Best IJN premium commander trainer?

[Aragathor]

So, now that we have both the Nagato and Amagi A hulls as premiums, plus the Kii, which one of them is the best ship to train IJN BB captains?

I'm talking about retraining them or just cruising around to earn extra XP. Also important would be to look at the price one has to put forward to get the ship.

[SmartassNoob]

I don't think the tier level makes a difference here, so the lowest tier ship should be the cheapest. But you earn more points for winning and for contributing to the win, so you'll have to chose based on which ship you think you'd be the best in.

[Aragathor]

12 minutes ago, SmartassNoob said:

I don't think the tier level makes a difference here, so the lowest tier ship should be the cheapest. But you earn more points for winning and for contributing to the win, so you'll have to chose based on which ship you think you'd be the best in.

 

Those are three different ships, I'm looking for people's experience of them and whether they are viable commander trainers. Not every premium is a good commander trainer, in case of the IJN just look at the Ishizuchi, which at t4 just doesn't earn enough XP per battle.

 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

If you have access to a CV player for divisions, take the Kii, build AA and farm easy exp by shooting down planes.

[Guillotine]

6 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

If you have access to a CV player for divisions, take the Kii, build AA and farm easy exp by shooting down planes.

Yes you rack up exp fast, but you need to respec the commander for rest of the line. Problem on IJN BB premiums is that they are wildly different commander vice to theyr tech tree counter parts.

 

Ashitaka is pretty much the same but what iv seen and heard have abysmal shells, that are same as mutsu.

[Raziel_Walker]

Get a 19 point commander on your favorite ship. Play this with all the xp flags and camouflages. Assign all that free commander XP to the captain of your choice. Once you have yout first 19 point captain the rest is easy to level up or retrain.

[Aragathor]

9 hours ago, Raziel_Walker said:

Get a 19 point commander on your favorite ship. Play this with all the xp flags and camouflages. Assign all that free commander XP to the captain of your choice. Once you have yout first 19 point captain the rest is easy to level up or retrain.

 

That is the least helpful post in this topic. Have you even bothered understanding the fact that I have asked about which one of those three ships would be the best captain trainer?

I don't care about grinding a 19p captain, I'm looking for a good ship to retrain my captains and have some fun while at it.

 

To illustrate, your response is like ordering a pizza at a McDonalds, won't work.

[Gnirf]

I can only speak for the Ishizuchi as she is worth her money and easy to perform in. Mutsu, though I have very few games in her is a disappointment, she is not fun, I rather play Nagato. I have hesitated to buy both Kii and Ashitaka as I hated Amagi A-hull and Kii well I have all the IJN BBs and captains in everyone , but Kii has at least the working shells and decent AA, have none of these two.

[Clawgr]

Either Ki or Atago/Takao (yes you only need concealment expert to be good on this thing so if u go for concealment build on BBs it also works)

[NothingButTheRain]

Hi. I just found this by searching for Mutsu.

On 12-12-2017 at 8:37 PM, Gnirf said:

I can only speak for the Ishizuchi as she is worth her money and easy to perform in. Mutsu, though I have very few games in her is a disappointment, she is not fun, I rather play Nagato. I have hesitated to buy both Kii and Ashitaka as I hated Amagi A-hull and Kii well I have all the IJN BBs and captains in everyone , but Kii has at least the working shells and decent AA, have none of these two.

I gotten Mutsu from a crate earlier today, looked up some how-to-plays and do some reading, I needed a captain trainer because I have very few captains with 10 skill points or more and more are needed in the higher tiers (especially when playing DD or else all enemy DDs outspot you always). But the problem with Mutsu is that I played  a couple games and both games I got spotted very VERY soon (the spotted circle reaches almost to the enemy cap in some of the smaller maps) and this dictates the gameplay of Mutsu. I can't turn fast, I got hardly any AA so I get focussed a lot by enemy cv, which seem plentiful at tiers 5 and 6, I can't show broadside or I get severely wrecked but I can't hide unspotted either because of the enormous visibility and poor armor.

 

I'm very disappointed as I specifically needed a Japanese captain trainer for captains with fewer then 10 skill pojnts. This will not work out I'm afraid.

I really want to like it but I can't even get into any kind of gameplay due to its visibility.

[1MajorKoenig]

I have all 4 of them plus Atago. 

