Tekacko Players 309 posts 6,030 battles Report post #1 Posted January 9, 2018 There is absolutely NO WAY that shell should have counted as a citadel hit. Absolutely NO ****ING WAY At that angle of impact the shell should have exited on the other side and counted as an overpen. Good job WG, your master plan worked, I ragesold that POS and free XPed the rest of it! That´s the purpose of T8 cruisers anyway, right? F*ck me senseless, I actually wasted 15 minutes of my life on this goddamn thing. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] Altsak Players 791 posts 16,516 battles Report post #2 Posted January 9, 2018 I citadelled a Montana from about 11km using a Neptune. I hope the Monty ragesold his ship aswell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #3 Posted January 9, 2018 Oh well yeah, that often happens when you play Cruiser... Any Cruiser. Many things have been proposed but I do not see how this could be "fixed" Cruisers are supposed to quite squishy after all. Though sometimes I think they might be a little bit too much so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekacko Players 309 posts 6,030 battles Report post #4 Posted January 9, 2018 I understand citadels that hit the citadel, the problem is this shell didnt come even close to the citadel. The same thing as BB AP against DDs. Yesterday I shot an angled Gearing with Zao AP - only got overpens. Myself in a Fletcher I got many times deleted from such an angle by BB AP - so how come cruiser AP doesn´t fuse on that DD, but BB AP does? Shouldnt it be the other way around? I feel like the game has gotten totally inconsistent lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #5 Posted January 9, 2018 Its not only CM. Basicly happens to any cruiser, and ive done it to cruisers aswell. Sometimes your lead is a bit off, and u think, a crap, shot infront of the target, one shell hits the tip of the bow CITADEL... seems right? Its like RNG is saying when its a Citadel or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miessa3 Beta Tester 1,650 posts 8,204 battles Report post #6 Posted January 9, 2018 Well the shot came from behind as you turned out to avoid the shots. My bet would be the bullet managed to pen the hull on the way in but bounced from the hull on the other side on the way out and pen the citadell from behind. And yes BS like this is why BB AP is broken and cruisers have too low survivalrates (except hightier with heal). It is basically the same with normal BB AP pen on DDs..... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #7 Posted January 9, 2018 Yyeeeah... Perhaps you could be right there... I once got citadelled in Mogami, when I could have sworn the shell only hit the superstructure. Go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #8 Posted January 9, 2018 I hope the guy rage sold his monarch as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miessa3 Beta Tester 1,650 posts 8,204 battles Report post #9 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, RAHJAILARI said: Yyeeeah... Perhaps you could be right there... I once got citadelled in Mogami, when I could have sworn the shell only hit the superstructure. Go figure. That could be a hit and pen on the Barbette (Turretring) which in this game also counts as citadel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLUMR] Elypse201 Players 1,153 posts 14,124 battles Report post #10 Posted January 9, 2018 Welcome to CA/CL gameplay. Ask the Ibuki her hull is an intire citadel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #11 Posted January 9, 2018 Naah! @Miessa3 I clearly saw it hit just below the bridge (was quite sober at the time too) so it could not be a turret barbette either, but perhaps it was at such a high andle it went right through to the engine or something. Still.. At first I was like: "Phew, not as bad as I thought." and then: "Aww crap, it was much worse"... Anyway, Mogami IS famously highly vulnerable. Sith happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #12 Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Miessa3 said: That could be a hit and pen on the Barbette (Turretring) which in this game also counts as citadel. Nope, doesnt work. Has to be the citadel. I also citadelled a GK with my Roon TWICE in one salvo. He was broadside a bit angled at 14+km... not sure what i hit tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] Altsak Players 791 posts 16,516 battles Report post #13 Posted January 9, 2018 To the OP: maybe there was some normalization at play? Shell exit angle increased compared to impact angle after hitting the thin stern armor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #14 Posted January 9, 2018 Relax, you didn't even die from it... If it was a Devastating Strike I might understand. Some of my best Cruiser games have come as a result of being slapped at the start. But yeah turning vs a BB can sometimes make things worse as your thicken your armour to invite epic pens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SovietFury43 Beta Tester 665 posts 7,033 battles Report post #15 Posted January 9, 2018 Welcome to the dily life of a Cruiser in World of Battleships. