HMS Hermes

[thewildgam3r]

Since we now have HMAS Vampire in game can we get HMS Hermes as well as a premium? She would make a great addition as a tier 4 or 5 carrier for the UK. She was also one of the first ships purposely built as a carrier. Hermes and Vampire both fought side by side in battle off of Ceylon - modern day Sri Lanka and both were part of the scrap iron flotilla. What does everyone think? :)

[El2aZeR]

No new CVs until rework.

Rework will be done soon™.
 

[Kais_S012]

3 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

No new CVs until rework.

Rework will be done soon™.
 

they said that last time and we still somehow ended up with the Kaga, Enterprise and botched hail=mary Graf Zeppelin last year

[T0byJug]

HMS Hermies was the first CV to be laid down. Though not first launched  (that honer goes to Hosho). I would love to see her in game. But I would be surprised if WG would ever release a Tier 4 or 5 Prem CV.  As a prem with high tier commanders it would just be SOOOOOO OP.

 

HMS Hermies will probably be the tier 4 Tech tree RN CV. 

[Elypse201]

10 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

HMS Hermies will probably be the tier 4 Tech tree RN CV. 

Someday, maybe 

 

RN CVs will be released with Star Citizen and Half Life 3 

[RAHJAILARI]

I think WG will probably come up with a complete British tech tree for CV's at some point, there is probably a fair chance Hermes will be featured in there somewhere.

[Exocet6951]

4 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

I think WG will probably come up with a complete British tech tree for CV's at some point, there is probably a fair chance Hermes will be featured in there somewhere.

 

They would be foolish not to.

It's one of three in the super exclusive 'I owned more than one aircraft carrier in WWII" club, on top of having some of the finest planes of that era.

[RAHJAILARI]

I would not be surprised, if they released the Brit CV line this year or early next year by the latest. CV players do need some more variation too and the Brits are pretty much the only country left, who did possess enough carriers to make into a tech tree anyways. And since we have already had many of the other ship types it seems like it would be the right time to do it ASAP, in fact.

[T0byJug]

4 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

I would not be surprised, if they released the Brit CV line this year or early next year by the latest. CV players do need some more variation too and the Brits are pretty much the only country left, who did possess enough carriers to make into a tech tree anyways. And since we have already had many of the other ship types it seems like it would be the right time to do it ASAP, in fact.

Common sense would tell me the next Tech tree line for RN will be DDs since we will soon have 3 prem DDs... But my Suspicion is not use DD players will just be left with more and more Prem RN DDs

[RAHJAILARI]

3 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Common sense would tell me the next Tech tree line for RN will be DDs since we will soon have 3 prem DDs... But my Suspicion is not use DD players will just be left with more and more Prem RN DDs

OH NOES! What a horrible thing to say. let us hope that will not happen, an RN DD line should be mandatory. They had quite enough for 2 lines in fact. let's just hope they will not be too gimmicky.

 

Err, OK on second thought, looking at the past RN ship lines that hope may be rather faint...

[philjd]

Given that we are getting French BB's, new US cruisers, then perhaps Italian cruisers (?), RN DD's (?), I would suspect that a new CV line would not be high on the priority list, unless they sort out CV issues (but given the time it took to revamp arty in WoT.....).

 

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[RAHJAILARI]

Yeah, damn this is getting depressing... Maybe they should just add land-based Zeppelins to the game and be done with it.

[T0byJug]

1 minute ago, RAHJAILARI said:

OH NOES! What a horrible thing to say. let us hope that will not happen, an RN DD line should be mandatory. They had quite enough for 2 lines in fact. let's just hope they will not be too gimmicky.

 

Err, OK on second thought, looking at the past RN ship lines that hope may be rather faint...

2 and the rest.. said in threads before there are over 40 distinct classes of DD Comparable to with the game and unlike the US line for example that basically have same armament from tier 6+ RN DDs can have 4-10 Torps  in 1 or 2 launchers 102mm 120mm and 128mm guns in single and double with 2-5 mounts on a DD, DP and LA(Low Angle) guns. The Veriation in RN DDs is HUGE 

[RAHJAILARI]

Yeah, @T0byJug I am familiar... I have always found it rather mystifying that we are completely lacking an RN DD line up to now. In fact, that was one of the very first things I expected to see, when I started playing this game way back when.

[Kais_S012]

if at all the first premium UK CV to me should be HMS Victorious with lend/lease aircraft. (Initially I would have argued for Avengers and Wildcats but with the Wildcat being dropped down to tier 5 a while back I think it would have to carry Hellcats or take a Saipan approach and use smaller squadrons of  corsairs)

 

or

 

a Ruler class escort carrier (a bogue) with British aircraft aboard (sea hurricanes and swordfish) but then who's going to want a Tier 5 premium carrier with CV gameplay restricted the way it is now until you reach tier 6?

 

the british designed enough aircraft carriers and planes to fill the entire tree. I'm not going to lie, I really dont want to see Wargaming taking the lazy way out and recycling USN aircraft and CVs on the tech tree line. keep any lend/lease options as purely premium options or as a split off further down the games development.

