiple switches in play style at different levels. 

[Spellfire40]

Just now, Capra76 said:

 

PA has a couple of great ships at T6/7 but i'm not sure about the line as a whole, probably not a great first line because of the multiple switches in play style at different levels. 

Perma smoke nearly on demand makes them okish . You have some disadvantages that you cant torp smokeclouds. In a DD vs DD fight they work. thogh the torps are basically useless since they use base US Torps with target restictions......

Had anyone ever problem with US Torps detectability screwing up hits......speed and range on some levels sure but stealth??? The overall stealth and the gunpower fokus on more anti DD linewich leaves the Torp reload at t8 plus rather lackluster with no real fallback if you get gimped by a BB AP salvo and low on health.....

 

 

[Capra76]

3 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Perma smoke nearly on demand makes them okish . You have some disadvantages that you cant torp smokeclouds. In a DD vs DD fight they work. thogh the torps are basically useless since they use base US Torps with target restictions......

Had anyone ever problem with US Torps detectability screwing up hits......speed and range on some levels sure but stealth??? The overall stealth and the gunpower fokus on more anti DD linewich leaves the Torp reload at t8 plus rather lackluster with no real fallback if you get gimped by a BB AP salvo and low on health.....

 

 

I'm talking about 2 ships at T6/7 only, which are very, very strong, the rest of the line?  I got the T6 in the christmas campaign and have no interest in going any higher than the T7.

[Spellfire40]

4 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

I'm talking about 2 ships at T6/7 only, which are very, very strong, the rest of the line?  I got the T6 in the christmas campaign and have no interest in going any higher than the T7.

Well im on T8 its basically a 4 Gun Benson with torps that cant hit DDs with. The smoke on demand IS great thogh (no matter the tir) alowing you to be a lots more agresive and not being stuck in situations were you have to wait 2 min plus without a smoke.

 

Just feeling the Torps are kind of useless since they dont bring much over a US torp at the higher level to make up for the lack in Targetselection. Agree thogh that at least T7 is nice...I never reallly like the Gremy clones thogh because auf the continental slow turet treverse......Ashan/Lo Yang certainly makes the coresponding techtree ships feel less than desirable to play and a painfull feeling grind.

 

The whole DW tops feel kind of a forced desighn to differ from the parent nations the ships came from especally when teh base Tarps all had more than enogh stealth....if it were a IJN Base torp sure stealth for less target selection  but not as they are.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

20 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Well im on T8 its basically a 4 Gun Benson with torps that cant hit DDs with. The smoke on demand IS great thogh (no matter the tir) alowing you to be a lots more agresive and not being stuck in situations were you have to wait 2 min plus without a smoke.

 

Just feeling the Torps are kind of useless since they dont bring much over a US torp at the higher level to make up for the lack in Targetselection. Agree thogh that at least T7 is nice...I never reallly like the Gremy clones thogh because auf the continental slow turet treverse......Ashan/Lo Yang certainly makes the coresponding techtree ships feel less than desirable to play and a painfull feeling grind.

 

The whole DW tops feel kind of a forced desighn to differ from the parent nations the ships came from especally when teh base Tarps all had more than enogh stealth....if it were a IJN Base torp sure stealth for less target selection  but not as they are.

 

Hmmm I actually quite like PA DD however they only really get noticeably good at T9 and T10.

 

The T7 effort is meant to be really good but I never really got on with her.

 

T8 PA DD is fairly bad.

 

DW Torps only really start making sense at the top two tiers as by then the guns on your DD are so dammn good that you barely need torps and the DW torps themselves get some impressive range and reload times on them (with the correct modules and captain skills). 

 

The Yue Yang (T10 PA DD) is excellent, it's arguably superior to the Gearing as it's actually smaller even if it looks exactly the same on face value. Plus it's concealment is better. Plus in Clan Wars the radar is a better prospect than smoke as the games there are often knife edged spotting battles and 28s or so of radar can really make a difference. 

[Capra76]

7 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

The T7 effort is meant to be really good but I never really got on with her.

 

 

First impressions, possibly the best DD in the game.

 

It's certainly one of the only DD where I feel that I'm really a counter to BB.

 

I thought the T6 was an absolute monster as well (but needs 12 point captain).

[RUSSIANBlAS]

3 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

First impressions, possibly the best DD in the game.

 

It's certainly one of the only DD where I feel that I'm really a counter to BB.

 

I thought the T6 was an absolute monster as well (but needs 12 point captain).

 

Yes, everyone else seems to say the T7 one is God.

 

Things like T7 Gearing, best thing ever etc etc but I don't know personally. I didn't do badly in it at all, I just didn't seem to "get" what it was all about and I've grinded every DD line to T10 save the IJN one where I've stalled at 9.

