Quality Poster Initiative

[Allied_Winter]

Ahem... humble me, but how did I achieve that? 

 

Apparently being thoughtful with my responses and limiting my salt to a minimum? Anyway, whoever recommended my posts: Thank you guys!

 

Edit: I also just saw that my ingame 'emblem' is displayed in the forum! May 'The Coon' guide your ways!

 

 

Greetings

[konean]

Congratz my friend! Well done! 

[iJoby]

Well done to the guys selected as Quality Postman, I know you guys and you deserve this role. 

[Randschwimmer]

@MrConway

I would like to have this initiative in the german section, too.

Any plans now?

[Allied_Winter]

26 minutes ago, Randschwimmer said:

@MrConway

I would like to have this initiative in the german section, too.

Any plans now?

 

Sehales is currently working on it iirc.

 

 

Greetings

[KarmaQU_EU]

Err ... I am sorry for multi-posting in the nomination thread again, somehow the thread always digests my posts too slowly and I double or triple click the submit button in impatience......

(-_-')

[Commander_Cornflakes]

These quality posters are quite lazy

There are so many Q&A/Newcomer threads without a chosen Best Answer ^^

[Allied_Winter]

14 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

These quality posters are quite lazy

There are so many Q&A/Newcomer threads without a chosen Best Answer ^^

 

 

Greetings

[KarmaQU_EU]

Because it's a new month I posted another person.

 

I hope this does not cancel out the one I posted last month, but which was not reviewed within 2 weeks to make room for more. (I tried to time it to within 2 weeks of the prior review date)

 

(Omg triple post again .... I clicked the button only once, but refreshed the loading page twice ... did that even mess it up? Omg I'm so sorry...)

 

In general, I'd recommend, once WG side sorts out the holdup on this initiative, to perhaps improve the review dates to be twice a month on the 15th and 30th (or last day), to sync with the "1 nomination per month" rule, so players won't be left hanging.

And whatever other improvements are necessary.

 

The problem with the q-c-i is that it is too broad.

If contributors had custom headers giving some hints of their area of expertise, general forum role play image, or type of posting, it would be more useful and less pressuring.

Furthermore it is rare to see this kind of rollout without a trial period. It needs trial, formal, and veteran q-c, just, layered statuses besides just one rank of q-c.

Pretty sure more improvements possible and needed. But work faster please.  Shouldn’t take months to test out an initiative.

 

[LilJumpa]

On 3.3.2018 at 1:33 PM, KarmaQU_EU said:

Because it's a new month I posted another person.

 

I hope this does not cancel out the one I posted last month, but which was not reviewed within 2 weeks to make room for more. (I tried to time it to within 2 weeks of the prior review date)

 

(Omg triple post again .... I clicked the button only once, but refreshed the loading page twice ... did that even mess it up? Omg I'm so sorry...)

 

In general, I'd recommend, once WG side sorts out the holdup on this initiative, to perhaps improve the review dates to be twice a month on the 15th and 30th (or last day), to sync with the "1 nomination per month" rule, so players won't be left hanging.

And whatever other improvements are necessary.

 

The 2 weeks check circle seems to be off after one month 

 

@MrConway

[KarmaQU_EU]

WARNING: KarmaQu extreme-salty level post. The salt-level in this post is not good for health. You have been warned. Rock salt sea salt fermented salt. If you cannot stand salt, stay away for your own health. Because the amount of salt in this post would melt 10 feet snow and make a deer swoon+hallucinate. It will also make your hair curl, on contact, like The Mummy.

 

The problem is, WG is trying to grow something organic in a salt-infested, barren wasteland, which is not an ideal ecosystem for something nice.

 

This is part of what I view as the utter lack of showmanship and people-handling skills of WG. They only know political and corporate handling of people. This has been demonstrated numerously over the years. (Want me to quote them all?)

