[ORSA] A20 Players 1 post 3,686 battles Report post #1 Posted January 5, 2018 Hey guys, Today I've had the bad luck to get matched up against an Enterprise 3 times in ranked. All those three times I was in either an Bismarck or the tirpitz. I'm normally not someone that starts a rant, but after getting oneshotted twice and losing 60% hp on one go in the third match I got pissed off. How do you counter this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 3,746 posts 10,179 battles Report post #2 Posted January 5, 2018 I'd be interested to hear suggestions too; presumably, they'll be relevant to countering GZ too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,062 posts 14,663 battles Report post #3 Posted January 5, 2018 How to counter enterprise in ranked ? Either a better enterprise or just don’t play ranked. Big E is the ultimate death machine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian1914 Beta Tester 300 posts 5,993 battles Report post #4 Posted January 5, 2018 I'm just sitting in my North Carolina and I can't comprehend what planes are you speaking of, I haven't seen any near my ship... On a serious note though - just don't play a Bismarck/Tirpitz. No, seriously. Get an Alabama or a North Carolina. Those german BBs eat so much damage that it's not even funny, I can consistently land 10-16k salvos on them, even when they angle I don't see a problem to chunk a nice 7-10k. The NC is a total beast and can punish any ship quite hard if you aim your shots well. Plus with it's troll armor and amazing AA, you wont have too much stuff to worry about, other than a DD sneaking up on you. Check this game I had if you want to see waht damage potential I'm talking about: https://replayswows.com/replay/13056#stats 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PARAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 12,357 posts 17,452 battles Report post #5 Posted January 5, 2018 I'm surprised Big E seems to be the dominant CV in ranked tbh. Shokaku is more versatile on paper. You counter her just like you would counter any CV. Stick with your teammates and she can't do anything to you. Go off alone and you're dead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GKXS] Riggerby Beta Tester 165 posts 1,509 battles Report post #6 Posted January 5, 2018 Gotta love Saipan And the Big E dominating ranked. This statement either either sarcastic or funny depending on whether or not you own them, Haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATS] ColonelPete Players 21,153 posts 12,903 battles Report post #7 Posted January 5, 2018 Stay near ships with strong AA, cruiser with def AA preferred. Do not sail straight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Rhys566 Players 234 posts 11,797 battles Report post #8 Posted January 5, 2018 Playing Shokaku in ranked and not doing badly, 81% win rate and only lost 1 star so far. Have to say playing against Enterprise is a nightmare as DB and TB have such damage potential you can protect against them and deal with fighters. Sure shokaku has faster plane speed but that doesn't quite balance it in my eyes. Probably going to buy enterprise now for the rest of rank season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Negativvv Players 8,241 posts 11,737 battles Report post #9 Posted January 5, 2018 Shokaku AS is stronger on paper but having played Big E a lot in Random Battles there's a simple truth=Even an average Enterprise will win the air battle vs anything else in T8 simply because of massive fighter reserves. Sure Big E has less bombers but you don't yolo them and only use them on runs you know you'll take light losses. If a game goes on for long enough eventually you'll have air supremacy then it's bombing time. I'm half tempted to try the Enterprise in Ranked but I'm still trying to power through with DDs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saiyko Players 2,415 posts 11,622 battles Report post #10 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Adrian1914 said: just don't play a Bismarck/Tirpitz. This. And leave hipper/mogami/kiev/torp reload kagero at home as well. Thx 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] veslingr Players 2,785 posts 438 battles Report post #11 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, A20 said: Hey guys, Today I've had the bad luck to get matched up against an Enterprise 3 times in ranked. All those three times I was in either an Bismarck or the tirpitz. I'm normally not someone that starts a rant, but after getting oneshotted twice and losing 60% hp on one go in the third match I got pissed off. How do you counter this? you CV counter him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] veslingr Players 2,785 posts 438 battles Report post #12 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, El2aZeR said: I'm surprised Big E seems to be the dominant CV in ranked tbh. Shokaku is more versatile on paper. You counter her just like you would counter any CV. Stick with your teammates and she can't do anything to you. Go off alone and you're dead. Big E is dominating because 95% of rest CV is dooing aoutodrop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,062 posts 14,663 battles Report post #13 Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, veslingr said: Big E is dominating because 95% of rest CV is dooing aoutodrop Na, because E is flat out better than Shoka in basically every way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] veslingr Players 2,785 posts 438 battles Report post #14 Posted January 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Corvi said: Na, because E is flat out better than Shoka in basically every way. nop and nop.....in competitive games only AS is dooing the job......big E has no chance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekacko Players 309 posts 6,030 battles Report post #15 Posted January 5, 2018 Who thought that ranked would be dominated by LoYangs, Kidds, Kutuzovs, Tirpitzes, Enterpizes. Hmm.. is there a pattern here? