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Why have they not got HE. The Edinburgh is good except its like firing snowballs at Battleships. (eg. 36 hits, 7K damage)

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WG thought that would be interesting...

 

Balancewise it is no problem, but it eliminates choice.

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30 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

WG thought that would be interesting...

 

Balancewise it is no problem, but it eliminates choice.

In some cases that's good. You can't see geniuses firing HE at broadside cruisers at point blank.

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Pick another target than a heavily angled battleship? If you have nothing but an heavily angled battleship to shoot at, then you've either picked the wrong position to be in, or something else went horribly wrong with the match that has little to do with RN CLs not having HE.

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16 minutes ago, domen3 said:

In some cases that's good. You can't see geniuses firing HE at broadside cruisers at point blank.

Everybody should have a chance to learn.

UK CL deny you that chance.

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Its because that's what the ships had if you google it you will find the info in wiki.... I to thought it strange and a pain in the butt

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6 minutes ago, ___Jambo___ said:

Its because that's what the ships had if you google it you will find the info in wiki.... I to thought it strange and a pain in the butt

 

In all fairness I do believe all warships fired exclusively armour piercing ammunition in ship-to-ship combat. High explosive shells were used for shore bombardment.

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6 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

 

In all fairness I do believe all warships fired exclusively armour piercing ammunition in ship-to-ship combat. High explosive shells were used for shore bombardment.

If you look at wiki that's all they carried was APHE it wasn't a normal AP it had a small charge that did go bang but mainly it was APHE 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armor-piercing_shell

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1 minute ago, ___Jambo___ said:

If you look at wiki that's all they carried was AP it wasn't a normal AP it had a small charge that did go bang but mainly it was AP 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armor-piercing_shell

 

Every single armour-piercing shell ever since naval artillery had done away with solid shot has had a bursting charge. British SAP is no different in that regard.

But high explosive fragmentation ammunition (given the splash damage effect for HE shells over AP shells I'm assuming they're fragmentation shells) was used for shore bombardment against soft targets.

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On 18/01/2018 at 4:01 PM, Aotearas said:

Every single armour-piercing shell ever since naval artillery had done away with solid shot has had a bursting charge. British SAP is no different in that regard.

Only British/some US tank ammo was solid AP, due to penetration being more important. In naval warfare, damage was important. If you think about it, a solid AP shell weighing about 100kg isn't going to do much to a 5-10,000 tonne ship. The shell would make a clean entry hole, then pass clean through the hull doing minimal damage unless you were unfortunate enough to stand in the way. The bursting charge breaks the shell up, wreaking havoc in small spaces and creating splinters that mess up bulkheads, machinery etc.

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The key differences concerning SAP vs. APHE is the fuse and amount of explosive mass. APHE is designed to deal with armoured targets, so to make a strong shell the amount of HE is reduced. The fuse will also be less sensitive so it is able to pass through thin armour (i.e. spaced armour on French cruisers) and get to the citadel.

SAP is more of a multi-purpose round, so has more HE and a more sensitive fuse. It will penetrate less, but have a greater fragmentation effect and will detonate on thinner plating. the picture is a SAP round used by the D5.25" DP gun. Compare to the US 5" round and you can see what I mean. Much saller bursting charge, but perhaps a greater penetration value. (Also, exp. D is a worse explosive than TNT in terms of power)

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On 18.1.2018 at 4:44 PM, Aotearas said:

 

In all fairness I do believe all warships fired exclusively armour piercing ammunition in ship-to-ship combat. High explosive shells were used for shore bombardment.

 

Not really. Small ships like destroyers fired almost exclusively High Explosive rounds. 

 

Cruisers fired both (examples would be Eugen in the Denmark Strait and the Yamato Taskforce engaging destroyers of a US escort carrier taskforce).

 

Even capital ships fired HE occasionally. SMS Lützow engaged her opponent during the run to the South at Jutland with HE shells whereas Derfflinger fired AP. Which was the single reason why Lion survived. Had Lützow fired AP, Beatty‘s flagship would have likely met Queen Mary’s fate. While this engagement only shows a poor ammunition choice by Lutzow’s artillery officer it proves the fact that capital ships carried a certain amount of HE shells. But you are right that the primary ammunition type for ship to ship engagements was AP except for very small (eg Destroyer) guns.

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