 

Their tactics are characterized by heady, heavy-handed, consequence-ignorant attempts at forcing something to happen unnaturally, through heavy rewards and a very high-profile demonstration. The desired magic does not happen, sometimes it even backfires, and much effort and resources is wasted. Then, WG thinks "why aren't the playerbase cooperative, why are people so maliciously out to make trouble for us at every step?", like every corporation ever, when something does not go perfectly for them. And honestly, sometimes it isn't even majorly the fault of WG, but that they are treating a salty, sterile, polluted, wasteland as if it was a standardized, quality-assured farm for whatever good things they desire. And sometimes it is not even the fault of the playerbase, you can't expect magic lush landscapes to grow out of barren salty earth which only produce gnarled wild growth. And anything that does grow, will obviously be salt-tolerant strains, yet also, salt-absorbent. Very salty. mmmhm.

 

Well, fertile and ideal places can exist. But not if you apply un-environmentally friendly farming methods, and use lots of semi-toxic heavy-handed chemical fertilizers. Soil erosion happens when the old guard trees, once thought useless, are gone. Ecosystem diversity is eliminated when every last piece of usable land is converted to only be farmed for profit, thus causing a chain-ecosystem collapse. Salinity of the soil, once everything to hold it back is gone, raises abruptly, and is worsened by the ignorant farmer's further attempts at squeezing more output from the soil by using more and more potent, yet toxic, chemical fertilizers. Artisan growing and farming is eliminated by heavy corporate methods of indiscriminate soil treatment. There is no more variety even in methods. 

 

Thus, by salting their own earth, they reap what they sow.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

The way I had interpreted this initiative, was an attempt to "selectively repopulate" the poor ecosystem of the forums, with "desired strains" of good posts.

 

So that's what I searched, and found, for WG (some of my recommended users have not been shown yet). Posts which had drawings. Posts which brought in historical material. Posts which used in-game screenshots to brighten up writing. Posts which discussed seriously historical ships and parts. Posts which are helpful and enlightening in info to the forums. Posts which helped organize and coordinate player interactions. Posts which translated stuff. Posts with feedback for the game. Posts of experiments and statistics in-game, with screenshots accompanying the procedures. And more.

(Though there were some personal bias in my explanations for them, the base desire was thus.)

 

But now that I think of it, even had WG carried on the initiative, it would have been a failure. As it was too rigid, corporate, heavy-handed. The people put into the spotlight would suffer, and the people not put into the spotlight had nothing to gain either. This was not an "organic" procedure. WG was right in their decision to emergency-halt it after only a few weeks.

 

But, they could have speedily reworked it and re-initiated it, with bonuses, so players would not get demoralized from witnessing it. It is like watching parents fight. Some players, I tell you, will literally get scarred by it. And these are the nicest, gentlest, players you would want for your ecosystem, but which I estimate, are all but extinct since the 2 years and some of WoWs, because there is precious little things of that kind nature to sustain them here. The only remaining players are the salt-resilient strains, or the salt-loving strains. haha. It's not like the game is gentle and kind, bringing in that kind of people, either. With appropriate features to sustain on-the-side activity (note: user activity) of that sort. Cartoons and stuff are nice and all but they are like icing on a barren wasteland. You still lack the cake.

 

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For instance, examples of "organic" procedures, adhering to my interpretation of "desired post types", the WG community staff would, each week, pick a thread they found interesting. Thread opener gets a container, and a random container draw is also distributed amongst participants. - This would send a message of what kind of posts are "desired".

 

Assuming a standardized and resilient procedure to generate "quality posters" was in place (you know, with trials, outlines, structure, customization and such), each quality poster would also, each week, be able to recommend a thread or post they found interesting. Writer gets a container.

 

Quality posters also get some containers per week for their efforts. In return, they are expected to produce higher-quality posts, with some effort, in "good" formats and on relevant topics, but with their personal style (as was customized and is still customizable as part of their title), to make forums "great again".

 

Was that even complicated?

