Playing as CV sucks so hard

[Certios]

7 minutes ago, Flipped_Out said:

Boohooo, my CV is too weak, I only deal 30 percent more than everyone else even though I do not understand this game 

 

No difference to arty in WoT at all.

LoL no one said anything about cv is weak, go and troll somewhere else please, if i wanted to talk to a kid i would invite one of mine here

[Certios]

8 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Manual drop has many advantages:

• you can attack targets you don't see (in smoke)
• you can drop torpedos much closer, leaving the enemy less time to react and evade
• less dispersion -> more hits -> more damage

About the last point:

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US CV Autodrop vs Manual Drop:

IJN CV Autodrop vs Manual Drop:

Hmm Well when you say like that i have no excuse to be lazy, Thx for the info

[pra3y]

13 hours ago, Sargento_YO said:

 

Really nice.

 

About the change of USN loadouts. I barely play USN carriers, but I really don't like the idea. Lots of people will complain about it and will cry that the IJN carriers must be nerfed as well, and it's THEN when I will be affected.

 

Thank you.

 

To be honest its a buff for USN CVs. Only thing now I want removed from IJN CVs are their AS loadout.

[LongJohn_]

8 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Manual drop has many advantages:

• you can attack targets you don't see (in smoke)
• you can drop torpedos much closer, leaving the enemy less time to react and evade
• less dispersion -> more hits -> more damage

About the last point:

  Reveal hidden contents

US CV Autodrop vs Manual Drop:

IJN CV Autodrop vs Manual Drop:

 

Yep. These are excellent points. When I play for example DD and there is max T5 CV in the game I know I am safe from it in smoke - it doesnt see me, cant drop anything at me. Simple as that.

 

And you can also drop closer to islands without dropping then to beach. I hardly ever use autodrop. Only when I drop bombs on DDs and when I give final orders when I am about to sink. 

 

IJN torp pattern also converges from distance so you can use that to get max hits to stationary (most commonly AFK) targets. You can also drop from further away to cluster of ships to avoid some AA fire...

 

But remember. Both ship and airplane dropped torps need some range to arm. So if you manualdrop too close you get nothing. Torps hit but dont detonate.

[LongJohn_]

8 hours ago, Flipped_Out said:

Boohooo, my CV is too weak, I only deal 30 percent more than everyone else even though I do not understand this game 

 

No difference to arty in WoT at all.

 

Sweet. A crybaby that hasnt played a single CV game. 

 

From my about 20k games experience from WoT I can say its still totally different. Before the latest big change in SPG mechanics there wasnt that much defence against it. Stay in cover and/or dont get spotted. In the open maps SPG AP could even one-shot many tanks and there wasnt that much you can do. 

 

But with CVs in WoWS. What CANT you do? You can see the planes, you can manouver, you can shoot then down, you can stick together with other ships for more AA. All works. What do you think how for example those things effect SPGs in WoT? Sure you can move but shooting down artillery shells? Or grouping up with others? That makes you even juicier target. 

 

Very poorly argumented trolling attempt.

[Certios]

55 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

You can also drop from further away to cluster of ships to avoid some AA fire...

Another thing i didnt think about, Thx for that :)

[LongJohn_]

 

I must say its bold to buy and sell premiums like that. I havent spend a dime to neither WoT or WoWS. Maybe that makes me bad player from WG perspective but it also makes me grind everything with my own teeth and claws. Its takes time since there are no shortcuts. I have plenty of ships I have unlocked but dont have the credits to get them. Simple things that real life currency changes. 

 

Allthough I've been very very very tempted to get the Saipan. Just for the sheer sealclubbing joy of it. 

[Certios]

36 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

I must say its bold to buy and sell premiums like that.

Dont know why its such a big deal, iam not just talking about you now but as soon as i mention sold a premium everyone like Say whaaat, like i pissed on the bible or something lol.

I get it, they cost real Money, but thats a small price compared to what my kids hobbies cost, if i take away my sons golf leassons and clubs and all that i could buy 10 times more premium ships and thats just for 1 kiddo.

