My first impressions of New Operation

[Butterdoll]

Well, I can say that I don't like the map, way too many islands, the first one, a big one in  the bottom map shouldn't be there at all, Open water would be better.

Second I don't have the slightest idea what I'm doing there, what to do, etc. the only video I saw so far was one made by Jingles and what I saw there has nothing to do what I experienced so far, others youtubers must be asleep, or distracted.

T7 ships, I don't play them for a while now, and did just a few battles in them before I turned to t6 again.

they suck, they are slow, have bigger guns that they should, what a difference, from what I've been playing.

 

My stock Myoko with a captain in the red, it's the worst one, the guns are so slow to do everything (I loose interest quite easy) , nice HE, thou. my best score so far was around 40k (2 battles)

 

Algerie, well slower than LaGal, didn't liked it very much either(lost some focus, too), my best score so far was around 40k (2 battles) (fully upgraded)

 

The "Turd", well, still the "Turd", still don't like the guns, shoot ap against everything but dds, my best score  so far around 40k or 50k (2 battles) (fully upgraded).

 

My stock Shchors with a captain in the red, was the best one so far, agile from the get go, fast guns, my best score so far, 140k in my second attempt . Need two or three shchors per game, thou, I always need to do a pit stop at the "gas station" to refill it with hp again.

 

I know, I know, I got to get used to t7 again but, what a difference they made to t6 ships . Surely the nations represented in game had or have CL's to fill tiers  higher than t6, US alone wouldn't be enough. 

 

The new patch, well, I didn't see one after battle score once, even in random the game it's always or almost always disconnecting from the server.

 

Still haven't the slightest idea what to do in there, etc. 

 

The operation itself could be very good overall, once I get my bearings in there.

 

 

 

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

I kinda liked it, the long island you mention well, a bit weird but it wasn't the end of the world (or maybe because the only cruiser I tried in the operation is the Atlanta to care about the island or prevent me to do anything.

 

I just tried twice (once with Scharnhorst, once with Atlanta), 4 stars on each try so I'd say the operation is pretty easy and simple and just having played the operation twice may be too fast to judge but the only reason I didn't get the fifth star was bacause of the secondary mission of sinking the Raptor carrier. On the second try I used Atlanta trying to reach there but there's a fleet in the way and the carrier spawn so f***ing away. At the time it spawns you also have the problem of not enough time to really deal with the ships in the way to think about sinking those first to reach to where the CV is.

 

Anyways, other that that it's a pretty simple operation, very easy to be honest, that repair point near the BBs spawns that appears a few minutes in let's you park your Scharnhorst and there's no divine reason even that can force you out of there, no one gets close enough ever, even if your shot at you're just there, healing forever you don't even need to really move from there to even be able to attack someone, you can just hit everywhere you need from there, it's actually sad to be honest. The operation is easy enough already to give that "easy mode" on top of that.

[Butterdoll]

Maybe for Atlanta, but I often do some gardening while I'm passing that island.

 

For the moment I'm not worrying with the cv, that comes later, for now I'm just trying to understand... well... everything (best position, spawn places, etc) but thanks for the heads up.

 

Two of my ships are stock versions, so not quite in position to do that (range wise). But yes, that repair point it's very similar to the op. operation new Port one's, you can take advantage.

 

Very fast paced, very intense, I like it, but way to many islands. Easy I don't say just now.

 

and Myoko's HE, well, wtf was that? fires from every where, 2 fires in one salvo, etc, but the rest hem. Like furutaka, a great brawler wasted.

 

[El2aZeR]

Tried it with Saipan. I guess this operation will be unpleasant for any CV without sufficient skill as anything and everything has DFAA, even some ships that normally cannot use it.

Also met two wallet warriors in Scharnhorsts who proceeded to be utterly useless.

We lost unsurprisingly.

[Captain_Singleton]

it's the easiest operation by far, i've found the scharn pretty useful in it, a couple of the usual youtubers have videos up about it, try them, or give me a shout and we can team up

[Gnirf]

I have in both my attempts in my KGV (then spawning at the north) moved up and taken care of the Atlanta, Cleveland and Omaha in the northeast to ensure the transports arrival and then returned to center.

Aoba that spawns in the island has been impossible to save - wonder if that is a hidden thing to ensure her survival. Two games 5 and 4 stars (failing carrier).

 

[TheIdesOfMarch93]

I did the new operation with my Hood. She's perfect for this operation thanks to her defensive AA dealing very nicely with CV planes. As well as her speed which allows her to relocate fast when needed. 

[Oely001]

I liked it, although it is a bit too easy. Always got four or five stars when I won. However, with stupid teammates you will loose, and there are lots of stupid players out there...

 

@OP: The mission briefing and the ingame messages tell you exactly what to do. So where is the problem, besides that you are bad with your T7 ships?