 

Extended ideas could even be a “weekly forum post digest” or “a post from today in yesteryears” or “remember this post/poster?” type of tally, which would have also ideally happened organically, positively, and not to mention, constructively. But, it could also have sprung from not-too-WG-sanctioned threads such as one which specifically presents paradox questions on “would this person fit as a quality poster”?

\\\\\\\

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

But instead, WG prefers their kinds of tactics like "make an art competition more cutthroat than a refugee program". "Give a holy-boatload of premiums to players who 'recommend friends', but nothing to current players." "Give 'quality posters' their own private subsection to lament about how they take a face-full of salt every time they even post, but not even discussion permission to the general public (note: WG worded it as no-discussion, but it was probably just no-negotiation on final decisions. Still, not reading nice either way. Can't they at least learn to word it like milk and honey?)".

 

Sometimes WG really needs to think, to think on the logic, the kind of message their action sends. And how there are other more diplomatic, subtle, even smarter and indirect, ways to achieve that, without barrowing through everything with the force, but grace, of a semi-truck. 

 

For instance, if WG gave containers out of their own pocket, just a few per week, to popular, loved posters, that the playerbase chose, this can be indirectly read as "WG sponsors charity for playerbase, to playerbase, out of their own pocket". Double, idk, triple logic perspective win? This wasn't even a very long logic train. And a few containers per week isn't even expensive, yet, the organic results this generates produces much more indirect benefit, and thus more room and options for WG to maneuver in other things as well, than their little cost on WG. Yet, the way WG logic currently would see it, is "we are giving players actual stuff, for virtually nothing in return, on something that we do not even control? nit." I'm just flabbergasted.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

And then there are the "big boys", the streamers, community contributors, stats' website owners and mod-makers. Honestly, the stuff they do is actually worth money (aka. free marketing or technical, or content), and there is very good reason to put attention and effort to them, and accommodate them well.

 

But there are also "softer" things, like running community-content, "soft" content that is not hardcore marketing, content borne out of love and passion like fan-organized historic battles, fan-effort newbie help, unique ideas and playstyles and settings, sometimes just translating and bringing in historical writings, maybe just making funny posts and salty sea-stories, or even drawing fan-pictures and cartoons, do these truly mean nothing? IN fact, they could mean even more, to the players, than all of WG's big boys and their stuff. Though understandably, they mean nothing to WG. WG can use money to hire artists, they can use money to hire lawyers, and they can use money to out-compete other "softer" companies. Why bother?

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

And then there are the "Higher things". Things that can elicit the best of peoples. Things that should have been represented, and truly honored, both in action and spirit, in this game. Things that, while some perspectives of logic would dismiss as unnecessary, could instead lead to writings like 

which, if written by someone with better writing skills, could rally like no other. Idk, like professional writers WG can pay. Or artists, to express more subtly in writing. Or idk, just design it into the game system itself. Aka. just make a better game.

 

Because in the end, we want to fill our ecosystems not with single specimens, but whole strains, strains of logics, good logic, kind logic, higher logic, in post, in action, in attitude. Ahaha, but this is a bit too hard for WG to take in a non-salty way eh? We might as well be saying "world is all unicorns and rainbows", and should be rightly dismissed as mad, outrageous, whining, unproductive salt, toxic malicious intent, because it actually hurts, like salt in the wound should. A festering, rotten wound.

 

Honestly though, with this kind of attitude and use of language, in another time, I'd be in the gulags already. And the forums are hardly comparable with Gulags, so it's my fault.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

Honestly, had he even responded with something just hinting at taking a step back, no even need to apologize, just a bit of reflection, understanding, I would have been ready to publish a full shameless apology criticizing myself, but trying to bring things back in a positive light and to higher things, in the kind of spirit and reflection of the writing above. But no. Scared off, hole up, like WG do. No fire, no drive, no logic, nit. Cold, rigid, barren. Perfect comparison. That wait, was the final, unspoken, test.