 

The T6 one is a better Anshan, just without the Free XP camo.  

[Capra76]

3 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Yes, everyone else seems to say the T7 one is God.

 

Things like T7 Gearing, best thing ever etc etc but I don't know personally. I didn't do badly in it at all, I just didn't seem to "get" what it was all about and I've grinded every DD line to T10 save the IJN one where I've stalled at 9.

First 10 or so games I was uncertain, but once you get used the gun arcs, yeah.

[LongJohn_]

 

Thinking the same things. Leveled Russian DD line up to Khaba but havent got it yet. Absolutely great line imho and just got the Kiev with new captain into play. Its a keeper for me. 

 

Also played IJN DD line up to Yogumo but its a struggle. Liked Akatsuki at T7 but after that its both MM and radar nightmare. Not that the ships are bad, its just that world changes around them. 

 

Grinded KM DDs to T22. Horrid. Thinking of free xp past it and take another swing at them. 

 

Pan asian. Fushun is great for me. Russian flat arc guns and DW torps. Lovely. Got the praised Gadjah and what a disappointment. While I've used and loved Russian gun arcs Gadjahs arcs felt absolutely horroble. This is also one reason why I havent touched USN DDs with mortar guns, I dont think I like that line so much... might be wrong. 

 

So... Thought to get Akatsuki back some day and plant my Yogu capt on it. Fushun is solid option for me at T6, propably another keeper. 

 

T6 Fushun, T7 Akatsuki, T8 Kiev. Sounds fine to me. But what line should I go all the way? German? Suggestions with this information?

[GulvkluderGuld]

8 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Thinking the same things. Leveled Russian DD line up to Khaba but havent got it yet. Absolutely great line imho and just got the Kiev with new captain into play. Its a keeper for me. 

 

Also played IJN DD line up to Yogumo but its a struggle. Liked Akatsuki at T7 but after that its both MM and radar nightmare. Not that the ships are bad, its just that world changes around them. 

 

Grinded KM DDs to T22. Horrid. Thinking of free xp past it and take another swing at them. 

 

Pan asian. Fushun is great for me. Russian flat arc guns and DW torps. Lovely. Got the praised Gadjah and what a disappointment. While I've used and loved Russian gun arcs Gadjahs arcs felt absolutely horroble. This is also one reason why I havent touched USN DDs with mortar guns, I dont think I like that line so much... might be wrong. 

 

So... Thought to get Akatsuki back some day and plant my Yogu capt on it. Fushun is solid option for me at T6, propably another keeper. 

 

T6 Fushun, T7 Akatsuki, T8 Kiev. Sounds fine to me. But what line should I go all the way? German? Suggestions with this information?

Khaba never gets old. Its a Kiev on steroids with 25% more guns.

 

I played IJN dds only for obtaining the Akizuki. My opinion: There are better options if you like torpedoing (PA dds and Fletcher)

 

T22 sucks in the club of sucking. It sucks evrn in some very select company like really old prebuff pensacola, Furutaka and izumo. Skip it. You can fire those guns for 20 mins at a DD and still not kill it (flamu made a pretty cool video about it some months back). Suffer the tier 6 untill 2nd hull and have fun with hydro (KM dds are still not great apart from tier 7, 9 and 10). They are cap contesters and if you have problems with radar, you will either learn fast to deal with radar, or just plain hate these dds (see bottom)

 

Pan Asian DDs turn american from tier 8 (Hsienyang is a Benson with DW torps). You will hate the arcs. They are your state-of-the-art torpedoboats and arguably the best line for experienced DD captains because of DW torps and radar. Worthy of consideration if you can learn to shoot around the Moon. FYI I hated the GM too although my stats are very good in it.

 

TL;DR - if you like guns, get the Khabarovsk or possibly the Akizuki (not a beginner ship though), Forget other IJN dds unless you just want a TX.

 

You mentioned radar being a problem for you - this is likely related to tier, not ship, although some dds deal better with it, specifically Khabarovsk dont really give a damn about radar since it is always busy shooting up some ship and spotted. Gearing, Yue Yang and Shima can all torp from outside radar range (but low chance to hit).

A better option is learning all radar ships and never try to cap before they are located and elsewhere. Never go more than 1 km into radars range on pain of death. Play the flanks, spot the radar ships, F3, and watch those camping BBs gleefully delete them.

 

 

[LongJohn_]

5 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Khaba never gets old. Its a Kiev on steroids with 25% more guns.

