Ryouzanpakku Players 131 posts 1,021 battles Report post #1 Posted December 19, 2017 https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/145280-premium-ship-review-duke-of-york/ Was not expecting much yet WG accomplished to disappoint me again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RJCTS] Boris_MNE Players 1,568 posts 10,303 battles Report post #2 Posted December 19, 2017 TL:DR: crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #3 Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ryouzanpakku said: https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/145280-premium-ship-review-duke-of-york/ Was not expecting much yet WG accomplished to disappoint me again. what did you expect....we have sister ship in game.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favuz Players 359 posts 6,636 battles Report post #4 Posted December 19, 2017 Well, since it's free, we should not complain. Also, all reviews are important but have to be taken with a grain of salt, they're always subjective. For example, little white mouse disliked duca d'aosta, while i like Duca a lot (when is top or middle tier tbh). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #5 Posted December 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said: TL:DR: crap. Come on now, let's be a bit more informative shall we? LMW says this: At its core, Duke of York is a battleship where Wargaming asks the question: How much can we nerf a King George V-class battleship in order to pretend that having access to a Hydroacoustic Search consumable is worth the exchange? The answer is: A lot. I actually feel a little bad for her as she's forced to review some "suspect" ships as well as the better ones! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] Fat_Maniac [HOO] Players 2,337 posts 4,238 battles Report post #6 Posted December 19, 2017 The idea's folder in the dev office must be empty. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #7 Posted December 19, 2017 One thing I don't get is when she talks about turret traverse, and calls it bad... No it's not. It's perfectly average compared to other T7 BBs In fact, the Myoko shares the same turret traverse, and the upgraded pensacola barely does better with its 40 seconds. Can we collectively agree that for triple or even quad high caliber turrets with over 400mm of armor all over, a turret traverse of only 10 seconds over average cruiser turret traverse is absolutely not bad at all? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RJCTS] Boris_MNE Players 1,568 posts 10,303 battles Report post #8 Posted December 19, 2017 Question: In order to have hydro you nerf ship so much... but for what you need hydro when you gonna spam HE form 15km at least on tier 7? Basically none ship can reach you with torps at that tier... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,201 battles Report post #9 Posted December 19, 2017 Just a remark : aren't the different nerfs on DoY just a test bed for upcoming nerfs on RN BBs ?? If so, DoY may seem really inferior to KGV now but it could change in a few months ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POI--] dasCKD Quality Poster 2,376 posts 19,148 battles Report post #10 Posted December 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said: One thing I don't get is when she talks about turret traverse, and calls it bad... No it's not. It's perfectly average compared to other T7 BBs In fact, the Myoko shares the same turret traverse, and the upgraded pensacola barely does better with its 40 degrees/s Can we collectively agree that for triple or even quad high caliber turrets with over 400mm of armor all over, a turret traverse of only 10 seconds over average cruiser turret traverse is absolutely not bad at all? No no no. Don't you know, if a class is better than a battleship at anything then that ship is unbalanced and overpoweredTM? No, battleships must all have 30 seconds or less turret rotation speed, the top speed of at least 35 knots, the RoF of a cruiser, and the same armor and health pool they have now for balanceTM! No torpedoes though, because torpedoes are bourgeois. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #11 Posted December 19, 2017 My wallet stays closed for this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #12 Posted December 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, NoirLotus said: Just a remark : aren't the different nerfs on DoY just a test bed for upcoming nerfs on RN BBs ?? If so, DoY may seem really inferior to KGV now but it could change in a few months ... watched stream from mrconway where he said that RN in generally perform averagely and that they dont plan to nerf RN BB in any way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #13 Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Negativvv said: Come on now, let's be a bit more informative shall we? LMW says this: At its core, Duke of York is a battleship where Wargaming asks the question: How much can we nerf a King George V-class battleship in order to pretend that having access to a Hydroacoustic Search consumable is worth the exchange? The answer is: A lot. To be fair I am not convinced KGV itself is well balanced either on the other end of the spectrum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #14 Posted December 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, dasCKD said: No no no. Don't you know, if a class is better than a battleship at anything then that ship is unbalanced and overpoweredTM? No, battleships must all have 30 seconds or less turret rotation speed, the top