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,529 posts 11,480 battles Report post #16 Posted January 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Tekacko said: Who thought that ranked would be dominated by LoYangs, Kidds, Kutuzovs, Tirpitzes, Enterpizes. Hmm.. is there a pattern here? Actually, Kutuzovs are inferior to Chapayevs (Radar is still hella important) and Tirpitzes just aren't too good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DSPA] clocky Beta Tester 287 posts Report post #17 Posted January 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Tekacko said: Who thought that ranked would be dominated by LoYangs, Kidds, Kutuzovs, Tirpitzes, Enterpizes. Hmm.. is there a pattern here? Yep , same as the name of your clan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DSPA] clocky Beta Tester 287 posts Report post #18 Posted January 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, eliastion said: Actually, Kutuzovs are inferior to Chapayevs (Radar is still hella important) and Tirpitzes just aren't too good. No. Chapa is nothing but a worse Paytuzov with radar. I prefer having a Paytuzov with smoke instead ,thnx. Tirpitz are good (provided you know how to use them) - the majority of people playing them.... that's a different thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLUMR] Seinta Beta Tester 853 posts 9,715 battles Report post #19 Posted January 5, 2018 I ended up skipping games with CVs as most of mine ended in losses. CVs are a mess and not fun to play games with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GWOJ] Dampfboot Players 935 posts 8,621 battles Report post #20 Posted January 5, 2018 I am wondering why CVs weren't banned from Ranked as well. WG publicly admitted that CVs are broken and they are unable to fix them until soontm So logically they should have been removed. Doesn't make any sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 2,903 posts 11,312 battles Report post #21 Posted January 5, 2018 Well, as a ship you try to stick with your teams AA. If he does drop you, keep your rudder neutral till the actual drop, and then try to steer into the large gaps in the Enterprise torpedo pattern. If you don't get a flooding on the first drop, keep your Damage control for the second. As a CV, I believe that a very good player will not be better in the Enterprise. The majority of players will simlpy profit immensely from the large hangar capacity. So the high average WR is no surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,529 posts 11,480 battles Report post #22 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, clocky said: No. Chapa is nothing but a worse Paytuzov with radar. Sorry, but in Ranked this alone makes a HUGE difference, making Chapa vastly superior to a ship that has smoke but also spotting ranges from within smoke that severely hurt the cap-supporting potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WONLY] Marble_Eyes Players 311 posts 12,356 battles Report post #23 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, clocky said: No. Chapa is nothing but a worse Paytuzov with radar. I prefer having a Paytuzov with smoke instead ,thnx. Tirpitz are good (provided you know how to use them) - the majority of people playing them.... that's a different thing Kutusov has very little impact on the outcome of a game. It's pretty easy to save the star though. If you want to win games and still have the ability to keep the star...play chapa. How to counter Enterprise? Just leave the queue as soon as there are CVs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #24 Posted January 5, 2018 5 hours ago, PzychoPanzer said: This. And leave hipper/mogami/kiev/torp reload kagero at home as well. Thx and smoke edinburgh. 5 hours ago, veslingr said: nop and nop.....in competitive games only AS is dooing the job......big E has no chance maybe before introduction of p2w premium ships. enterprise has stupidly strong TB and DB with good fighters. shokaku can either go AS (can still get outplayed by enterprise with good strafings) and sacrifice strike potential, or go balanced where enterprise outwins him in every aspect. 1 hour ago, Marble_Eyes said: How to counter Enterprise? Just leave the queue as soon as there are CVs... doing that already, but sometimes MM works against you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] veslingr Players 2,785 posts 438 battles Report post #25 Posted January 6, 2018 13 hours ago, robihr said: and smoke edinburgh. maybe before introduction of p2w premium ships. enterprise has stupidly strong TB and DB with good fighters. shokaku can either go AS (can still get outplayed by enterprise with good strafings) and sacrifice strike potential, or go balanced where enterprise outwins him in every aspect. doing that already, but sometimes MM works against you. Shokaku has better TBs. On click fight Shokaku wins. And again AS is how cv is played in competitive games. And Shokaku dominates here. Same skill applied Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
