Playing as CV sucks so hard

[LongJohn_]

Thode mentioned are good. I dont remember my Essex captain skills. One point skill,  I have no idea. Two points torp accelerstion, three points torpedo armament expert or basic firing training for extra aa, four points consielment expext and air superiority. Does that make 14? I guess it does. I have 16 point captain at the moment, two points free.

 

I dont know how to use the rest. Really. I have the basic firing training so maybe torp armament expert next. You can also get Advanced firing training and manual aa but I am not sure is it worth it. 

 

Indepedence and Ranger are vulnerable to CV attack, Lex has ridiculous AA and its very hard to sink, Essex has good AA but also planes are much better... I heard aa at Midway turns back to ridiculous.

[Certios]

5 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

 

Personally, I don't use any AA skills (like BFT) because you have fighters to protect yourself and putting everything into stronger planes yields better results for me.

Iam not so sure about give those up, it happends more then a few Times now when i either lost all my fighter planes or they are far away and the other cv comes to bomb my cv and my AA just in time shoot them down, makes me wondering what would happend if i didnt have extra 20% dmg on the AA, sure i would have shoot them down after they dropped at me.. I used to have the torp skills before but since i only have 1 squad torps they usally dont make more then a few drops and then they are dead and that makes the torp skills useless in the fight while the AA still can save me during the whole fight so iam not so sure i wanna make that trade

[Certios]

2 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Indepedence and Ranger are vulnerable to CV attack, Lex has ridiculous AA and its very hard to sink, Essex has good AA but also planes are much better... I heard aa at Midway turns back to ridiculous.

When you say ridiculous, do you mean that in a good way or a bad way, iam from sweden so my english isnt my main language as you can tell by my spelling and word selections in sentence lol :)

[LongJohn_]

22 minutes ago, Certios said:

When you say ridiculous, do you mean that in a good way or a bad way, iam from sweden so my english isnt my main language as you can tell by my spelling and word selections in sentence lol :)

 

Good way. Was it strangers123 in one of his videos. Used strike Lexington which has no fighters at all and got clear sky with it. Enemy CV just kept feeding planes and Lex AA says nom nom nom. 

 

At tier 8 CV striking is pretty much dumb if there is anything else to drop. T8 CVs get Defensive AA consumable that boosts AA even more, lasts two minutes and as you know from cruisers mess up TB and DB drop accuracy. 

 

If you react in time with Lexington (with basic firing training) enemy planes drop lie flies even without Def AA. Just focusfire to nearest squad and blaze away. Focusing gives you 30% bonus even without manual AA skill (manual AA gives 100%).

 

Sure you can sink even Lex with planes but it just isnt worth it. You lose too much time and multiple attacks to do so. Not to mention loss of planes. When CV is only one left its natural target.

 

I actually got enemy Essex fooled today. I use 1-1-3 strike loadout, enemy used stock 2-1-1 so fighter superiority. All essential ships in both team in cap B, pretty even situation. I rushed in with fighters on point and engaged enemys both fighter squads. Then strafe out of dogfight and noticed enemy fighters in pursuit. I just put my fighters fly all the way around the map back to ship. His fighters were out of the battle ans I could demolish their ships in B. Finally got fighters close to ship, def AA on, focusfire squad by squad and engage them above my CV. Essex AA says nom nom nom, free kills. 

[Certios]

18 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Good way. Was it strangers123 in one of his videos. Used strike Lexington which has no fighters at all and got clear sky with it. Enemy CV just kept feeding planes and Lex AA says nom nom nom. 

 

At tier 8 CV striking is pretty much dumb if there is anything else to drop. CVs get defensiv

Yea i spared a few min to watch his video when he plays lex, iam at work atm gonna take a closer look later but that Guy is really good, if i played like a 10 part of him i would be happy lol

[LongJohn_]

2 minutes ago, Certios said:

Yea i spared a few min to watch his video when he plays lex, iam at work atm gonna take a closer look later but that Guy is really good, if i played like a 10 part of him i would be happy lol

 

Strangers is propably one of the really best. By the way I added some additional information to my earlier post above.