 

Those that step in the spotlight, onto the speaking block, must be ready to respond with kindness and friendly comeback, even to the one who will cry you murdered their family. And rest assured there will always be one poking at you. If you cannot take that kind of thing, not even mentioning handling it in a positive way, then there is no place in the spotlight. But it needn't be like this. It could be kinder, gentler, with less pressure, with more room for personality and understanding, with room to back and advance, and mutual goodwill that can take a jest or two. With a system, and structure, that does not provoke these kind of hardened "political, corporate", responses from the other side, because why need, if they do not see the need to test, to anti-trust, to poke at the speaker? These strains of logic, is really, things WG will have to understand and act by. 

 

I mean, I saw some forum people who would otherwise not even bother to start a thread, tried to start threads dealing in statistics or serious stuff. Tried to increase thread count. Tried to post to regular quality, even though have not posted in long time. I saw passion, excitement, action, I mean, this initiative is hardly dead. If WG would will it. Plants can be more resilient than expected, even on barren wastelands.

 

But with the current chain of events, I'm just like, flabbergasted. Any plant able to resilient its way through even this wasteland, is either weeds, or some mutated bug-eater zombified-tree species. Like, just, flabbergasted. heheheheeh.

[MrConway]

On 3/10/2018 at 7:13 PM, LilJumpa said:

 

The 2 weeks check circle seems to be off after one month 

 

@MrConway

 

Nope, I checked two weeks ago and there was only one new nomination that did not quite cut it due to some warnings on the profile.

 

The next check is due... drumroll.... today! I'll actually be doing it now!

 

Please remember that I won't be able to go say: You're nomination is declined due to XYZ. If you don't see a positive result from your nomination please assume it was declined :)

[MrConway]

5 hours ago, KarmaQU_EU said:

 

Spoiler

 

WARNING: KarmaQu extreme-salty level post. The salt-level in this post is not good for health. You have been warned. Rock salt sea salt fermented salt. If you cannot stand salt, stay away for your own health. Because the amount of salt in this post would melt 10 feet snow and make a deer swoon+hallucinate. It will also make your hair curl, on contact, like The Mummy.

 

The problem is, WG is trying to grow something organic in a salt-infested, barren wasteland, which is not an ideal ecosystem for something nice.

 

This is part of what I view as the utter lack of showmanship and people-handling skills of WG. They only know political and corporate handling of people. This has been demonstrated numerously over the years. (Want me to quote them all?)

 

Their tactics are characterized by heady, heavy-handed, consequence-ignorant attempts at forcing something to happen unnaturally, through heavy rewards and a very high-profile demonstration. The desired magic does not happen, sometimes it even backfires, and much effort and resources is wasted. Then, WG thinks "why aren't the playerbase cooperative, why are people so maliciously out to make trouble for us at every step?", like every corporation ever, when something does not go perfectly for them. And honestly, sometimes it isn't even majorly the fault of WG, but that they are treating a salty, sterile, polluted, wasteland as if it was a standardized, quality-assured farm for whatever good things they desire. And sometimes it is not even the fault of the playerbase, you can't expect magic lush landscapes to grow out of barren salty earth which only produce gnarled wild growth. And anything that does grow, will obviously be salt-tolerant strains, yet also, salt-absorbent. Very salty. mmmhm.

 

Well, fertile and ideal places can exist. But not if you apply un-environmentally friendly farming methods, and use lots of semi-toxic heavy-handed chemical fertilizers. Soil erosion happens when the old guard trees, once thought useless, are gone. Ecosystem diversity is eliminated when every last piece of usable land is converted to only be farmed for profit, thus causing a chain-ecosystem collapse. Salinity of the soil, once everything to hold it back is gone, raises abruptly, and is worsened by the ignorant farmer's further attempts at squeezing more output from the soil by using more and more potent, yet toxic, chemical fertilizers. Artisan growing and farming is eliminated by heavy corporate methods of indiscriminate soil treatment. There is no more variety even in methods. 

