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I was wondering when we will see the British Aircraft Carriers in the game? Because I am looking forward to play the HMS Ark Royal in the game if it will be added.

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I think one issue will be how to create a set of ships that fit the game's tiering system. While HMS Ark Royal (Ark Royal class) will be the name that Brits and many Germans will know (they did after all sink her 3 or 4 times according to their press reports before they got her in 1941)  she is unlikely to fit a high tier unless turned into some form of fantasy ship.

 

Also after the Ark Royal class, the wartime carriers did not grow in size much and for both the Colossus and Majestic class they got a lot smaller as the focus was on escort carriers. While the game has found space for light cruisers, I'm not sure there is much use for light aircraft carriers.

 

It would be possible to have a tier 10 ship as there is the Audacious class and just like USS Midway these were laid down during the war and commissioned after. The nice thing about this class is that one of the two commissioned was also given the name HMS Ark Royal and this is the one that sailed in the fleet until 1979.

 

 

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The RN CV will certainly come at a time, the videos about english fleet aircrafts showed us they were already modelized.

 

But there is this rework of CV gameplay that WG promised us and is yet to come. So I'm not sure that we'll get them until WG finds a way to rework CV properly or get rid of this idea.

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17 hours ago, NoirLotus said:

The RN CV will certainly come at a time, the videos about english fleet aircrafts showed us they were already modelized.

 

But there is this rework of CV gameplay that WG promised us and is yet to come. So I'm not sure that we'll get them until WG finds a way to rework CV properly or get rid of this idea.

Do you have a link to the videos as I'm fairly new to the game and have not seen them?

 

I do hope they get CVs working as I'm sailing a Minotaur at T10 and it needs more planes to shot :)

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6 hours ago, Olr_Relic said:

Do you have a link to the videos as I'm fairly new to the game and have not seen them?

 

I do hope they get CVs working as I'm sailing a Minotaur at T10 and it needs more planes to shot :)

 

 

 

Here you go ;)

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These ships could be a bit of a headache to balance. Firstly, armoured flight decks will make these ships very resistant to long range fire. However, not all of them have armoured decks, so perhaps there may be inconsistencies going through the tree.

 

Next, the aircraft used. The Royal Navy used the Swordfish and Albacore quite heavily on a lot of their carriers: slow (though agile) and flimsy biplanes. If the Illustrious class got these like some of them did, it could lead to awkward gameplay. Fleet Air Arm fighters were sub-par until about 1942/43: Fulmars are slow and heavy, Sea Gladiators are simply crap, Martlets are pretty good (but a bit slow still) and Sea Hurricanes are perhaps the best (quite heavily armed, decent climb rate but slower than is ideal). Still, Seafires, Corsairs and Sea Furies are pretty nice. As for Dive bombers, we have an issue. The Skua is a decent early tier one, but RN doctrine didn't favour dive bombers like the US Navy. The only other one is the Barracuda, but that is too slow and generally a poor plane for late war CV's. Maybe some "what-if" lend-lease Dauntlesses could be used (Britain tested one IIRC).

 

Plus, the gun power. The Royal Navy liked lots of 4.5" DP guns on their carriers (wanted them for shore bombardments and stuff like that). this could be a unique selling point of RN carriers, but only if done correctly. Perhaps they could be like German BB secondaries?

 

Finally, here's a good link to some history about armoured carriers, if anyone is interested: http://www.armouredcarriers.com/landing

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RN CV airgroups may even be sort of hybrid styles to deal with their airgroup layouts. Since both Swordfishes and Albacores served in both the TB and DB role. Though in ship to ship combat the RN preferred Torpedos to bombs. At the later tiers perhaps the could introduce Fighter-Bombers ? Since the Corsairs and Sea Furies were used as such. The Barracuda I can see being the Tier 7-8 TB with the later ship having the later Griffon powered models. The bigger issues with the RN at about the tier 7/8/9 level is how the Armoured Deck CVs make do with their smaller airgroups. Since the Illustrious were intended to have an airgroup of 36 less than half of a Yorktown class. So the RN CVs could do with additonal actions for their planes to make up for the lesser numbers.