 

I have to agree with T0byjug, the Hermes should be the UKs starting carrier

[RAHJAILARI]

Personally, I am somewhat apprehensive as to what gimmick exactly is WG going to pull on the poor things. I do hope they will just make them solid, good'ole basic carriers with sound plane loadouts and appropriate British planes but I keep having some lingering doubts tho....

 

Like maybe AP bombs AND DW torps? The GZ disaster multiplied by 10?

[T0byJug]

5 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Yeah, damn this is getting depressing... Maybe they should just add land-based Zeppelins to the game and be done with it.

RN has not done to bad..

 

IJN and USN were obvious choice for start. Its a WW2 centric game and they are the nations that had Truly Epic encounters. Russian Navy.. Game is made in St Petersburg so ..... other nations need tech trees as well..

 

RN has 2 good powerful tech lines. +3 Prem DDs and 4 prem BB We had the Belfast.. I would not be surprised if we see a replacement Prem Cruiser for RN soon. HMS Caroline a good choice for a low tier CL as she is a surviving Jutland ship at tier 3

 

I can see a Prem CV coming soon. Just to keep people going.. HMS Ark Royal anyone......

[1MajorKoenig]

7 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

No new CVs until rework.

Rework will be done soon™.
 

 

This men never gets old does it?

 

 

[philjd]

Gimmicks - they would probably need something as I suspect that both Swordfish and Albacores will get murdered in game due to their slow speed.... perhaps something to replicate the fact that the R|N was the only night flying carrier force so reduces AAA and air to air effectiveness (ouch).

 

Edit - Ark Royal would be a logical choice for a mid-tier premium, single ship, very famous (will sell very well) etc etc.

[Kais_S012]

4 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Personally, I am somewhat apprehensive as to what gimmick exactly is WG going to pull on the poor things. I do hope they will just make them solid, good'ole basic carriers with sound plane loadouts and appropriate British planes but I keep having some lingering doubts tho....

 

Like maybe AP bombs AND DW torps? The GZ disaster multiplied by 10?

 

well Tuccy hinted a while back they might use the UK carriers as a test bed for fighter-bombers (capable of targeting both air and ground targets) and the possibility of rockets but only time will tell what they pull out of their posteriors

[T0byJug]

12 minutes ago, Mymeara said:

if at all the first premium UK CV to me should be HMS Victorious with lend/lease aircraft. (Initially I would have argued for Avengers and Wildcats but with the Wildcat being dropped down to tier 5 a while back I think it would have to carry Hellcats or take a Saipan approach and use smaller squadrons of  corsairs)

 

or

 

a Ruler class escort carrier (a bogue) with British aircraft aboard (sea hurricanes and swordfish) but then who's going to want a Tier 5 premium carrier with CV gameplay restricted the way it is now until you reach tier 6?

 

the british designed enough aircraft carriers and planes to fill the entire tree. I'm not going to lie, I really dont want to see Wargaming taking the lazy way out and recycling USN aircraft and CVs on the tech tree line. keep any lend/lease options as purely premium options or as a split off further down the games development.

 

I have to agree with T0byjug, the Hermes should be the UKs starting carrier

Why Lend Lease.. Give us Barracudas and Supermarine Seafires Which she did carry

[philjd]

What about skip bombing as the 'gimmick' - so no dive bombers (or no torpedo bombers??) as a choice. Although the aircraft used tended to be twin engined (or more), but not always.

[T0byJug]

5 minutes ago, philjd said:

Gimmicks - they would probably need something as I suspect that both Swordfish and Albacores will get murdered in game due to their slow speed.... perhaps something to replicate the fact that the R|N was the only night flying carrier force so reduces AAA and air to air effectiveness (ouch).

 

Edit - Ark Royal would be a logical choice for a mid-tier premium, single ship, very famous (will sell very well) etc etc.

And was the first of Modern Carriers

 

1 minute ago, philjd said:

What about skip bombing as the 'gimmick' - so no dive bombers (or no torpedo bombers??) as a choice. Although the aircraft used tended to be twin engined (or more), but not always.

I had an Idea.... Just know.. Don't know why im suggesting this as a DD player.......  Fairey_Firefly with 3 inch Rocket Projectile, main targets Cruisers and DD's so limited use against BB..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-3

 

Would give them a distinct flavour 

[Kais_S012]

2 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Why Lend Lease.. Give us Barracudas and Supermarine Seafires Which she did carry

 

HMS Victorious served briefly in the US navy to bolster their pacific fleet after the loss of USS Hornet and the heavy damaging of USS Enterprize. During that time her complement of UK aircraft were left at pearl harbour and the ship took on squadrons of USN wildcats and Avengers operating under the callsign 'Robin' as a british crewed carrier with american pilots aboard.