 

Thus, by salting their own earth, they reap what they sow.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

The way I had interpreted this initiative, was an attempt to "selectively repopulate" the poor ecosystem of the forums, with "desired strains" of good posts.

 

So that's what I searched, and found, for WG (some of my recommended users have not been shown yet). Posts which had drawings. Posts which brought in historical material. Posts which used in-game screenshots to brighten up writing. Posts which discussed seriously historical ships and parts. Posts which are helpful and enlightening in info to the forums. Posts which helped organize and coordinate player interactions. Posts which translated stuff. Posts with feedback for the game. Posts of experiments and statistics in-game, with screenshots accompanying the procedures. And more.

(Though there were some personal bias in my explanations for them, the base desire was thus.)

 

But now that I think of it, even had WG carried on the initiative, it would have been a failure. As it was too rigid, corporate, heavy-handed. The people put into the spotlight would suffer, and the people not put into the spotlight had nothing to gain either. This was not an "organic" procedure. WG was right in their decision to emergency-halt it after only a few weeks.

 

But, they could have speedily reworked it and re-initiated it, with bonuses, so players would not get demoralized from witnessing it. It is like watching parents fight. Some players, I tell you, will literally get scarred by it. And these are the nicest, gentlest, players you would want for your ecosystem, but which I estimate, are all but extinct since the 2 years and some of WoWs, because there is precious little things of that kind nature to sustain them here. The only remaining players are the salt-resilient strains, or the salt-loving strains. haha. It's not like the game is gentle and kind, bringing in that kind of people, either. With appropriate features to sustain on-the-side activity (note: user activity) of that sort. Cartoons and stuff are nice and all but they are like icing on a barren wasteland. You still lack the cake.

 

\\\\\\\

For instance, examples of "organic" procedures, adhering to my interpretation of "desired post types", the WG community staff would, each week, pick a thread they found interesting. Thread opener gets a container, and a random container draw is also distributed amongst participants. - This would send a message of what kind of posts are "desired".

 

Assuming a standardized and resilient procedure to generate "quality posters" was in place (you know, with trials, outlines, structure, customization and such), each quality poster would also, each week, be able to recommend a thread or post they found interesting. Writer gets a container.

 

Quality posters also get some containers per week for their efforts. In return, they are expected to produce higher-quality posts, with some effort, in "good" formats and on relevant topics, but with their personal style (as was customized and is still customizable as part of their title), to make forums "great again".

 

Was that even complicated?

 

Extended ideas could even be a “weekly forum post digest” or “a post from today in yesteryears” or “remember this post/poster?” type of tally, which would have also ideally happened organically, positively, and not to mention, constructively. But, it could also have sprung from not-too-WG-sanctioned threads such as one which specifically presents paradox questions on “would this person fit as a quality poster”?

\\\\\\\

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

But instead, WG prefers their kinds of tactics like "make an art competition more cutthroat than a refugee program". "Give a holy-boatload of premiums to players who 'recommend friends', but nothing to current players." "Give 'quality posters' their own private subsection to lament about how they take a face-full of salt every time they even post, but not even discussion permission to the general public (note: WG worded it as no-discussion, but it was probably just no-negotiation on final decisions. Still, not reading nice either way. Can't they at least learn to word it like milk and honey?)".

 

Sometimes WG really needs to think, to think on the logic, the kind of message their action sends. And how there are other more diplomatic, subtle, even smarter and indirect, ways to achieve that, without barrowing through everything with the force, but grace, of a semi-truck. 