 

[Bics93]

I used my Myoko (I like that cruiser, I didn’t sold it after unlocking Mogami) with a 10pt captain: I achieved >200k damage twice: bots are quite stupid: HE on BBs and they will repair the first fire, AP on perfectly broadside tier 4-5-6 cruisers and it’s “citadel city”! :D

 

Also torpedoes are really poweful and you can launch them without the fear of be istantly deleted: when you score a torpedo on a New Mexico that just used his repair party, the damage counter starts to rocket :D

 

But I recognize that Myoko isn’t the best DD killer: our team had also two Atlanta and a Fiji, I think they are better suited for this mission, but they are quite fragile, better have a BB or a heavy cruiser tank a bit of damage when needed...

[BlackYeti]

3 hours ago, Salentine said:

it's the easiest operation by far

Just wait till most of the decent players get all the rewards and move back to PvP, people will be begging WG to make it easier. What I dislike about this op is that it has way too much fast soft-skinned targets meaning you can get easily screwed by RNG (misses, overpens) and the fight itself is very chaotic with enemies coming in from all directions sometimes. The airfield has only 30k HP which means even a great game can be lost suddenly because one of your teammates let one enemy ship too close to the base...

[quickr]

I love new operation. It's too easy even, much rather would prefer a tougher one. Also I love the fact it's tier 7, there are some awesome ships at that tier. 

 

 

[Darth_Glorious]

My fastest Raptor assassination run is completed in 4 mins from the beginning 

[The_Xas]

I have to agree with Jingles. I also expected a lvl 10 PA captain. So why should I do this operation?

[quickr]

4 minutes ago, The_Xas said:

So why should I do this operation?

For shits and giggles? Have fun with full div of your mates? To try something new for a change, break a pattern of grinding tech tree? Free flags and a day of premium?

 

Pick one 

 

 

[Smeggo]

After 15 runs I started to like the ops as I (and the players that are still playing it) figured it out. Still miss play-ability for CVs.

[Beaker71]

As always with these op game - the first few times it's - what/where/how. Then it gets pretty easy, if your team is half decent... IF!

[Loran_Battle]

For me the playerbase seems completely incapable of doing this again. Too hard man (I mean, its too easy if you have 1 single braincell, but we know that if you put about a 100 players of this game together, chances are you still won't find a single one).

 

The mission where you have to kill the targetted ship is the one where all my salt comes from. Every single game I've played so far I've been the ONLY ONE to shoot at the target. So every single game I've played with randoms has been 3-4 stars.

Apparently a big red TARGET and a timer is not enough for the average player....

 

Yes I'm very annoyed. Even spamming the target key nonstop and explaining in chat does not work...

[Oely001]

10 minutes ago, Loran_Battle said:

and explaining in chat does not work...

 

This is most often pointless on EU server. English is such a difficult language...

 

BTW: XP and credits are quite good if you win, and very disappointing if you loose.

[BlackYeti]

39 minutes ago, Oely001 said:

BTW: XP and credits are quite good if you win, and very disappointing if you loose.

 

That's what makes defeats frustrating and makes PvE ops chat nearly as toxic as in randoms sometimes when PvE should be an opportunity for some friendly co-op fun. I would be ok with lesser rewards on wins in exchange for less punishing defeats.

SUGGESTION: keep the stars your team earned so far before failing. Example: you completed some objectives already, killed Raptor, hoping for a 4-5 star game when BAM airfield gets nuked and you end up with 0-star defeat. Why not have a 4-star defeat instead and keep the points for the already completed objectives?

[wilkatis_LV]

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

the first one, a big one in  the bottom map shouldn't be there at all, Open water would be better

With no islands there carrier group would get hit heavily and probably decimated in the 1st attack wave. You literally would need 3 DDs to permasmoke CVs way up north.

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Second I don't have the slightest idea what I'm doing there

It's called learning. You have more than 1 chance to play it, so if you fail one just try again. Or ask for advice on forums.

Also the mission tasks are rather clear.

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

T7 ships, I don't play them for a while now, and did just a few battles in them before I turned to t6 again.

they suck, they are slow, have bigger guns that they should, what a difference, from what I've been playing.

That's a personal preference issue not a game issue

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

My stock Myoko with a captain in the red, it's the worst one, the guns are so slow to do everything (I loose interest quite easy) , nice HE, thou. my best score so far was around 40k (2 battles)

Algerie, well slower than LaGal, didn't liked it very much either(lost some focus, too), my best score so far was around 40k (2 battles) (fully upgraded)

The "Turd", well, still the "Turd", still don't like the guns, shoot ap against everything but dds, my best score  so far around 40k or 50k (2 battles) (fully upgraded).

My stock Shchors with a captain in the red, was the best one so far, agile from the get go, fast guns, my best score so far, 140k in my second attempt . Need two or three shchors per game, thou, I always need to do a pit stop at the "gas station" to refill it with hp again.

