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I'm very much a casual player, and have been slowly working my way up the tiers since I started the game back in March, currently happy in T7 and just dipped my toes into T8 with Bismark.

 

Stiil so much to learn in this game, it's the reason why I love it so much.

 

Besides the obvious learning of the game mechanics, meta, maps etc, one thing strikes me as having a huge impact on a battle, confidence.

 

It doesn't really matter if you find yourself in a bad situation, or, holding a flank with one or two team mates with the bulk of the enemy team in front of you, or looking at the teams MM has dealt you, if you feel confident in your plan, you have a better end result. Sure you still lose some battles, but your performance and rewards are so much better if you have had confidence in what you have been doing.

 

At least that the way it seems to work for me.

 

Anybody else find the same? 

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Depends. All the confidence in the world won't make a stupid play work, but yes, when taking a dd fight my confidence and conviction to be better than the other guy helps a lot.

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Is this the "love and friendship will make us prevail" meme ?

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Confidence comes from experience.

You can face overwhelming odds because you know that you can get away with it.

Or you can face overwhelming odds because you do not know when to run. That is not confidence, but stupidity.

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If you mean having the balls and the conviction to see a fight through rather than bailing when it's not absolutely certain you'll win, then yes I agree. However, there have been many times I've been 'confident' a torpedo would run out before it hit me. My confidence didn't help much!

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Same as I am confident about my AP bombers... to work on Bismarcks like you :Smile_trollface: life aint fair..

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Hhehehe, yeah, the difference between confidence and over-confidence is oftentimes rather annoyingly thin. Like I have sometimes discovered in my Mogami, when after firing that tempting first salvo I have been on the receiving end of some 153 incoming shells of all calibers. :Smile_great:

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1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Confidence comes from experience.

You can face overwhelming odds because you know that you can get away with it.

Or you can face overwhelming odds because you do not know when to run. That is not confidence, but stupidity.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The more battles I play the better I am getting at reading the situation, and knowing when to push and when to run... ermm I mean make a tactical withdrawal.

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2 hours ago, Fat_Maniac said:

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Besides the obvious learning of the game mechanics, meta, maps etc, one thing strikes me as having a huge impact on a battle, confidence.

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I commend the OP on such a positive outlook. Yes, despite what some people will say, this is a brilliantly fun game.

 

However, I don't agree with you 100%. Lack of self doubt is one of the major obstacles on the path of improvement. Not everyone can be confident that what they are doing is correct but also know there is a better way to do it.

This is the crux of the issue. We've all seen 47% WR players calling other people "noobs". That's a blatant lack of self doubt coupled with unyielding confidence right there.

 

Confidence should always be tempered with a healthy dose of self doubt.

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1 minute ago, Teob_VG said:

 

I commend the OP on such a positive outlook. Yes, despite what some people will say, this is a brilliantly fun game.

 

However, I don't agree with you 100%. Lack of self doubt is one of the major obstacles on the path of improvement. Not everyone can be confident that what they are doing is correct but also know there is a better way to do it.

This is the crux of the issue. We've all seen 47% WR players calling other people "noobs". That's a blatant lack of self doubt coupled with unyielding confidence right there.

 

Confidence should always be tempered with a healthy dose of self doubt.

Oh I have self doubt in abundance :-)

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1 minute ago, Fat_Maniac said:

Oh I have self doubt in abundance :-)

 

But a lot of people don't. That's my point.

 

I have improved over time a lot but I still have a lot of self doubt at the start of each match. 

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experience just gives confidence ALong with some common sence.

the tirpitz player with 4000 battles who still rushes the middle cap suiciding in excist as well.

but common sence along with experience will eventualy learn u the things to do and what not to do in certain situations.

 

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28 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

I think you hit the nail on the head. The more battles I play the better I am getting at reading the situation, and knowing when to push and when to run... ermm I mean make a tactical withdrawal.

 

And it always helps to have fellow clan mates to back you up :Smile_honoring:

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The only time I'm not entirely confident is when I hop into a Fletcher or something similar. It just feels like so much is expected from me and since I am most comfortable with cruisers (who usually have the "honour" of doing the not so glorious supporting tasks), it can feel a bit overwhelming.