 

I played IJN dds only for obtaining the Akizuki. My opinion: There are better options if you like torpedoing (PA dds and Fletcher)

 

T22 sucks in the club of sucking. It sucks evrn in some very select company like really old prebuff pensacola, Furutaka and izumo. Skip it. You can fire those guns for 20 mins at a DD and still not kill it (flamu made a pretty cool video about it some months back). Suffer the tier 6 untill 2nd hull and have fun with hydro (KM dds are still not great apart from tier 7, 9 and 10). They are cap contesters and if you have problems with radar, you will either learn fast to deal with radar, or just plain hate these dds (see bottom)

 

Pan Asian DDs turn american from tier 8 (Hsienyang is a Benson with DW torps). You will hate the arcs. They are your state-of-the-art torpedoboats and arguably the best line for experienced DD captains because of DW torps and radar. Worthy of consideration if you can learn to shoot around the Moon. FYI I hated the GM too although my stats are very good in it.

 

TL;DR - if you like guns, get the Khabarovsk or possibly the Akizuki (not a beginner ship though), Forget other IJN dds unless you just want a TX.

 

You mentioned radar being a problem for you - this is likely related to tier, not ship, although some dds deal better with it, specifically Khabarovsk dont really give a damn about radar since it is always busy shooting up some ship and spotted. Gearing, Yue Yang and Shima can all torp from outside radar range (but low chance to hit).

A better option is learning all radar ships and never try to cap before they are located and elsewhere. Never go more than 1 km into radars range on pain of death. Play the flanks, spot the radar ships, F3, and watch those camping BBs gleefully delete them.

 

 

 

I think Khaba is more like Tashkent on steroids. Tash already has plenty (~25k) health (with SE) and heal. Khaba adds fourth turret, more speed, more health, more visibility... Kiev is just a tash more multipurpose since it has 7,9km detection range and can somewhat challenge others at caps. Normally not as first on the scene ship but as second line support and later game capping.

 

As ships I've liked russian all the way but above Kiev my WR (and somewhat withit) my PR started dropping with Tashkent. Its much fun but when it comes to winning games maybe its too much one trick pony and thats what I'm afraid of with Khaba. Its even more like that.

 

On the other side is the IJN line. Moved from Akatsuki to Kagero for better detection range and torp reload booster but found gun power lacking. Then moved to Yogumo for that gun power but its still more or less torp boat than a true cap contester. So basically I think I'm looking for a all rounded cap contesting, "winning", DD line that doesnt have rainbow arcs.

 

Pan Asians have been a mish mash. T4 is hilarious but propably because noob MM where its thrown into, T5 has terrible arcs and was, despite of my stats, horror for me to play. T6 Fushun with Russian gunplatform works nicely and with DW torps and smoking capabilities makes Russian version obsolite. Then things start to go downhill for me. Gadjah already had terrible gun arcs for me and like you mentioned top tier ships are based on USN DD variations so its all rainbow there. Just maybe I might give Gadjah another chance but I dont know when. At least thats very propably top of the line Pan Asian DD for me.

 

I agree with the radar thing. Like I said its not that Kagero and Yogumo are bad ships, competition and MM just gets brutal to more or less pure stealth torp boats. You have to have more tricks in your sleeve. This is the reason why I think KM DDs T6+ might be a good option for me. B Hull Gaede with 150mm guns seemed already funny and propably gives some idea of the top tiers without having to go all the way with them. Playing with hydro in the caps is pretty new thing, I've used them with my KM cruisers (up to T7 so far) and with Bismarck but its different in a DD. Allthough I has a complete noob with radars as well until got it to my Chapa and now I just love the thing. Learning process wasnt that long and now I just tug an island and support my DDs with Xray while remaining cover from retaliation.

[GulvkluderGuld]

14 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

So basically I think I'm looking for a all rounded cap contesting, "winning", DD line that doesnt have rainbow arcs.

All rounded dds: USN, PA, KM

Cap contester #1 is KM dds with hydro.

I can personally attest Z52 is a wonderful toy. It plays with an arrogance matching the Khaba.

The problem as you mention is radar cruisers (and CVs curse them) prey on dds trying to cap, so this will be an interesting learning experience for you.

Downsides: arrogance will get you rekt by radar It has a lot of downtime between hydros cooldowns and the torps are mediocre.

Also teams expect you to Yolo into caps at the start which is a sure-thing way to get blasted by radar, while Gearings and other dds have more freedom.

Personally i prefer the USN and PA dds because their playstyle is more versatile (and then I put up with their mortar guns)

 

The tier 6-7-8 have pretty poor dpm but as compensation, you can citadel the odd unsuspecting cruiser with those monster 150 mm guns.

In short yes the tier 6 will be a taste of what is to come

 

Khabarovsk is very much a one-trick pony if you play it to the flanks. It can be used as a second line dd too though. 

I unlocked it before the presently buffed Trashcan, but it was indeed more clumsy than the Kiev and handled like a bus, as Khaba.