This game is a hobby for me and its pretty cheap one also, and if noone spend Money on the game who will pay WG paychecks? I do Think that what you are doing is much better in all Points of wievs, you get more experince playing the game and you save a few dollars doing it also. For me i just wanted to try the ships out so see if they where any fun to play with, some i enjoyed some i didnt so why keep them. The Saipan i was looking into that one, but iam gonna wait untill pacth to see how it get effected by the patch Before doing anything :P

 

[Certios]

On ‎2017‎-‎11‎-‎18 at 2:28 PM, Sargento_YO said:

 

I see your 41 and raise to 50.

 

 

My record (and number 1 in Zuiho, EU server) it's 57 planes shoot down in a single battle. Altought that one was back when tier 5 carriers could do manual attacks (and hence strafes)

 

see your 50 to 65 planes with 1,1,1 loadout :P

[LongJohn_]

25 minutes ago, Certios said:

Dont know why its such a big deal, iam not just talking about you now but as soon as i mention sold a premium everyone like Say whaaat, like i pissed on the bible or something lol.

I get it, they cost real Money, but thats a small price compared to what my kids hobbies cost, if i take away my sons golf leassons and clubs and all that i could buy 10 times more premium ships and thats just for 1 kiddo.

This game is a hobby for me and its pretty cheap one also, and if noone spend Money on the game who will pay WG paychecks? I do Think that what you are doing is much better in all Points of wievs, you get more experince playing the game and you save a few dollars doing it also. For me i just wanted to try the ships out so see if they where any fun to play with, some i enjoyed some i didnt so why keep them. The Saipan i was looking into that one, but iam gonna wait untill pacth to see how it get effected by the patch Before doing anything :P

 

 

Well that was not meant for critique. We just play the game differently and both have their ups and downs. Just like with everything else. My gamestyle for example with CVs propably doesnt suit some others etc. But thats the thing with these games. We are all humans and make very human things and mistakes. This is what makes it more intresting and challenging. Most AI based games have AI of earthworm and after you find out the logic how it works gaming challenge and fun is mostly gone. 

[Sargento_YO]

6 minutes ago, Certios said:

 

Rasie your 50 to 65 planes with 1,1,1 loadout :P

 

You can't compare an Independence with a Zuiho. Both are from different tiers. Independence can strafe and also tier 6 and 7 carriers have alot more planes than tier 5 ones. It's like comparing a house cat with a cheetah. Duh.

My all record it's 93 with Ranger. But of course, there is no comparision with the Independence.

[LongJohn_]

3 minutes ago, Certios said:

 

see your 50 to 65 planes with 1,1,1 loadout :P

 

Looks like you're getting hang of strafing. It sure is very satisfying to get a nice strafe off and just vanish multiple squads of planes.

 

In some cases its even a bit sad. Other player can be a total noob, a kid for example, and lose pretty much all planes in one strafe. You almost feel sorry for them.

[Certios]

2 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Looks like you're getting hang of strafing. It sure is very satisfying to get a nice strafe off and just vanish multiple squads of planes.

 

Yea its starts to improve but it was many times and many fails lol :P Still Thinks its very hard to do, need more practice forsure, but the manuell drop on torps, thats a really challange tho, can make it at all, i try and try and ends up with me autodrop to hit some atleast.

[LongJohn_]

3 minutes ago, Sargento_YO said:

 

You can't compare an Independence with a Zuiho. Both are from different tiers. Independence can strafe and also tier 6 and 7 carriers have alot more planes than tier 5 ones. It's like comparing a house cat with a cheetah. Duh.

My all record it's 93 with Ranger. But of course, there is no comparision with the Independence.

 

These planekills are intresting. My personal record is something like 58 and its with Essex. My primary goal has been dealing damage what ever the tier and killing planes is being more of a hobby at the side.

 

But looking at the overall I'd say Certios ha done his job in that game. Both enemy CVs, including tier higher Hiryu, are without kills and both have less XP gained even while they are in winner team. 65 planes and couple kills as well, good job. 

 

[Certios]

8 minutes ago, Sargento_YO said:

It's like comparing a house cat with a cheetah. Duh.

LMAO that sounded so fun when i read it :P

[LongJohn_]

1 minute ago, Certios said:

Yea its starts to improve but it was many times and many fails lol :P Still Thinks its very hard to do, need more practice forsure, but the manuell drop on torps, thats a really challange tho, can make it at all, i try and try and ends up with me autodrop to hit some atleast.