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #16 Posted January 9, 2018 You complain after 15 minutes? Because of a citadel? How did you play cruisers before? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #17 Posted January 9, 2018 Woot?! @Negativvv so you mean, that when I turn and WASD to escape being citadelled, I might actually be facilitating them anyway? Damppit, there is no escape is there? But yeah, I have noticed something similar. I usually "get it" in Mogami especially right up the bottom, when I am already well turned away and presenting only a wiggly stern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SovietFury43 Beta Tester 665 posts 7,033 battles Report post #18 Posted January 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Altsak said: To the OP: maybe there was some normalization at play? Shell exit angle increased compared to impact angle after hitting the thin stern armor. If World of Battleships was even remotely rooted in any kind of realitly that shot would have been impossible, becuase a ships stern section is not an empty void that the shell can pass throuth after penetrating the armor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Strapps [TOXIC] Players 1,135 posts 5,968 battles Report post #19 Posted January 9, 2018 Yesterday I was deleted in a single salvo in both the Graf Spee and Molotov. I put that down to my exposing too much side to enemy BBs in both cases and see it as a valuable lesson in not being complacent. This isn't directly related to OP's issue but I feel it's important to share my pain. I'm only at tier 6 of French CL's but they seem to be particularly L and take citadels from merely being sighted by the enemy so while the OP's hit seems off on the armour model, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's a weird explanation like the shell's explosion radius being sufficient to pen the rear citadel armour plate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #20 Posted January 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, Tekacko said: There is absolutely NO WAY that shell should have counted as a citadel hit. Absolutely NO ****ING WAY At that angle of impact the shell should have exited on the other side and counted as an overpen. Is this the first time, it has happened to you? Then concider yourself lucky... btw - I cant count how many times Ive hit cruisers with my BB right midships and get 4 overpens. All RNG I guess. Or the game trolling you. Or a friendly reminder "you havent buyed premium account in 3 months - please renew. Until then, we have extended your citadell." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #21 Posted January 9, 2018 I think It may have been citadel hit. Problem solved. Close topic. edit next time sail broadside so you will eat overpens. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekacko Players 309 posts 6,030 battles Report post #22 Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: You complain after 15 minutes? Because of a citadel? How did you play cruisers before? If I complained about every single citadel my hair would probably turn gray and I would probably already have a receding hairline. I DO complain about a completely BS made up citadel, since it makes me question whether the game mechanics work correctly or not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #23 Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said: Woot?! @Negativvv so you mean, that when I turn and WASD to escape being citadelled, I might actually be facilitating them anyway? Damppit, there is no escape is there? But yeah, i have noticed something asimilar. I usually "get it" in Mogami especially right up the bottom, when I am already well turned away and presenting only a wiggly stern. Yeah it can actually make things worse if you turn too late vs a BB as you thicken your armour and makes the AP far more likely to arm inside the ship. There is almost an argument for going full broadside instead of risking a turn but neither is ideal... The last few times I've been utterly nuked as a Cruiser is when trying to take evasive action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #24 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Negativvv said: The last few times I've been utterly nuked as a Cruiser is when trying to take evasive action. Same here. When you notice, its too late, you keep on going straight - and dont forget to send a quick prayer to the RNG-Gods. I seem to get better results that way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #25 Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Strappster said: I'm only at tier 6 of French CL's but they seem to be particularly L and take citadels from merely being sighted by the enemy so while the OP's hit seems off on the armour model, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's a weird explanation like the shell's explosion radius being sufficient to pen the rear citadel armour plate. Show more broadside. If u angle in a French Cruiser, u are getting punished because of the thin armor and the spaced armor cant help u anymore. And maybe going closer towards enemy BBs might help too. Midrange engagements or closer with BB vs French Cruiser always seem to result in overpens. Thats how i see it... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