 

For instance, if WG gave containers out of their own pocket, just a few per week, to popular, loved posters, that the playerbase chose, this can be indirectly read as "WG sponsors charity for playerbase, to playerbase, out of their own pocket". Double, idk, triple logic perspective win? This wasn't even a very long logic train. And a few containers per week isn't even expensive, yet, the organic results this generates produces much more indirect benefit, and thus more room and options for WG to maneuver in other things as well, than their little cost on WG. Yet, the way WG logic currently would see it, is "we are giving players actual stuff, for virtually nothing in return, on something that we do not even control? nit." I'm just flabbergasted.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

And then there are the "big boys", the streamers, community contributors, stats' website owners and mod-makers. Honestly, the stuff they do is actually worth money (aka. free marketing or technical, or content), and there is very good reason to put attention and effort to them, and accommodate them well.

 

But there are also "softer" things, like running community-content, "soft" content that is not hardcore marketing, content borne out of love and passion like fan-organized historic battles, fan-effort newbie help, unique ideas and playstyles and settings, sometimes just translating and bringing in historical writings, maybe just making funny posts and salty sea-stories, or even drawing fan-pictures and cartoons, do these truly mean nothing? IN fact, they could mean even more, to the players, than all of WG's big boys and their stuff. Though understandably, they mean nothing to WG. WG can use money to hire artists, they can use money to hire lawyers, and they can use money to out-compete other "softer" companies. Why bother?

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

And then there are the "Higher things". Things that can elicit the best of peoples. Things that should have been represented, and truly honored, both in action and spirit, in this game. Things that, while some perspectives of logic would dismiss as unnecessary, could instead lead to writings like 

which, if written by someone with better writing skills, could rally like no other. Idk, like professional writers WG can pay. Or artists, to express more subtly in writing. Or idk, just design it into the game system itself. Aka. just make a better game.

 

Because in the end, we want to fill our ecosystems not with single specimens, but whole strains, strains of logics, good logic, kind logic, higher logic, in post, in action, in attitude. Ahaha, but this is a bit too hard for WG to take in a non-salty way eh? We might as well be saying "world is all unicorns and rainbows", and should be rightly dismissed as mad, outrageous, whining, unproductive salt, toxic malicious intent, because it actually hurts, like salt in the wound should. A festering, rotten wound.

 

Honestly though, with this kind of attitude and use of language, in another time, I'd be in the gulags already. And the forums are hardly comparable with Gulags, so it's my fault.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

 

Honestly, had he even responded with something just hinting at taking a step back, no even need to apologize, just a bit of reflection, understanding, I would have been ready to publish a full shameless apology criticizing myself, but trying to bring things back in a positive light and to higher things, in the kind of spirit and reflection of the writing above. But no. Scared off, hole up, like WG do. No fire, no drive, no logic, nit. Cold, rigid, barren. Perfect comparison. That wait, was the final, unspoken, test.

 

Those that step in the spotlight, onto the speaking block, must be ready to respond with kindness and friendly comeback, even to the one who will cry you murdered their family. And rest assured there will always be one poking at you. If you cannot take that kind of thing, not even mentioning handling it in a positive way, then there is no place in the spotlight. But it needn't be like this. It could be kinder, gentler, with less pressure, with more room for personality and understanding, with room to back and advance, and mutual goodwill that can take a jest or two. With a system, and structure, that does not provoke these kind of hardened "political, corporate", responses from the other side, because why need, if they do not see the need to test, to anti-trust, to poke at the speaker? These strains of logic, is really, things WG will have to understand and act by. 

 

I mean, I saw some forum people who would otherwise not even bother to start a thread, tried to start threads dealing in statistics or serious stuff. Tried to increase thread count. Tried to post to regular quality, even though have not posted in long time. I saw passion, excitement, action, I mean, this initiative is hardly dead. If WG would will it. Plants can be more resilient than expected, even on barren wastelands.

 

But with the current chain of events, I'm just like, flabbergasted. Any plant able to resilient its way through even this wasteland, is either weeds, or some mutated bug-eater zombified-tree species. Like, just, flabbergasted. heheheheeh.

 

 

 

Can I haz some of whatever you took? ;)

 

I am happy to report that @TheCinC will become our newest quality poster whenever the admin panel for the forum decides to load (maybe tomorrow).