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10 minutes ago, KIllerbin34 said:

RN CV airgroups may even be sort of hybrid styles to deal with their airgroup layouts. Since both Swordfishes and Albacores served in both the TB and DB role. Though in ship to ship combat the RN preferred Torpedos to bombs. At the later tiers perhaps the could introduce Fighter-Bombers ? Since the Corsairs and Sea Furies were used as such. The Barracuda I can see being the Tier 7-8 TB with the later ship having the later Griffon powered models. The bigger issues with the RN at about the tier 7/8/9 level is how the Armoured Deck CVs make do with their smaller airgroups. Since the Illustrious were intended to have an airgroup of 36 less than half of a Yorktown class. So the RN CVs could do with additonal actions for their planes to make up for the lesser numbers.

That sounds like a good idea, and it suits WG's style of giving nations their own unique flavour. The small airgroup was something I forgot to mention, and may be a problem considering the amount of ships that have massive AA values. I don't think the solution is just giving the planes large HP pools, as they would be OP in strikes against some ships.

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3 minutes ago, Centurion_1711 said:

That sounds like a good idea, and it suits WG's style of giving nations their own unique flavour. The small airgroup was something I forgot to mention, and may be a problem considering the amount of ships that have massive AA values. I don't think the solution is just giving the planes large HP pools, as they would be OP in strikes against some ships.

Only the 3 true Illustrious suffer since Indomitable had 1 and half Hangar decks. While Implacable is fine since her Airgroup is closer to the US levels

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10 minutes ago, KIllerbin34 said:

While Implacable is fine since her Airgroup is closer to the US levels

Wasn't the Implacable class limited in which aircraft it could carry? I think i heard that the ceiling was too low for some planes (the Hellcat? Corsair? can't remember)

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3 minutes ago, Centurion_1711 said:

Wasn't the Implacable class limited in which aircraft it could carry? I think i heard that the ceiling was too low for some planes (the Hellcat? Corsair? can't remember)

Corsairs yes couldn't be used but Sea Hornets and Firebrands were. So it may help the flavour since less US aircraft would be on RN ships.

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1 minute ago, Nimrod411 said:

It's true Brittish CV's had small hangar(s) but from 1944 they stacked planes on deck and so could carry 20-30 planes more.

When Britain was building carriers, the RN knew that just procuring aircraft to get onto the ship would be challenging. But by 1944 they could rely on solid US lend-lease. Also, the Atlantic was pretty rough, so planes on deck would probably get washed overboard. In the Pacific, the seas can be calmer and so keeping aircraft on the deck park is a good choice. It would be nice if in battles you could see a few aircraft on deck, around the island (just cosmetic, but would be a nice touch)

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4 minutes ago, KIllerbin34 said:

Corsairs yes couldn't be used but Sea Hornets and Firebrands were

The Sea Hornet would be a great fighter, I love that plane's design. the Firebrand though... *shudders* What a terrible plane. As bad as the Barracuda I bet!

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4 minutes ago, Centurion_1711 said:

The Sea Hornet would be a great fighter, I love that plane's design. the Firebrand though... *shudders* What a terrible plane. As bad as the Barracuda I bet!

But it serves as a good base for a Torpedo fighter as it was intended. So it'd be good against enemy strike aircraft but weaker vs true fighters 

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Here is a potential list of British aircraft carriers, which I hope to see soon in the game!