 

Check out Aerroons CV guides too. And naturally also Flamu has good CV stuff. 

[LongJohn_]

The radical increase in CV AA is the reason you should learn not to strike enemy CV by T8. At T7 it can be viable option, especially those 2CV games, after that its always one CV per team. Many players notice this difference at T8 the hard way. You think striking no-fighter CV down to be childsplay but lesson can be harsh. You easily lose full 2+2 strikepack (for example Shokaku) and a lot of time chasing it. 

 

With strike loadout I used CV AA against enemy fighters as well. If enemy CV just clicks your squad and forget about it just fly your squad above our ship, focusfire and keep hovering. You lose plane or two, enemy loses his whole squad.

[Spellfire40]

10 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

The radical increase in CV AA is the reason you should learn not to strike enemy CV by T8. At T7 it can be viable option, especially those 2CV games, after that its always one CV per team. Many players notice this difference at T8 the hard way. You think striking no-fighter CV down to be childsplay but lesson can be harsh. You easily lose full 2+2 strikepack (for example Shokaku) and a lot of time chasing it. 

 

With strike loadout I used CV AA against enemy fighters as well. If enemy CV just clicks your squad and forget about it just fly your squad above our ship, focusfire and keep hovering. You lose plane or two, enemy loses his whole squad.

Sinking a CV thogh DoT even thogh def AA is one of the resons tehy made that repair party last that long in the test. Geting rid of fighter interfrence and having free reign to spot the enemy DDs is a near win ticket and worth losing a strike wave no matter what WG does. plus if your down tired the enemy cv with def fire is still a easyer target than most BBs without. Shokaku def fire wont stop US Torp spreads or US DB from hiting. IJN is a bit more hadicaped.

[LongJohn_]

2 hours ago, Spellfire40 said:

Sinking a CV thogh DoT even thogh def AA is one of the resons tehy made that repair party last that long in the test. Geting rid of fighter interfrence and having free reign to spot the enemy DDs is a near win ticket and worth losing a strike wave no matter what WG does. plus if your down tired the enemy cv with def fire is still a easyer target than most BBs without. Shokaku def fire wont stop US Torp spreads or US DB from hiting. IJN is a bit more hadicaped.

 

Yep, Shokaku AA isnt as punishing as Lexingtons. 

 

Overall I still dont recommend striking CV. Sure gains are huge if you pull it off but you'd need to do it with single try, two separate strikes is double waste of time. 

 

And there comes one thing to learn and improve over time. Moving your CV. Some players even at T9 think they are airports ans never move from spawn. Easier to spot and strike there. But if you keep up with the team AA helps with potential airstrikes. 

 

Actually this is one aspect I'd need to improve. I play mostly too safely which increases flytime to targets and back to CV decreasing efficiency. Then again being too brave causes being spotted and nuked very faet by enemy fleet. Its a balance...

 

[Spellfire40]

3 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Yep, Shokaku AA isnt as punishing as Lexingtons. 

 

Overall I still dont recommend striking CV. Sure gains are huge if you pull it off but you'd need to do it with single try, two separate strikes is double waste of time. 

 

And there comes one thing to learn and improve over time. Moving your CV. Some players even at T9 think they are airports ans never move from spawn. Easier to spot and strike there. But if you keep up with the team AA helps with potential airstrikes. 

 

Actually this is one aspect I'd need to improve. I play mostly too safely which increases flytime to targets and back to CV decreasing efficiency. Then again being too brave causes being spotted and nuked very faet by enemy fleet. Its a balance...

