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Pre Drednought era Operation's mode

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As the title say's, after reading the topic about giving Mikasa protected MM i had a thought how to make these tipes of ships work, withough having to balance them around Randoms.

 

Edit: Not a PvE mode but a mode PvP, pre-dred themed as a alternative to relular PvP randoms.

 

I would like to hear you'r thought's to why it may or may not be a good option and to discuss the posible ways to make this mode work.

I would also like for the WG staff here, Tuccy, MrConway, Ph3lan & co to give theyr thought's if sutch a mode would be a feasable/sencible move from WG's part, or why it would not and to pass on the idea to the developers and get theyr thought's and feedback about sutch a mode into Wows, would the mode be economicaly worth the development?

 

Since operations were a sucess after implementation i though a new operation mode could be added in the future.

So this op mode would be only for Pre dreadnought's and Armored/Protected cruisers.

There are many pre-drednought era afficionatos here, me being one myself, i always found there ships interesting and beautiful, after geting Mikasa i though more would come but we all know that wasn't the case.

A few bonuses of sutch a mode would be that all the ships in this mode could have working Main, secondary, perhaps even tertiary and even fixed torp tubes, ram bonus and more, there would be no restrictions to have to balance these ships around post-drednought.

 

What do you guy's think?

Also please feel free to add some pics of these ships to make this thread a bit more colorfull  :Smile_Default:

Here's are a few cruisers:

 

-I dont know witch one this is, i'll find out.

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-The Edgar Quintet

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-SMS Roon Class

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-The Uss San Diego

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-SMS Blutcher

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Wouldnt you want to battle it out with these beauties, i know i would.

 

 

EDIT: Perhaps the main and secondary armarment can be used simoutaniously and the tertiary armarment can function as the current secondary.

How it would work?

Exaple: Main gun range would be 15Km and the secondary range would be 10Km, you can controll both simoutaniously but the secondaries would fire only when a target is in range of them.

Gun/torp ranges...just a example:

Main guns 15-16Km range, secondaries 9-11Km range, auto tertiary guns range 4-6Km, torp range's 4-5Km?

Just a though :Smile_hiding:

 

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I would love to see this as an Operation mode. I would actually play that quite a lot I think especially since we have a few types of protected cruiser too. 

 

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll get the response you're hoping for. 

 

Wargaming have already stated that they see no future for pre-dreadnoughts in WoWS. Which I think is a shame, since there is oodles of scope at the lower tiers for them to expand into that era. If you look at War Thunder, they're branching out in the high tiers into Cold War era with explosive reactive armour etc which really mixes up the meta which became really horrible with the introduction of ATGM's.

 

I can see plenty of sideways progression at low tiers to include more pre-dread ships. They would be a lot of fun and newbie friendly too with plenty of armour. An anniversary event for Tsushima or other battles of notability with an associated Operation would be great fun. I think Wargaming would be surprised with how much people would enjoy such a mode.

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Top cruiser  looks like Scharnhorst, I would love to have more Pre-dreadnoughts in the game, want armoured cruisers aswell. I think they would be fun in scenarios.

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WG did say there is no future for pre-dreds in the game, but they ment that for random battle mode, that's why i though a operation could be used as a loophole for them, no post-drednought era ships.

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I actually really enjoyed the Dunkirk mission. Operations are ok, but I think they underestimate how many of us are history nerds who would love to partake in battles like Jutland, or escorting the Arctic convoys etc. There is so much history to transform into gameplay experiences and it's being wasted at the moment.

 

I'll always prefer the PvP element, because that's where skill really comes into play. However for PvE, I have no problems with it... currently the biggest problems are how stupid the AI is. Especially when it comes to torpedo DD's. On Big Race I sat around a corner in Ohotknik and didn't move. One by one all four of their BB's came around the corner with just enough spacing to reload my torpedoes. I one shot every single on of them. It was just stupid and felt really cheesy. 

 

If WG made a little effort to actually make their bot AI somewhat decent and added more operations with a real historical flair (like Dunkirk) I think they would see an uptake in player participation.

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5 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said:

would love to partake in battles like Jutland, or escorting the Arctic convoys

 

Couldnt agree more, sounds awesome!

45 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said:

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll get the response you're hoping for. 

 

Who knows? They put a lot of efford in the Halloween event, which is only for a short time online.

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Call my a cynic, but the halloween event is a good way to sell crates for camo and flags. If it wasn't for that and the seasonal aspect would we have it at all?

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I would love them to relegate the current T1 ships to training ships and from there you go to a new line of T1 cruiser. This would branch out into T1 torpedo boat and pre-dreadnought lines before they all moved on to T2. The only problem with this is that it still doesn't address the big difference between T2 pre-dreadnoughts and T3 dreadnoughts, but at least we could have some great T1-2 games in some really great ships. But it'll never happen, blueprint only late 40's/Coldwar ships are WG's wet dream, and that is what we'll be getting.