 

Please do keep nominating people guys!

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 2 Stunden, MrConway sagte:

Please do keep nominating people guys!

Vor 2 Stunden, MrConway sagte:

there was only one new nomination that did not quite cut it due to some warnings on the profile.

Just ignore a few warnings and you have some more nominations

[LilJumpa]

4 hours ago, MrConway said:

 

 

Can I haz some of whatever you took? ;)

 

I am happy to report that @TheCinC will become our newest quality poster whenever the admin panel for the forum decides to load (maybe tomorrow).

 

Please do keep nominating people guys!

 

Congrats @TheCinC

 

How is Sehales and the german part of this initiative coming along?

[MrConway]

12 hours ago, LilJumpa said:

 

Congrats @TheCinC

 

How is Sehales and the german part of this initiative coming along?

 

We might indeed roll it out to our German friends in future as well, but we're still looking at how it is working here :)

[TheCinC]

*blush*

 

Actually not that active on the forum any more due to playing more than writing about it..

But thanks for the compliment and for being nominated in the first place, which is also a huge compliment of its own.

 

Thanks @KarmaQU_EU for the nomination!

 

And thanks to everyone who helped to make several of my topics so successful they got a spot of their own.. One of them even spawned its own subforum..

[KarmaQU_EU]

 

[KarmaQU_EU]

While I am very happy to know the initiative was not canned, that does not mean I am now fully satisfied, or unconditionally supportive of it now.

I still think it needs to be reviewed, and probably improved, in some way, idk, just to be better.

This is not me calling for WG to remake a whole game or anything as grand and unreasonable as that ... it is just a feeling that this thing can be rolled out better. Unfortunately I am not a PR specialist so I am not sure exactly how and what changes are necessary to improve it.

 

But ... some salty things that just come to my mind ... the recent Australian population-wide gun buyback, was done "unconditionally" ... it means as long as you bring in your gun, no questions asked, no information recorded, nothing else required. As a gun buyback should be.

 

This quality poster initiative ... is it wrong for me to compare it to serious, complicated, politically loaded real world things, which require mass forgiveness in order to happen? Not just gun buybacks too. Multiple examples spring to mind. But Idk. It is not an easy question. Should a "mass forgiveness" of "friendly reminder" transgressions, no, even actual warnings, be enacted, in order to enact a forum-wide credit system with "quality poster initiative" as core in whole or part of it? Not just a new beginning, but a new trial, for both sides of the community, for everyone, in hopes of a new restart for the forum atmosphere? 

 

I cannot know. These things are not lightly spoken about or hastily concluded.

 

I only know that as of now, I am not very motivated to continue searching through old posts, to find quality posters and spoonfeed them to WG one by one, or god forbid, to attempt to even make a quality post myself. In some sense, this initiative has been counterproductive and demoralizing for some, has been completely overlooked by others, and for very few, caused unnecessary and uncertain complications. Which I am not sure motivates them to continue making more "quality" posts, if posts at all.

 

Idk, just, for once WG, could you do something that is highly skilled, highly intelligent, politically savvy, yet pleasing to all, and impress me.

 

Personally I think it would have been better if the focus was on quality posts of various levels, instead of quality posters.

[RedOnly]

On 3/12/2018 at 12:48 PM, KarmaQU_EU said:

WARNING: KarmaQu extreme-salty level post. The salt-level in this post is not good for health. You have been warned. Rock salt sea salt fermented salt. If you cannot stand salt, stay away for your own health. Because the amount of salt in this post would melt 10 feet snow and make a deer swoon+hallucinate. It will also make your hair curl, on contact, like The Mummy.

 

The problem is, WG is trying to grow something organic in a salt-infested, barren wasteland, which is not an ideal ecosystem for something nice.

..............................................................

 

But with the current chain of events, I'm just like, flabbergasted. Any plant able to resilient its way through even this wasteland, is either weeds, or some mutated bug-eater zombified-tree species. Like, just, flabbergasted. heheheheeh.