All of that sounds like either l2p issue or you simply playing a ship class that you normally don't play. Since you have 90% of your games in cruisers... I'll leave conclusions to you

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

The new patch, well, I didn't see one after battle score once, even in random the game it's always or almost always disconnecting from the server.

Haven't heard of that from anyone, so the issue is probably at your end. Mods? Run integrity check on the game or something like that? Check your internet? Can't help much more than that

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Still haven't the slightest idea what to do in there, etc. 

At least 7 games, and still... dude, cmon

20 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

The operation itself could be very good overall, once I get my bearings in there.

It really is quite good, I did enjoy it. A bit sad that they lowered the difficulty as far as they did, initially on PTS it was quite a hard nut to crack

18 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Tried it with Saipan. I guess this operation will be unpleasant for any CV without sufficient skill as anything and everything has DFAA, even some ships that normally cannot use it.

Also met two wallet warriors in Scharnhorsts who proceeded to be utterly useless.

We lost unsurprisingly.

Pretty much the same conclusion. Tried it with a decently skilled Hiryu, still wasn't a fan of it.

If your team is coordinated and can focus down the AA cruisers you do have a chance to hunt down DDs and BBs, but with randoms I'd stay away from CVs

14 hours ago, Gnirf said:

I have in both my attempts in my KGV (then spawning at the north) moved up and taken care of the Atlanta, Cleveland and Omaha in the northeast to ensure the transports arrival and then returned to center.

Aoba that spawns in the island has been impossible to save - wonder if that is a hidden thing to ensure her survival. Two games 5 and 4 stars (failing carrier).

KGV and Scharn - I'd say those 2 are the best for dealing with CLs in the NE corner, you do want 1...2 of those in your team.

Also you don't need to save the Aoba, she was added to make your job of dealing with CLs and spotting them easier

11 hours ago, The_Xas said:

I have to agree with Jingles. I also expected a lvl 10 PA captain. So why should I do this operation?

For fun? Or just get a full team and roleplay with all 7 going IJN ships

 

[BlackYeti]

Looks like all the good players got their 5 stars already...only defeats today.

 

 

[Major_Damage225]

Tried the ops last night, with Atlanta, 3 star victory, i have to say first impressions, i like it 

After the game i gotten a 30% coupon, now all i have to figure out is what to blow it on, premtime or a ship, though the first option is more likley.

Too bad i cant use it on Ashitaka or Huanhe 

[DFens_666]

Tried to get a map screenshot, but found only this one so thats gotta do when i play Fiji (being the best Silver Cruises, its very good in here too)

 

 

1. I charge the DDs. This works best when u have another Cruiser with u (best if also Fiji)

When u kill them position yourself at 2.

Shoot the BBs and Pepsicola there, u get nice broadside. Also single Torps works good, they tend to sail in a straight line.

3. Ive gone both ways. When i need heal i go up, if not i go in the direction of the CV. Going there works also best when the u are 2 guys. Alone u tend to die to the sheer amount of Omahas/Phoenix' spawning there.

4. Sometimes in the end when the 3 whiskey DDs come i tend to attack them and the rest whats coming this way. Unfurtunately due to the smoke changes u might be detected sometimes when the DDs come too close.

 

Ive done several matches with Fiji/Fiji Division, best was 293k i think, lowest 186k. All others atleast 200k+ i think 4 times 5 Stars in a Row now. U just gotta hope that your teammates kill the Atlanta in the north and dont hide too much at the repairzone...

[ShuggieHamster]

mission is pretty easy IF everyone knows what to do. one ship suicides or goes walkabout then its hard. Lose 2 and its near impossible short of a major league carry.

 

unfortunately too many people think this is a damage fiesta when its a mission with defined goals. have lost in <5 minutes when NO BB would go help the aoba. have also lost when no cruiser would tackle the cleveland where both would rather farm damage on the low tier US BBs. One guy on reddit (I think) complained that the bots dont target the closest ship, they go after the objectives. seemed to miss the point that objectives are more important than farming damage.

 

I liked the mission. have 5 star-ed it 6 times now in gneisnau/nagato/pepsicola/Blys and enjoyed the frantic game play. Looking forward to the next one.

[Butterdoll]

Done some more missions.

I'm readjusting  to the t7 again, my best score so far was made with the Shchors, the only one  (of those that I have) with 152/155 mm guns. (more on the lines of t6, perhaps that's why).

Yes, I know, it's a new mission, never played it before, etc, so nothing new so far, but in all the other missions I got used to watch it first on youtube, then play it . This time I'm completely blind.

Apart of the RU cruiser, the others don't deal very well with dd's at close range (when I'm in the repair point e.g.)

I don't know who or what is whiskey, it's ours?   it's theirs? I don't know, that message appears when I'm trying to deal with the Cleveland or Alabama.

yeah, the first time I saw that Aoba, thought a t6 in here? how? next battle I'm going to get one t6 too.

Going to play some more.