From Reddit: "Uptiering by ship tier (2,032 random battles on NA using MxStats)"

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

From Reddit (original author: "Oz_boater"):

 

"Uptiering by ship tier (2,032 random battles on NA using MxStats)

 

 

 

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By: "Oz_boater"

 

There has been quite a few opinions expressed about up tiering by ship tier.

I have analysed my last 2,032 random battles (on NA) using MxStats, these are the results.

Each line is for ships of a given tier

The Blue section is same tiered, Red is uptiered by 1 tier, Green is uptiered by 2 tiers
The number in the bar is the absolute number of battles for that stat
The length of the bar is the proportion of the total for that SHIP tier - there is a %age scale on the bottom of the graph

 

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

 

P.S.

Added clarification and explicitly mentioned real author on Reddit!

[Gnirf]

commendable effort and thx for publishing this. As a starting point in the discussion. I read though the reddit page also. I agree to some points there where the number of upgrading is shown, I know it is anecdotal but I feel yhay in T8 you are often more alone i.e. facing larger number of T10s than in f.e. T6. But those numbers need more work and it is interesting to see just the basics. 

[robihr]

so this shows what we have known all along.. t10 has best MM

 

[cherry2blost]

Nice detailed work Leo, but could you possibly show 2 more colour bars, those games where you were downtiered by 1 and 2 as well please?

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

4 minutes ago, cherry2blost said:

Nice detailed work Leo, but could you possibly show 2 more colour bars, those games where you were downtiered by 1 and 2 as well please?

 

It s not me - I just re-posted from Reddit!

 

Original author: "Oz_boater"

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[bug]

Good work

Another interesting thing would be to break the bars up in classes, and even in ships, to see if some are "punished" more than others. I can swear that some ships are uptiered more than others.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

You can already see downtiering in the picture. 

If T5 sees a huge number of T7, then the latter gets a lot of T5. It is that simple. 

[Egoleter]

5 minutes ago, cherry2blost said:

Nice detailed work Leo, but could you possibly show 2 more colour bars, those games where you were downtiered by 1 and 2 as well please?

 

As I understand the graph then the mentioened tier is the highest tier of ships in the matchup. There is no such thing as downtiered. If you are in a tier 8 match, you'll see tier 6 and 7 ships. If in tier 9 you'll see 7 and 8.

 

Also: What Helmut said.

[cherry2blost]

The graph shows exactly what we have known all along since the T4 'protection' came into force... Tier 7 IS the sweet spot for gameplay !

[ImperialAdmiral]

Tier VI isn't as bad because plenty of ships still can compete against VIII.

Real problem is IMO V and VIII.

Being an only tier VIII in a X game and being a Mogami is just horrible. Same goes for almost every tier VIII cruiser.

[ColonelPete]

And if this could be done not to battle tiers, but to number of ships in tiers, we would have a more practical look.

[El2aZeR]

33 minutes ago, robihr said:

t10 has best MM

 

Dude please.

T1 is obviously superior because you don't even need to grind it. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

The sample size is still too small though. 

And yes, having the number of ships you meet from each tier, would be more useful. 

[Capra76]

31 minutes ago, bug said:

Good work

Another interesting thing would be to break the bars up in classes, and even in ships, to see if some are "punished" more than others. I can swear that some ships are uptiered more than others.

 

Matchmaking is driven by the population of ships in the game and the need to have some kind of balance of classes in games (i.e. not more than 5 x BB in any one game), so if there are too many ships of one class at a particular tier MM deal with this by dragging in ships from other classes from other tiers.

 

There are an excess number of BB at T8-10, the only way MM can deal with this is by dragging up cruisers and DD from lower tiers, which is why mid tier cruisers face such terrible MM, they have to spend their time being food for T8 BB because there just aren't enough same tier ships for them to chew up.

[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, Egoleter said:

As I understand the graph then the mentioened tier is the highest tier of ships in the matchup. There is no such thing as downtiered. If you are in a tier 8 match, you'll see tier 6 and 7 ships. If in tier 9 you'll see 7 and 8.

 

Hmm no?

U might see T6/T7 Ships. But might aswell be that all ships are T8, or T8 and T7. +/-2MM is optional not a must.

 

Imo it would be nice to know which shipclasses he played at which tier. I looked at his profile at he seems to play all classes but CV pretty evenly. But i still assume BBs MUST have better MM at higher tiers, because they are the class with the most players. So MM must get more lowtier Cruisers/DDs to fill the spots.

[kfa]

Nice graph but i honestly thought T5 and T6 are equally bad (because of the protected t3 and t4 ships).

I dont think its 100% accurate, the sample size is just too low.

[bushwacker001]

26 minutes ago, kfa said:

I dont think its 100% accurate

Of course it's not, it's one players stats on a server where most of the time the MM struggles to find players for teams of the same tier due to numbers playing.