Nice karma , man! I love irony in life, as much as possible!

 

[KarmaQU_EU]

@Sharana Has some very useful guides on the newcomers section. Sharana was supposed to be my nomination for this month.

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/forum/174-newcomers-section/

 

Someone without conscientious objection to how WG is running this initiative is free to properly nominate Sharana as a quality poster instead of me.

 

I’m gonna wait till wg improves it.

[LilJumpa]

18 hours ago, KarmaQU_EU said:

@Sharana Has some very useful guides on the newcomers section. Sharana was supposed to be my nomination for this month.

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/forum/174-newcomers-section/

 

Someone without conscientious objection to how WG is running this initiative is free to properly nominate Sharana as a quality poster instead of me.

 

I’m gonna wait till wg improves it.

 

Are you aware tha sharana is/was a very active Alpha and Beta tester but does not really play this game anymore and hasn't posted in 1.5 years?

 

 

[KarmaQU_EU]

7 hours ago, LilJumpa said:

Are you aware tha sharana is/was a very active Alpha and Beta tester but does not really play this game anymore and hasn't posted in 1.5 years?

That’s the point. I’m nominating Sharana (inactive) to show the point of quality posts over quality posTERs.

And as defiance against the initiative.

 

p.s. And just in case WG still misses the message, there are people who gave up, and left. Sharana is one of them. Do not pretend the gulag does not exist, and that we do not lose good people.

[Bellegar]

On ‎2‎-‎4‎-‎2018 at 9:33 AM, LilJumpa said:

 

Are you aware tha sharana is/was a very active Alpha and Beta tester but does not really play this game anymore and hasn't posted in 1.5 years?

 

 

Well, I think I'd have to agree with @KarmaQU_EU on this one.

Yes, he has left us (), but that shouldn't matter. We can still see his posts, and (especially newcomers, who wouldn't know him) would still see the Quality Poster Badge next to his guides. I think it still has added value for those new players to see that what he writes/wrote is of good quality.

[AirSupremacy]

@MrConway

I like the idea of the idea of the quality poster initiative.

 

Currently, the "Freak out wordings" which lead to rage post titles, possible insults, trash talk and policy violation post responses probably are:

 

CV , Planes, Torpedos, Rockets, Submarines

 

"CV" is an all-time insult, rant runner, message or in-game harassment, bully or death wish message trigger since the beginning of the game. Current gameplay critics are more or less valid, sure.

Perhaps it would be nice to have a dedicated CV & Submarine forum section, but it may end in a bubble of people all talking to themselves.

 

Same with segregating game modes, excluding minority group players ( CV and someday perhaps Submarines & DD Waterbombs ).

If the BBs had an own BBs s BBs game mode, the main random matchmaking could perhaps be required to fill with bots...Due to too many players being in other game modes.

 

IMHO what pulls the entire quality of the forum and postings down is the relaxed moderation and enforcement of forum rules, allowing lots of posts with titles like "Game is fkd", "Sack soanso at WG", "Im quitting the game", "Soandso is crap", "Petition against xzy", "WG office details to complain" etc.

Some (steam) game forums punish such posts within 5 minutes, with several moderators patrolling a 24 hour forum window.

 

Such policy violation rage posts on some games or with some publishers are gone before people can reply in masses, including instantly removing posts which have nothing to do with the section topic or which include any insult or personal attack, leading most likely to further trash talk and rage in such threads. Some game companies pro-actively monitor and harsh enforce forum policy punishment of one week minimum, up to 1-month punishment per single forum offense ( instantly applied with no appeal option in the forum and/or game ). The learning effect by the offenders and the average forum and in-game chat quality can increase big time. A forum policy is only as good as its pro-active enforcement and monitoring.

 

I know moderating is a lot of work and a balance of interest(s).

 

My 50 cents,

everyone enjoy WoWs :-)