 

The problem isnt the raw AA if you atack with 4 squads even high AA can only shot down so much the problem is how the panic efect scaters the drops . US Drops are not really scater as much as IJN you basically can land 2 -3 Torps of a paniced US while depending on what planes die you get only 1-2 on IJN and 14-21 1000lb are still a sure fire to 2 while 10 500 lb are not,

[Certios]

Well i did some thinking and some research the other day.

Manual drop and strafe are pretty hard for me to learn so i bought the KAGA.

The research i did told me its the best ship to auto drop with.

And the reasons i did it is, first the KAGA is very accurate in auto drops, bomb always hits and torps with that patthern also hits very well in auto drop.

So now iam passed that for now and can now focus on learning how to strafe properly.

It might come as a question that why dont you pve and learn, well the thing is xp, even with premium camo and flags + 100k dmg so on, i still get less xp then i would do really shitty in pvp.

But since the KAGA i had really awesome games actully, i do the 2 2 1 setup and starts with 1 fighter and 1 bomber, they go and hunt for a good target. Once they done that i start off with a bomb so its starts a fire, and if i got company my fighter will stall them. So once the target is on fire i take my 2 torps and the other fighter and go to that target, they have been close to KAGA incase enemy cv would get the idea to hit me. Back to the target, if the target put out the fire, that means he cant stop the flooding, so i auto target 1 in the back and 1 in the side, fighter is there to stall others if they come. Now if he put out the fire hes gonna flood to death. if he didnt the fire would have cause some dmg and the torps do some more. then i repeate and get a new target. This has actully tru the past 8 games been a really succés, usally i kill 2 ships and i been up to 4 ships. With the xp iam gonna lvl other carriers and once iam really good at strafe iam gonna choose another ship with better fighters so i can in peace learn how to manual drop torps. Thanks agian all that took their time and answerd in this thread, you all been very helpfull and kind. Great forum!

[LongJohn_]

5 hours ago, Spellfire40 said:

The problem isnt the raw AA if you atack with 4 squads even high AA can only shot down so much the problem is how the panic efect scaters the drops . US Drops are not really scater as much as IJN you basically can land 2 -3 Torps of a paniced US while depending on what planes die you get only 1-2 on IJN and 14-21 1000lb are still a sure fire to 2 while 10 500 lb are not,

 

This is true. Its easier to damage and sink other CV under Def AA if you run USN CV yourself. But if the enemy CV is not a total idiot you still cant do it on one run. By total idiot I mean repairing the first fire(s) the first DB squad causes and then get squad of TBs and two squads of DBs on your head... I've done it few times in my gaming history and it really is recept for disaster. 

 

I actually did a CV 1:1 airbattle in my Essex yesterday. Two Brothers. Enemy CV in their base, I get their BB and capping DD killed, cyclone is passing, I am the only ship left in my team and enemy has CV (Taiho) which is already looking for me and DD. Little later I noticed DD wen into our cap so I could have closed the distance to enemy cap but there wasnt time anyway. My position was close to southern base so it took little time to enemy CV finding me. Fighters on reload so they couldnt help. Full Taiho strike coming in but luckyly one by one. Def AA on, started manual manouvering to avoid torps and focus fires to closest squad. Took few bombs and two fires but didnt repair, waited until first waves were done and then. Lost totally maybe 40% of my HP. Got my planes in the air, scored maybe 50% of enemy HP and caused it to repair. After its repair got 1-2 DB squads in, under Def AA, more damage, enough fires and CV burns to death. Meanwhile got my fighters in the air, strafed some squad, just tailed and panicked rest and I was home free. Totally 62 planekills, clear sky and if I remember correctly both CVs got high caliber and total of 4 kills each. Enemy DD started capping but time run out and we lost in points. Would have had planes to strike it down though...

 

This is actually one useful tip too. If you are struck by enemy CV its much safer to be moving than stationary. CVs are big ships and takes time to get moving. And while you are moving its easy to turn away from the strike so your AA has maximum time to shoot down planes. After that you can also manouver to cause enemy TBs drop from bow or stern so you evade almost all of them or get DBs drop from side so they dont hit that many or even none.