 

Silver ships:

 

Tier IV: HMS Hermes

Tier V: HMS Furious

Tier: VI: HMS Glorious

Tier VII: HMS Victorious

Tier VIII: HMS Indefatigable,

Tier: IX: HMS Eagle (ex-Audacious),

Tier X: HMS Malta

 

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Tier VII: HMS Ark Royal

 

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On 12/25/2017 at 4:05 AM, KIllerbin34 said:

But it serves as a good base for a Torpedo fighter as it was intended. So it'd be good against enemy strike aircraft but weaker vs true fighters 

 

Was it ever meant as a torpedo fighter? Can't find info on that anywhere. Ship strafing though with guns and bombs though :cap_rambo:

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3 hours ago, pra3y said:

 

Was it ever meant as a torpedo fighter? Can't find info on that anywhere. Ship strafing though with guns and bombs though :cap_rambo:

Perhaps Torpedo fighter was a poor choice of words, Since its more a Strike Fighter, I called it as such because it was noted that it could carry a Torpedo at combat speeds.

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9 hours ago, KIllerbin34 said:

Perhaps Torpedo fighter was a poor choice of words, Since its more a Strike Fighter, I called it as such because it was noted that it could carry a Torpedo at combat speeds.

 

Maybe ship strafing could be a British CV national trait ;) Give their fighters the ability to do a ship strafe with guns, bombs and rockets that sorta thing.

 

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On 28/12/2017 at 6:33 AM, pra3y said:

Maybe ship strafing could be a British CV national trait ;) Give their fighters the ability to do a ship strafe with guns, bombs and rockets that sorta thing.

Would be nice to get some RP 3's to blast the decks of cruisers and destroyers. Perhaps they could have a 'suppression' mechanic. If you hit a ship with rockets, the reload, rate of rotation etc. for torpedoes and gun turrets, and AA effectiveness is made worse for a set length of time. Of course rockets would do minimal damage, only break a few modules and have a low fire chance, but this could give aircraft like the Firefly a role in WoWs.

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On 26-12-2017 at 12:37 PM, Kushana said:

Here is a potential list of British aircraft carriers, which I hope to see soon in the game!

 

Silver ships:

 

Tier IV: HMS Hermes

Tier V: HMS Furious

Tier: VI: HMS Glorious

Tier VII: HMS Victorious

Tier VIII: HMS Indefatigable,

Tier: IX: HMS Eagle (ex-Audacious),

Tier X: HMS Malta

 

Premiums:

Tier VII: HMS Ark Royal

 

I'm newish to carriers (only a handful games at T6) but would like to rea ct on this.

Aren't the Furious and Glorious sister ships? Unless the Glorious is quite different (which I doubt since her end early in the war) I don't think they should be at different tiers. Maybe a British escort carrier like Bogue is an idea for tier 5, they built them in real life after all.

As for Ark Royal at T7... well, maybe the best spot for the ship... but there are two premium T7's already and grinding through it will be a pain in the bottom how it is now.

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On 03/01/2018 at 9:49 AM, Robber_Baron said:

Aren't the Furious and Glorious sister ships? Unless the Glorious is quite different (which I doubt since her end early in the war) I don't think they should be at different tiers. Maybe a British escort carrier like Bogue is an idea for tier 5, they built them in real life after all.

Yes, Furious, Glorious and Courageous were all sister ships. They were all converted from battlecruisers (whatever their class was: mounted 15" guns, and Furious had a single 18" fitted at one point I believe). As you've said, Glorious was sunk in 1940 by the Scharnhorst sisters, and Courageous was sunk by a U-boat. Furious battled on until the end of the war, but as far as I can tell there wasn't any sinificant changes made. The only real difference was that she carried Seafires and Barracudas later on.

 

On the topic of escort carriers. Britain produced the Attacker and Ruler classes of escort carriers, so these might be a good fit for T 5 as you say. The Attackers could carry 24 aircraft, and had about 20 Oerlikons, 4x twin Bofors gun mounts and a couple of 4" AA guns (probably dual purpose). Also, their names are pretty badass: Attacker, Striker, Hunter etc.

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All three of the Follies were refitted differently so they all performed differently. If I recall correctly prewar only Furious had significant upgrades given to her which was lucky that she was the only one which survived the war.

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