[Unknown_Lifeform]

Interesting to see some actual numbers. I've always perceived tier 8 as the worse tier for being uptiered, for some reason it bothers me less being uptiered at tier 6. In the past I've actively avoided playing tier 8 unless grinding a tier 8 ship but will happily play tier 6. Maybe that's just a result of confirmation bias or maybe the meta at the different tiers.

 

I have noticed that tier 8 MM is a lot better during off peak periods with a far higher chance of being top tier.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

5 hours ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

The sample size is still too small though. 

And yes, having the number of ships you meet from each tier, would be more useful. 

Not really, you have to look at it from an individual player's point of view. In this case when a new player reaches tier V there will be a good chance that the player in question would stop playing WOWS entirely due to a consistent bad game experience being the bottom tier close to 2/3'rds of the battles where their lack of skills, knowledge of the game and lack of research progression will punish them hard in game after game. That is not how to treat new players if you want to keep them.

[kfa]

2 hours ago, Unknown_Lifeform said:

Interesting to see some actual numbers. I've always perceived tier 8 as the worse tier for being uptiered, for some reason it bothers me less being uptiered at tier 6. In the past I've actively avoided playing tier 8 unless grinding a tier 8 ship but will happily play tier 6. Maybe that's just a result of confirmation bias or maybe the meta at the different tiers.

 

I have noticed that tier 8 MM is a lot better during off peak periods with a far higher chance of being top tier.

 

I think its because a lot of players have a metric a$$ ton of credits, thus playing mostly Tier10 - myself included.

I used to play my Kamikaze R, Warspite, Fuso, Atago for fun - nowdays Midway, Mino, Conqueror, sometimes a bit Zao or Z-52... Those are my fun chilling boats now... bad luck for the T8 population.

[Prospect_b]

10 minutes ago, G01ngToxicCommand0 said:

Not really, you have to look at it from an individual player's point of view. In this case when a new player reaches tier V there will be a good chance that the player in question would stop playing WOWS entirely due to a consistent bad game experience being the bottom tier close to 2/3'rds of the battles where their lack of skills, knowledge of the game and lack of research progression will punish them hard in game after game. That is not how to treat new players if you want to keep them.

not really

 

Don't forget that if you are totally new it will take a while to reach tier 5, especially since you'll probably start a few different types. If you don't like the game, you quit much sooner.

 

What will happen is the dubious psycho-economic model that is behind this game:

Yes, ppl will think, once at tier 5, that the tier difference is unfair and that it must be their ship that is weak (partly true, but partly because newbie) so they will want that higher tier ship faster, cause higher tier = stronger, right?

 

And there is, o so handy, another way to get higher tier ships, other than grinding through the pain.

Either unlock xp with doubloons, or just buy a high tier ship (highest will be tier 8, so still a lot of the pain of course) or make the pain last less by buying premium time...

 

At that point, you will be hooked even more. Not only do you have this drive to get to higher(/better) ships, not only have you invested quite some time already which you want to make feel worthwile, you will also want to make your financial investment feel worthwile.

 

How do you get higher ships?

Play more

How do feel better about your time & money spent?

Play more

 

And by playing more you will still stumble upon some harder grinds, encouraging you to invest even more, of course alternated with easier games, because the addictive cycle also needs its high's.

 

All quite ingenuous

 

 

PS

Wanna know my bet what the WG data (because there they will have data, contrast to certain game mechanics) has determined to be the general point of no return (i.e. hooked/not hooked)? About the time/games needed to reach tier 5. Hence the +1 protection until that tier - can't demotivate all those potential customers. Once they reach a certain point (t5), the customers won't care anymore, at least not enough to just quit the game.

[22cm]

It s also a sign of playerbase "aging", most of the old players have reached tier 10, while there are not enough new players...

[Prospect_b]

Just now, 22cm said:

It s also a sign of playerbase "aging", most of the old players have reached tier 10, while there are not enough new players...

A reason for me to not really play much tier 5/6 also is that the chance of standard games, which I detest, seems much higher there.

[Gnirf]

43 minutes ago, 22cm said:

It s also a sign of playerbase "aging", most of the old players have reached tier 10, while there are not enough new players...

While is certainly part of the situation you have lot of players even veterans that have lots of trees left. Well I have all techtrees apart from PA and CVs at T10 but I play most at mid tiers and T10. Seldom 8/9. 

But if I have had the working situation during my first 20 months I would not even be close to my situation now.

 

Your post give me however lots of inspirational thought which is only known to WG f.e. progression amongst different players, how long players remain, what is the reason that they quit/stay Which tiers, which lines etc does people start now compare with the old days where you had only IJN/US etc..

[Niaro]

His other one.