 

Staying stationary has its advantages though. Behind an island you can be closer to action than you could be on plain sight. Less time flying planes into and out of action. 

[LongJohn_]

1 hour ago, Certios said:

 

Thanks agian all that took their time and answerd in this thread, you all been very helpfull and kind. Great forum!

 

No problem. Its good to have more good CVs out there, way too many bad ones out there. I guess I could tell you a lot more but I have to keep some "prefessional secrets" and learn more one the way. 

 

Oh by the way with Kaga. You are in T7 with that. Let me know when you meet xXx_Blogis_xXx in his Saipan and let me know how it goes. 

[Certios]

Well i been playing the KAGA now for maybe 20-30 rounds and to be honest i dont wanna play any another cv. I bought the Sapian to try it out but man that was a shiity ship compared to KAGA. The torps on KAGA cant be compared to any other cv out there that i have tired, they move fast and has a nice pattern. In Sapian ppl could dodge my torps very easy and the attack planes wasnt that good that i hoped for, Noone can dodge the KAGA torps if i hit from side and behind at same time, its impossible but on Sapian they where really bad. So now i wondering, is there any other cv that has accuracy like the KAGA, i mean with the bombers they circle is so small it fits the ship so its nearly impossible to miss when you auto bomb. And the torps goes so fast and in a good patthern so ppl cant dodge it. Very OP really lol, just click and sink, nothing else to it so its very simple to focus on other stuff like attack planes and position.. 

[pra3y]

2 hours ago, Certios said:

Well i been playing the KAGA now for maybe 20-30 rounds and to be honest i dont wanna play any another cv. I bought the Sapian to try it out but man that was a shiity ship compared to KAGA. The torps on KAGA cant be compared to any other cv out there that i have tired, they move fast and has a nice pattern. In Sapian ppl could dodge my torps very easy and the attack planes wasnt that good that i hoped for, Noone can dodge the KAGA torps if i hit from side and behind at same time, its impossible but on Sapian they where really bad. So now i wondering, is there any other cv that has accuracy like the KAGA, i mean with the bombers they circle is so small it fits the ship so its nearly impossible to miss when you auto bomb. And the torps goes so fast and in a good patthern so ppl cant dodge it. Very OP really lol, just click and sink, nothing else to it so its very simple to focus on other stuff like attack planes and position.. 

 

Kaga is good at destroying ships but in a 1v1 scenario a Saipan will win because it has better air control ability capability, which would in turn restrict the ability of a Kaga player greatly. Saipan's TB, while only 3, reloads pretty fast and can fly very fast (cause they're tier 9 planes). Its more demanding and less potato friendly, but it'll be a good trainer for manual drop I guess since you're forced to be more precise. 

[LongJohn_]

 

Yep. Saipan is the all-manual option. Propably doesnt work that ell with autodrops and point/click.

[Certios]

Well iam gonna keep it to the KAGA, i really like it alot and i do really good in it so why change a winning concept.

I prefer the BB´s and KAGA is a goldmine when it come to harvest XP so its all good.

[LongJohn_]

 

Sure, I understand. I just mentioned those things. Let me know after you meet Blogis in his Saipan and let me know how it goes. And I bet he has got better after my games with him.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

5 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Sure, I understand. I just mentioned those things. Let me know after you meet Blogis in his Saipan and let me know how it goes. And I bet he has got better after my games with him.

Why are you so afraid of Blogis? He is not even that good

[LongJohn_]

41 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Why are you so afraid of Blogis? He is not even that good

 

I am not afraid or even been. Played few intense games with him. Of cource there are lot of good CV players out there, others just have more PR (Public Relations) value and name than others. If you see "strangers123" or "Flamu" in enemy CV you pretty much know what to expect but I am sure there are plenty of better CV players out there that outplay them and dont have high profile name in internet.