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I'm afraid this could be something you could sell only to the few of us who know that BISMARK wasn't the only battleship in the world. I mean, it takes a fair naval culture to be interested into pre-dreadnoughts, for most of the playerbase naval history began and ended in May 1941. Also, you really have to dig such ships to enjoy a 18 kts, 4 x 305 mm dinosaur, and I don't see a Russian company investing resources in re-enacting Tsushima.

 

That being said, I'm all for it.

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3 hours ago, ajb13 said:

I would love them to relegate the current T1 ships to training ships and from there you go to a new line of T1 cruiser. This would branch out into T1 torpedo boat and pre-dreadnought lines before they all moved on to T2. The only problem with this is that it still doesn't address the big difference between T2 pre-dreadnoughts and T3 dreadnoughts, but at least we could have some great T1-2 games in some really great ships. But it'll never happen, blueprint only late 40's/Coldwar ships are WG's wet dream, and that is what we'll be getting.

 

If they’d give the predreadnoughts reasonable Secondaries it would work.

 

T1 1890s like Wittelsbach and Majestic / Devonshire And Prinz Adalbert

 

T2 last generation Predreadnoughts like Braunschweig and Lord Nelson / Warrior and Scharnhorst 

 

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4 hours ago, Major_Damage225 said:

-I dont know witch one this is, i'll find out.

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4 hours ago, Jellicoe1916 said:

Top cruiser  looks like Scharnhorst, I would love to have more Pre-dreadnoughts in the game, want armoured cruisers aswell. I think they would be fun in scenarios.

Four funnels closer to the fore mast, German-style observation posts, main armament in both casemates and twin turrets, white painted... yes, almost definitively a Scharnhorst or a Roon, but more probably the former.

 

Salute.

 

P.S.: BTW, the last one's name is SMS Blücher, or Bluecher if you can't type a diaeresis. The poor name is so doomed for ships that people even butch it.

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3 hours ago, Estaca_de_Bares said:

 

P.S.: BTW, the last one's name is SMS Blücher, or Bluecher if you can't type a diaeresis. The poor name is so doomed for ships that people even butch it.

Yes i know it's Blücher (sometimes my keyboard decides to troll me so i didnt tipe in the diareresis),  i typed the name above the photo, it happens to be my favourite armored cruiser :Smile_honoring:

 

So the first one is the Scharnhorst, it a looker, wouldnt mind having one of those for tier II. :cap_cool:

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I can't add much to what's been said above, but I too would love to see the pre-Dreadnought era in WoWS. The variety of designs and capabilities would make for a very interesting game. Hopefully, it's something WG will consider - it is certainly a way forward in expanding the business.

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On 28/10/2017 at 4:37 PM, Major_Damage225 said:

WG did say there is no future for pre-dreds in the game, but they ment that for random battle mode, that's why i though a operation could be used as a loophole for them, no post-drednought era ships.

I see no reason why we can have historical modes.... Ruso-Japanies war Jutland. USA-Spain.... Could be fun. These could be well suited to Ops... Good Thread sir

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I'd definitely love to see more predreads in the game, although I don't quite see the need for them to get their own game mode. I'd rather just see the T1 cruisers replaced with turn of the century scout cruisers so that the early tiers exist entirely for the predread era while bringing destroyers and battleships into the first couple of tiers so the predreads settle nicely into T1 and T2. Similarly, battlecruiser lines could begin as armoured cruisers in the first couple of tiers.

 

Whether it would actually be worth the effort, I don't know. At the early tiers there isn't much grinding to do and the low tier premiums don't sell for much, but at the same time it probably will bring more players into the game, which has the knock-on effect of said players spending money on other things as well as bringing even more things into the game.

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Implementing the predreds into the existing tech tree would i think require too mutch reshufling of the trees, it seems easyer to just make a alternative battlemode for them, want the classic click random, want more nostalgia click predred mode :Smile_Default:

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Pre dreadnoughts and other older ships plus some oddities that could be used in the pre dreadnought style of play would be nice

 

If it was adopted, we might then see such oddities as the Satsuma (one of the last 2 pre dreadnoughts built for the IJN) with its 4 12" and 12 10" guns and we would also probably see the class of ship known as a Coastal Defence Battleship which amongst others Sweden operated and the UK had the Gorgon and we might also see monitors and river monitors as well - the Archipelago scenario would be ideal for deployment of both Monitors and River Monitors  with coastal defence battleships and armoured cruisers to round off the play style 

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