 

Yep. Its careful learning process and you also have to consider when to strafe and when just point and click at enemy squad. After all strafing takes a lot of ammo and that puts you out of action for a while.

 

Even at higher tiers two fighter squads can mis-strafe each other few times before one takes wrong turn / evades to wrong direction and gets wiped out. 

 

Some tutorials suggest torping directly from the side at 90 degree angle but the best result comes if you torp little from behind. Maybe 20-30 degrees from straight angle. That way first torpedo closest to enemyships bow will travel a bit further distance and enemyship drives straight into them. This is little advanced tactic but for example USN 6 torp squad can score 6/6 hits with it to a Gneisenau size target. Ships up to T6 are just too short to hit all. This applies both IJN and USN gameplay. You can try this with autodrops as well since you can adjust the angle of your approach. 

[Certios]

2 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

But looking at the overall I'd say Certios ha done his job in that game. Both enemy CVs, including tier higher Hiryu, are without kills and both have less XP gained even while they are in winner team. 65 planes and couple kills as well, good job. 

 

Thx :)

[Certios]

2 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Yep. Its careful learning process and you also have to consider when to strafe and when just point and click at enemy squad. After all strafing takes a lot of ammo and that puts you out of action for a while.

Yes thats tru, goes very fast Indeed

2 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

Even at higher tiers two fighter squads can mis-strafe each other few times before one takes wrong turn / evades to wrong direction and gets wiped out. 

You dont get varnings when you kill teammates planes? Been strafeing a few but didnt notice any warnings

2 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

 

Some tutorials suggest torping directly from the side at 90 degree angle but the best result comes if you torp little from behind. Maybe 20-30 degrees from straight angle. That way first torpedo closest to enemyships bow will travel a bit further distance and enemyship drives straight into them. This is little advanced tactic but for example USN 6 torp squad can score 6/6 hits with it to a Gneisenau size target. Ships up to T6 are just too short to hit all. This applies both IJN and USN gameplay. You can try this with autodrops as well since you can adjust the angle of your approach. 

To be honest, this manuell torping, iam gonna put that on hold for a while...

i need to learn strafe and how to avoid beeing strafed at first, then when i feel that iam good at that iam gonna go into the torping cuz this is to much for me to learn at once without being stressed out when i play cuz in sometimes it goes slow and sometimes its very mind consumeing to keep track of all planes, i dont think i would be able to play ijn at higher tiers atm lol

[Certios]

Well after checking out some guides on the youtube i kinda figure out why i haveing issues with the manual Torpings and the reason for it is very easy to fix :)

i just find a ship and klick my torps to attack and when i get closer i press alt and tries to land a strike, what i dont do and what the video guide show me is to place my planes into a good position like straight to brodside so the green box get straight up, instead when i do it now the planes just fly there fastest and shortaste way and when they fly in they are in what position the arrived at and turning  around and fly all kind of wierd stuff.. i know i know this is like first rule of torpedo class but Hey i figure it out lol

[ShinGetsu]

It's really sad you had to go and sell the Kaga.

 

It's an amazing CV. It's very hard to play because of Saipan, but it's one of the best to learn the hard way. In the right hands it's a real monster. True, you have trash fighters, and almost useless DB. But the fighters still can do things and make you learn the hard way how to time your straf properly. 

 

And the TB are downright amazing. They are slow and tier 6, but they have fast torp with a really, really mean pattern. When you understand you can actually snipe enemy BBs outside their short range AA with those 50 knots fishes, you discover how brutal Kaga is. And by that I mean one-shooting isolated Bismarck and even being quite a threat to BBs like North Carolina. Sure you'll lose plane but Kaga reserves makes up for them as long as you don't sacrifices them uselessly.

 

Also Kaga is the king at killing DDs. The fast torp coupled with the pattern and the high-damage torpedoes (higher than usual IJN TB torps) makes most cross drops on DD an almost unavoidable death.

 

So Kaga have to bait enemy fighters somewhere else, play with friendly AA as much as possible, and uses the DBs as baits, spotters and firestarters, while the TBs do the real job of killing DDs (and winning game that way) and farming huge damage on BBs.

 

Clearly not for beginner player, but a decent to good player that learned to master the Kaga will improve tremendously and will clearly do very well in any other CV. At least the IJN ones... 