 

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Service with the US Navy[edit]

USS Hornet was sunk and USS Enterprise was badly damaged at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, leaving the United States Navy with only one fleet carrier, USS Saratoga, operational in the Pacific. In late December 1942, Victorious was loaned to the US Navy after an American plea for carrier reinforcement. She was not renamed "USS Robin" as sometimes claimed. US carriers used a two-syllable radio call sign, e.g. "Cactus" or "Spartan"; Victorious used the call sign "Robin". After a refit in the United States at the Norfolk Navy Yard in January 1943 and the addition of Avenger aircraft, Victorious passed through the Panama Canal on 17 February to operate with United States forces in the Pacific. Her crew suffered a diphtheria outbreak and medical supplies were dropped to her by air on 21 February.^{[citation needed]}

 

HMS Victorious and USS Saratogaat Nouméa, 1943

Victorious arrived at Pearl Harbor in March 1943 and was fitted with heavier arrester wires as RN wires had proved too light for the Grumman Avenger aircraft. Additional AA guns were also fitted. She sailed for the south-west Pacific, arriving Nouméa, New Caledonia, on 17 May to form Carrier Division 1 with USS Saratoga. She sortied immediately for a week with Task Force 14, including Saratoga and battleships North Carolina, Massachusetts, and Indiana sweeping against reported Japanese fleet activity, but without contact. Six aircraft were lost to accidents. Rear Admiral DeWitt Ramsey, commanding the Division, carried out evaluation exercises and patrol sweeps in June and determined that Victorious had superior fighter control but handled Avenger aircraft poorly because of their weight. Accordingly, he transferred 832 Squadron FAA on to the Saratoga and US Carrier Air Group 3 on to the Victorious. Thereafter, Victorious's primary role was fighter cover and Saratoga mainly handled strikes. On 27 June, TF14 was redesignated Task Group 36.3 and sailed to provide cover for the invasion of New Georgia (part of Operation Cartwheel). Victorious spent the next 28 days continuously in combat operations at sea, a record for a British carrier, steaming 12,223 miles^{[clarification needed]} at an average speed over 18 knots (33 km/h) kts and launching 614 sorties. Returning to Nouméa on 25 July, Victorious was recalled home. Though the Japanese had four carriers to Ramsey's two, it seemed clear that they were not intending to press their advantage and the first two carriers of the new Essex-class had arrived at Pearl Harbor well ahead of schedule. Victorious left for Pearl Harbor on 31 July, leaving behind her Avengers as replacements for Saratoga, sailing in company with battleship Indiana and launching 165 anti submarine sweeps en route. She also carried US pilots finishing their tours as well as two Japanese POWs. After a brief stop in San Diego, Victorious passed through the Panama Canal on 26 August and arrived at Norfolk Navy Yard 1 September, where specialized US equipment was removed. Returning home, she arrived at Greenock on the Clyde on 26 September 1943 where aircraft and stores were discharged awaiting refit.^{[5][page needed]}

 

 

in the same was as using a Bogue as a Tier V premium with british aircraft (while overly simplifying somewhat) part of the work has already been done. 
HMS Victorious/Robin = Aircraft already in game, Carrier to render

HMS Ruler = Aircraft need to be rendered or altered/ Carrier in game and just needs a unique skin designing

 

I would expect that there will be a illustrious class in the tech tree line (hopfully) at the same tier as Victorious so I wouldn't see a issue with premium UK aircraft carriers with US aircraft on board as long as the Silver tree ships have purely british aircraft aboard in the first place

[T0byJug]

16 minutes ago, Mymeara said:

 

HMS Victorious served briefly in the US navy to bolster their pacific fleet after the loss of USS Hornet and the heavy damaging of USS Enterprize. During that time her complement of UK aircraft were left at pearl harbour and the ship took on squadrons of USN wildcats and Avengers operating under the callsign 'Robin' as a british crewed carrier with american pilots aboard.

 

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in the same was as using a Bogue as a Tier V premium with british aircraft (while overly simplifying somewhat) part of the work has already been done. 
HMS Victorious/Robin = Aircraft already in game, Carrier to render

HMS Ruler = Aircraft need to be rendered or altered/ Carrier in game and just needs a unique skin designing

 

I would expect that there will be a illustrious class in the tech tree line (hopfully) at the same tier as Victorious so I wouldn't see a issue with premium UK aircraft carriers with US aircraft on board as long as the Silver tree ships have purely british aircraft aboard in the first place

I know she did that.. What i ment was RN have many Fine Carrier Born Aircraft. We don't want/Need a ship with USN Clones

 

Im not a fan of these lets make a prem of a ship that is in the tech tree but served in another navy so lets buff it and make it a  prem...

 

There are 12 compatible CV classes +2 planed and not built. Lend Lease CVs we dont need just to get a CV with a white Ensign .

 

The Escort CV in the USN tech tree line is to fill a Gap due to the lack of Proper Fleet CVs built by USN

 

Think back to the original Aircraft load out of Bogue or Independence. they carried planes that had been withdrawn from service before the ships were launched