 

From a trainer perspective KII is the best simply because she is T8 and earns the most XP due to this fact. She performs broadly similar to Amagi but feels slightly less reliable on the guns (even if the only difference is -0.1 sigma).

 

Mutsu performs surprisingly good as a trainer but T6 earns less XP so she is naturally not as good as a trainer as a T8. But she is a real fun ship - in a way more so than Kii.

 

Ishizuchi is great fun but at T4 you’ll grind forever to get to 1.7m XP (19 pts).

 

Ashitaka is special - while I love her she is arguably the worst of the four ships. Unreliable AP and super squishy. There is a cartoonish camo available though which boosts the gained XP. As said - I love her but recommending her is a stretch to be perfectly honest. 

[Gnirf]

21 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

I have all 4 of them plus Atago. 

 

From a trainer perspective KII is the best simply because she is T8 and earns the most XP due to this fact. She performs broadly similar to Amagi but feels slightly less reliable on the guns (even if the only difference is -0.1 sigma).

 

Mutsu performs surprisingly good as a trainer but T6 earns less XP so she is naturally not as good as a trainer as a T8. But she is a real fun ship - in a way more so than Kii.

 

Ishizuchi is great fun but at T4 you’ll grind forever to get to 1.7m XP (19 pts).

 

Ashitaka is special - while I love her she is arguably the worst of the four ships. Unreliable AP and super squishy. There is a cartoonish camo available though which boosts the gained XP. As said - I love her but recommending her is a stretch to be perfectly honest. 

While I agree with your points I have started to use premiums differently over the last months, when I have increased the numbers of 19p cpt.

 

First  I have used more low tier premiums in the quest for 10 points, also by moving 10 p cpt from some of the OP low tier ships f.e. Duguay-Trouin (Moved a 10 pointer there to my reserve for the coming BB line. 

Up to roughly tier 6 I grow coming 10 pointers on, then by the relocation fee with Elite XP. Then I have bought Tier 10 Premcamos, to get more elite xP from my so far only 19 pointer there Shimakaze but I have 9 Prem Camos on T10s so they will become more in the future, T7-9 Premiums helps in the 10+ p captain training process. I have also the Kutuzov (Chappa 19p) for producing elitexP together with NM, Bogatyr and Chikuma, the two last low tier ships which I play as warmup + many premium ships to combine with those. And producing EliteXP can be used for every country/tree. Now when after clanwars the resetting of skill were free, I did lots of resets and captain transfers to take advantage, so I have f.e. 4 Italian 10pointers. My goal is to have just 10 pointer ready for all new lines from T6 and up. Further growth as  I say from higher premiums but then I want to do the reloc first. 

 

I am not sure exactly the correct tactic but I combine ships that are fun and what is enjoyable. I have now bought Kii during the sale for the doubloons from Santas gifts but so far no success, surely that is mostly due to me, but BB play on higher tiers is I am sorry to say not my cup of tea. 

 

Well it is a long story , but at the end of the day, now with eliteXP the best captain trainer for a specific captain can be a 19 pointer on other ships that you grow Elite XP on. A premium that does not suit you wil not be fun or effective to play. 

 

Kutuzov brings decent XP and I usually performs quite alright in it.

 

The use of flags on the higher tier eliteXP ships also helps.

[philjd]

Personally, for what it is worth:-

 

Ishizuchi - great fun and a nice ship, but it is too low tier to be a good trainer (a nice additional trainer though)

Mutsu - never bothered with

Ashitaka - will not bother with due to extremely poor reputation.

Kii - good ship to drive, if unreliable at times for both guns and armour, t8.

 

And, Atago is actually also a good IJN BB captain trainer, it needs more or less the same skill set and is a highly rated ship in it's own right.

 

So for me, Kii and/or Atago.

[ShinGetsu]

Kii can easily takes any IJN BB commander and performs well with it.

 

You can also wait for Musashi. :3

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I won a Kii in an Xmas box, in fact this Xmas I've done extremely well on Prem Ships.

 

She's a competent ship, likely not worth full price. A squished Amagi with AA and torps you will very rarely use.

 

The gun accuracy is fine but if you have played the Amagi do you know that moment when you take a big 20k strike from long range? Well you'll take even more when using the Kii. Even being angled doesn't stop you getting raided sometimes lel 

 

I also wouldn't sink 900k+ Free XP into a Musashi. A nerfed Yam will only bring pain as you deep shots and CVs stalk you.