speed of at least 35 knots, the RoF of a cruiser, and the same armor and health pool they have now for balanceTM! No torpedoes though, because torpedoes are bourgeois. It's pretty much feeling that way more and more yeah... Seriously, 45 seconds might be bad on a cruiser that moves a lot, or god forbid on a DD, but on a BB? Come on, I would agree to calling 72 seconds bad, even 60 seconds to be pretty bad. But 45? Christ, at least pretend not to want to have your hand held on every single aspect of your ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #15 Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Negativvv said: LMW says this: At its core, Duke of York is a battleship where Wargaming asks the question: How much can we nerf a King George V-class battleship in order to pretend that having access to a Hydroacoustic Search consumable is worth the exchange? The answer is: A lot. Looks like a rushed balancing job to me, with the cruiser fire and DCP rules but without a heal it would've been an interesting ship and probably okay, but WG decided it must have a repair consumable so started swinging away with the nerf-bat until it becomes just a bad KGV clone. Hopefully WG will think again, because at the moment the only thing this ship is good for is playing one game to activate the NYR mission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acetessigester Beta Tester 237 posts 19,475 battles Report post #16 Posted December 19, 2017 DoY was controversial but interesting before. So I decided to buy it to save some time. After WG's hard work I have changed my mind because this ship is just an overnerfed crap now. Please don't remind me DoY is "free". People have to spend much time on earning it if they don't pay. Time is never free. And if you wanna play such a ship, why not choose KGV, which is significant better than "Duck of York"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #17 Posted December 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Capra76 said: Looks like a rushed balancing job to me, with the cruiser fire and DCP rules but without a heal it would've been an interesting ship and probably okay, but WG decided it must have a repair consumable so started swinging away with the nerf-bat until it becomes just a bad KGV clone. Hopefully WG will think again, because at the moment the only thing this ship is good for is playing one game to activate the NYR mission. Think it's too late now, looks like it'll be released in days. DoY sums up 2017 for WoWS in a self enclosed Xmas gift. Year of the MEH BB. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #18 Posted December 19, 2017 Ok -1 consummables mmmm not sure about that. Turret Traverse is the same as HMS Nelson and the same as king George the V so no issue. ROF is 4.5 secs slower than KGV Rage Horror disgust.. Ow wait a sec Average damage on KGV is Way Higher than any other BB apart from HMS Nelson. Maybe KGV will be nerfed to 29.5 secs . AA looks truly Epic Way better the KGV and an AA specked commander on KGV douse rely well Will she be uber powerful No will she be UP and be the worst tier 7 BB not sure.. LETS WAIT AND SEE she is free after all Better for the game for her to be released UP and she gets a Buff than released OP and cant be changed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #19 Posted December 19, 2017 If I get the campaign done I'll probably keep it in port, I certainly won't be buying it as it stands. I didn't much like playing KGV and a weakened clone + Hydro doesn't have any wow or even meh interest factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #20 Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said: If I get the campaign done I'll probably keep it in port, I certainly won't be buying it as it stands. I didn't much like playing KGV and a weakened clone + Hydro doesn't have any wow or even meh interest factor. Until they Nerf the KGV. If you Look at the stats she is pretty OP at the moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] G01ngToxicCommand0 Beta Tester 2,177 posts 23,318 battles Report post #21 Posted December 19, 2017 Wargaming could at least have given the DoY 32mm plating, 2.05 sigma and 22-24 km range so it could make plunging shots with AP. I had planned on buying the ship outright but I am not going to pay for what is essentially a port queen. WP Wargaming WP indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #22 Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Until they Nerf the KGV. If you Look at the stats she is pretty OP at the moment OP or not I didn't much like playing the ship. Personal taste, I just found it a grind and I've barely played the Monarch I have in port. I doubt they will nerf the KGV, but that's a guess on my part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #23 Posted December 19, 2017 I really liked the unique heavy-cruiser-style DoY they tested before. But obviously such ships are "too good in the hands of better players"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #24 Posted December 19, 2017 I wasn't even excited about this ship in the first place. All this Christmas time in WoWs feels kinda bland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #25 Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, BeauNidl3 said: OP or not I didn't much like playing the ship. Personal taste, I just found it a grind and I've barely played the Monarch I have in port. Cant disagree.. but I am a DD player... Already passed the RN BBs in the tech tree with the Pan Asian DDs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