 

 

As for manual attack, the trick is usually to attack diagonally from the rear, and if possible in a way that, if the enemy try to dodge your torps, he open his broadside to your allies. "Diagonally from the rear" mean that if he starts turning away you have to adjust and go further than him, and if he turn your way you have to drop ASAP (with ALT) so that he will get as many torps as possible during his turn.

[Certios]

3 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

It's really sad you had to go and sell the Kaga.

Once iam better with Cv i might buy it back, thats the first cv i ever played and my 5th time in pve when i was learning the basic of cv play i made a really nice game. Best game ever in all ships btw lol

[LongJohn_]

2 hours ago, Certios said:

Yes thats tru, goes very fast Indeed

You dont get varnings when you kill teammates planes? Been strafeing a few but didnt notice any warnings

To be honest, this manuell torping, iam gonna put that on hold for a while...

i need to learn strafe and how to avoid beeing strafed at first, then when i feel that iam good at that iam gonna go into the torping cuz this is to much for me to learn at once without being stressed out when i play cuz in sometimes it goes slow and sometimes its very mind consumeing to keep track of all planes, i dont think i would be able to play ijn at higher tiers atm lol

 

Nope, no notice, warning or penalties from killing friendly planes. You can strafe your own planes too if you fly them through your strafingpath. Of course its not recommended to do so but you dont get punished for it. At least not from the game / WG. 

 

Learning curve for CVs is very long. They surely have way highest damage and team effort potential but getting that potential out is not easy. I have some CV games played and I still keep learning every day I play. I might have decent stats but I still time to time run into those elite players that just make me look plain stupid. It just looks so effortless and it seems enemy CV knows your decisions before you do... So still very much to learn. 

 

For example just staying calm, make good decisions and keep all squads working under battle stress is a big thing. You can farm great damage if enemy CV dies early, you have a safe position and team plays well. Then its relatively easy. But if team doesnt do well, you lose some ships and caps, enemy is at your tails, DDs pressuring... There differences really rise. I've seen plenty of CV captain who just totally lose it after they are spotted. Squads stay hovering in the air, CV is not moving for cover... Whole packadge just falls apart. 

 

Got one decent Essex game like this last week. Enemy Essex was decent and didnt screw up but own team was shaking first half of the battle. We hold only fourth of the map, enemy team had two caps, we fought for our first... Some one from the team started blaming me for losing... Well, we got it turned around, some 200k damage, +40 planes and 4 kills, confederate, high caliber.. But I have to admit I was shaking too at some point. It really isnt easy. Much easier with any other shipclass, just focus enemies in hand, angle, do one thing at the time... But with CV. Spot for team, fight off enemy planes, map awareness where own and enemy ships are, striking correct targets to help the team as much as possible... Its a madhouse. I really dont blame you for feeling the stress. Its real for all of us.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

44 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said:

Nope, no notice, warning or penalties from killing friendly planes. You can strafe your own planes too if you fly them through your strafingpath. Of course its not recommended to do so but you dont get punished for it. At least not from the game / WG. 

Actually, you will get pink if you strafe too many team planes. But the number is really high and only possible if you actively hunt friendly planes :D

[Certios]

3 hours ago, LongJohn_ said:

Some one from the team started blaming me for losing... 

Gosh that never gets Boring, one guy yolo into a ambush at A and start to say our CV suxx, i usally dont care becasue at the end of the scoreboard iam most of the time top 3 but i had to say to him that he runs into a ambush with a BB and blame us beacuse noone else where that stupid so he Went alone meet 4-5 enemys and it was my fault he died lol. Then ppl are srsly rude in this game, i guess its like in every free game but as soon as it turns bad ppl say all kinds of F Words lol, Well anyway iam passed Independece now, i really didnt like that ship, but last 5-6 games i did good in it but now its sold and gone, gonna see what ranger can offer me for fun, Working on my captain, hes at 12 Points now, any advice where to put the Points into? This is where i spent them so far

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Unless you want to play AS-Cancer again, you should take Torpedo Acceleration and Torpedo Armaments Expert. And before you get the Lexingtion, you will really need Concealment Expert, because Lexi is visible from the moon

 

Personally, I don't use any AA skills (like BFT) because you have fighters to protect yourself and putting everything into stronger planes yields better results for me.