 

I also own Mutsu but not an Ashitaka, Kii is the best trainer IJN BB lovers currently have.

[NothingButTheRain]

I've come back to change some of my initial opinion about Mutsu. Maybe it doesn't belong here but I don't know if there are dedicated threads for particular ships and I can always relocate this.

 

Because things change after the captain one trains on the Mutsu has 10 skill points (so it has Concealment Expert), it becomes a lot more enjoyable.

It plays similar to a Kongo, is a bit slower but it has torps, which can be handy for guessing the direction a ship is going when targetted (I have yet to sink anything with them iirc). But it's actually pretty decent and I like that its playstyle is reminiscent to Kongo 

But contrary to Kongo, Mutsu can be used in operations.

[Gnirf]

3 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

I've come back to change some of my initial opinion about Mutsu. Maybe it doesn't belong here but I don't know if there are dedicated threads for particular ships and I can always relocate this.

 

Because things change after the captain one trains on the Mutsu has 10 skill points (so it has Concealment Expert), it becomes a lot more enjoyable.

It plays similar to a Kongo, is a bit slower but it has torps, which can be handy for guessing the direction a ship is going when targetted (I have yet to sink anything with them iirc). But it's actually pretty decent and I like that its playstyle is reminiscent to Kongo 

But contrary to Kongo, Mutsu can be used in operations.

Well that is the main reason why I started to use the new training tactics/prem ships usage above (post 12), I use tier 6 for ships that can handle CE missing , that are so slow like Arizona so it does not matter, or DDs.

many ships get so much better with CE. I play Gallant a lot and my performance is not so good as I start a new captain every time I reach 10. However I do have a 14pointer in more competetive surroundings.

[cherry2blost]

Mutsu great ship with those lovely big T7 guns that overmatch a lot of ships... also the torps can be very LOL when dopey dunkerques rush you...

IshyZuchinni great ship... somewhat overshadowed now by the RN HE spammers Great trainer for little money

Any of the ARP Kongo's are great crew trainers too !

[Capra76]

On 12/12/2017 at 4:21 PM, Aragathor said:

 

That is the least helpful post in this topic. Have you even bothered understanding the fact that I have asked about which one of those three ships would be the best captain trainer?

I don't care about grinding a 19p captain, I'm looking for a good ship to retrain my captains and have some fun while at it.

 

To illustrate, your response is like ordering a pizza at a McDonalds, won't work.

I think you're being a bit harsh, it's a reasonable suggestion and probably a lot more useful than a ship that limits you to one nation only.

 

Get yourself a 19 point captain and anything you earn after then is elite captain XP that can be used on any captain of any nation, you can then do all captain training/retraining on that one ship, your Missouri would be a good candidate.

[Sargento_YO]

On 3/12/2017 at 11:28 PM, Commander_Cornflakes said:

If you have access to a CV player for divisions, take the Kii, build AA and farm easy exp by shooting down planes.

It's not that easy. If I am in a CV and see a Kii, specially an AA spec one, I wouldn't even fly near it. Same with Atlanta, Cleveland, Neptune, etc. The only reason to attack it would be if he becomes a priority target (getting too close to my carrier, capping and nobody else can reset) or he is the last ship alive.

[GeorgeT1012_gt]

The higher the tier, the more xp you get. But for this to work it has to be a ship that suits your playstyle.

[TekumzeWolf]

I tend to use my Arpeggio ships for training. I have like 3 Kongo versions and 3 Myoko versions. Trains up commanders real fast and they are both decent enough ships for their tier and they were easy enough to get at the time.

 

Ishizuchi is ok for its tier as well (better then Myogi) but its tier is so low that you don't get as much XP.

[Taliesn]

On 12/12/2017 at 5:21 PM, Aragathor said:

 

That is the least helpful post in this topic. Have you even bothered understanding the fact that I have asked about which one of those three ships would be the best captain trainer?

I don't care about grinding a 19p captain, I'm looking for a good ship to retrain my captains and have some fun while at it.

 

To illustrate, your response is like ordering a pizza at a McDonalds, won't work.