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28 minutes ago, Turnipsi said:

The only time I'm not entirely confident is when I hop into a Fletcher or something similar. It just feels like so much is expected from me and since I am most comfortable with cruisers (who usually have the "honour" of doing the not so glorious supporting tasks), it can feel a bit overwhelming.

 

I think I'd have this very same feeling if I had kept grinding US-IJN CVs past tier VI, where I stopped, since a very good CV player at higher tiers is the best match winning trump card there is if the opposite CV player is not-so-good.

 

Confidence comes with experience. Experience with a certain class, a certain ship, in a certain tier... that helps you take the right decisions. Push, retreat, turn left at that island and fight it out or turn right and look for another angle...

 

As Teob_VG says, it is very important to balance it with the self-awareness of your own weaknesses and failures so you keep improving.

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My biggest problem is that the more i'm good at this game, the more i see teammates obvious mistakes, the more i get salty when i point them out in chat and i get told to shut up.

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I tend to have a lot of ConfidenceTM in my Harekaze.

Is this why I either end up top of the team or bottom with no middle ground?:cap_rambo::cap_book::cap_haloween:

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4 hours ago, Teob_VG said:

 

I commend the OP on such a positive outlook. Yes, despite what some people will say, this is a brilliantly fun game.

 

However, I don't agree with you 100%. Lack of self doubt is one of the major obstacles on the path of improvement. Not everyone can be confident that what they are doing is correct but also know there is a better way to do it.

This is the crux of the issue. We've all seen 47% WR players calling other people "noobs". That's a blatant lack of self doubt coupled with unyielding confidence right there.

 

Confidence should always be tempered with a healthy dose of self doubt.

 

The best players typically never say they're the best. They'll say they could be better still.

 

I wouldn't exactly call it doubt though. Doubt is an uncertainty. More important for the learning process is rather the opposite, the certainty that you can do better and from that point onwards, it's a matter of indentifying things you can improve and how to.

And you can always do better, there is no such thing as being good enough, only diminishing returns.

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From playing CB I can say that confidence in your ship / your performance in it matters a lot.

 

I play BB, one of the earliest tactics that I played with my now ex-clan was to have a Hindy escorting me (you know, hydrop, spot torps, scare away the DD stuff like that). A confident Hindy player usually was right next to me or even in front of me, a not-so-confident one was hiding behind me, sometimes even so far that I had to spot those torps for myself as his Hydro simply didn't reach.

 

Matters quite a lot.

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I would not quite put it as raw "confidence" - because confidence alone veeery easily shades into overconfidence, and that gets you killed. What really makes someone perform is confidence paired with experience. That is to say, having enough experience to make you confident that what you're about to do is a good idea. Without the experience, you won't have the good ideas, or wont successfully carry them out - and without the confidence, you wont trust your ideas to be good enough to just carry out. And another part of that is, to be perfectly frank even if it sounds a bit arrogant, the confidence and experience that you are good enough to pull it off, that you will win that 1 on 1 engagement more times than not because you are probably a better player than the other guy. Just speaking for myself, that assumption has gotten me killed more times than I can count because either it was flat out wrong and my opponent outplayed me, or because I just screwed up royally and died for it. But much more often, it has allowed me to make those plays and make them work. And that is what (justified) confidence can do for you.

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Seeing that you are very open to learning, make sure you learn from your mistakes.

 

This will be the biggest boost to your confidence, not repeating the mistakes that got you killed last time. Try and put yourself in the position of your opponent and think the best way of killing you.... now imagine your opponent doing the exact same thing you were thinking, except you were waiting for him.... feel your e-peen growing!

 

Analyze your actions when you die or perform poorly, for example, you don't die to DD torps because they are OP... maybe you didn't notice that you were sailing in a straight line for 2 minutes or ignored the map and missed the fact that the DD was not spotted at all yet you were detected even tho nothing is shooting at you.

 

You will get better and then you will know the taste of salt.

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Nearly all the higher order skill in this game comes from positioning and anticipating how those positions will develop. I'm not good enough to do this yet, but a big turning point for me was recognising moments where it was better to fight hard and die than run hard and die, having the confidence to trade well matters. Trading for key enemy ships or ships you know your remaining team mates will struggle with can all be useful tactics. Even average to good players die a lot, make them pay dearly for the privilege of seeing you sink!

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