 

Actually his was one of the most helpful posts in this topic and certainly the cheapeast option. The thing about 19 point captains is that you use that Elite XP to get another 19 point captain, and then another, and soon you find yourself with a handful of them, which means you can retrain captains for other ships quite easily with that Elite XP, therefore there is absolutely no need to buy a premium ship. Stack a few flags and some camos that give you extra Elite XP on a tier X ship and you'll be swimming in Elite XP soon.

I had my first 19 point captain a few months ago (Seagal) and now I have one in Missouri/Montana, indianapolis/Des Moines, Anshan/Hsienyang, Kutuzov/Chapayev, Kamikaze/Shimakaze, Musashi/Yamato, Atago/Zao, Prinz Eugen/Hindenburg, Scharnhorst/Kurfurst and Z-52. Playing them regularly will net you 300-500k (depending on flags/camos) a WEEK. More than enough to retrain any captains. And keep beefing up other captains.

 

And of course, 19 point captains give you a huge edge on any ship.

 

But if you are hellbent on getting a premium ship and you have the FreeXP you can buy Musashi for 1 credit, and it's a better retrainer and credit earner than any tier VIII IJN ship because tier IX.

[Aragathor]

2 hours ago, TekumzeWolf said:

I tend to use my Arpeggio ships for training.

 

Funny thing they aren't available anymore, and haven't been for a long time. Also Kongo has been powercreeped on.

 

27 minutes ago, Taliesn said:

Actually his was one of the most helpful posts in this topic and certainly the cheapeast option.

No it wasn't, and here's why. In my first post I have not asked for the best way to retrain captains. No, what I asked for was a subjective comparison of the Nagato A hull (Mutsu), Amagi A hull (Ashitaka), and the Kii.

My purpose of this whole topic was to ask which of these ships is a good captain trainer and also a fun ship to play. Several people here just ignored it and went on about elite captain XP. I have stated early on that I don't care about it.

Getting a captain to 19p and then earning ECXP is a grind, which is too similar to a job to be appealing to me. So your post, and the posts before you about ECXP are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

Having cleared that, I'd like to share my end result:

I own both the Kii and the Mutsu. Both ships are fun to play, however I still need to find my sea legs on the Kii.

The Mutsu for all its weak points is a good IJN ship as it plays like the Nagato (well, duh). And anyone looking for a decent premium to retrain IJN BB captains should consider it first over the Kii.

I do not own the Ashitaka, but all of the opinions I heard about it were bad, so caveat emptor.

 

PS: Be wary of the Musashi, for all its strengths it's a high tier camper. And those aren't fun to play. Thank Bob I have the Missouri, now that's a ship you can play forward.

[Taliesn]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

 

Funny thing they aren't available anymore, and haven't been for a long time. Also Kongo has been powercreeped on.

 

No it wasn't, and here's why. In my first post I have not asked for the best way to retrain captains. No, what I asked for was a subjective comparison of the Nagato A hull (Mutsu), Amagi A hull (Ashitaka), and the Kii.

My purpose of this whole topic was to ask which of these ships is a good captain trainer and also a fun ship to play. Several people here just ignored it and went on about elite captain XP. I have stated early on that I don't care about it.

Getting a captain to 19p and then earning ECXP is a grind, which is too similar to a job to be appealing to me. So your post, and the posts before you about ECXP are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

Having cleared that, I'd like to share my end result:

I own both the Kii and the Mutsu. Both ships are fun to play, however I still need to find my sea legs on the Kii.

The Mutsu for all its weak points is a good IJN ship as it plays like the Nagato (well, duh). And anyone looking for a decent premium to retrain IJN BB captains should consider it first over the Kii.

I do not own the Ashitaka, but all of the opinions I heard about it were bad, so caveat emptor.

 

PS: Be wary of the Musashi, for all its strengths it's a high tier camper. And those aren't fun to play. Thank Bob I have the Missouri, now that's a ship you can play forward.

 

And the other posted argued (and I agreed) that there are better ways to retrain a captain and that you don't need a premium for that anymore, so you might as well keep the silver ships you enjoy, say the Amagi and, if you want to, put a premium camo on her which is cheaper anyway than buying an A hull Amagi.

 

"Fun ship to play" is quite a subjective thing, so I find it quite ironic that you ask others which ships are fun to play yet you seem to have already decided Musashi is not fun to play because camper. I enjoy Musashi as much as I enjoy Hindenburg or Shima and I don't necessarily want all my ships to play exactly the same way. 

 

Anyway, buy them all for all I care.