So what now WG?

[Elderdaddy]

Month ago u said that

 

On 28.09.2017 at 2:34 PM, Kandly said:

As we've already stated, the decision to not include aircraft carriers into the first season is based on observations from tournaments and preliminary tests with Clans. We know that the current role carriers currently have is a function of players actually playing the current mechanics as effectively as they can and that it's up to us to change those mechanics if we believe that's necessary. However, such changes reach further than just competitive play and we are not ready to do that yet. This, along with the comparatively small (even though quite elite) population of carrier players has also contributed to this decision. We will continue working on and improving the CV class both through balance changes within the existing mechanics, as well as prototyping bigger changes in the background.
We do believe that the incoming changes to the smoke mechanics which were tested on the 0.6.11 PT server, coupled with the absence of carrier spotting will make battles in this season more dynamic and will contribute to a bigger variety in terms of team line-ups (though we know that this is a contested point of view). Especially the lower brackets should see people willing to try out "4fun setups", simply because in the beginning it will be hard to accurately predict behavior patterns with these new mechanics.
The main point here though, is that this is only the beginning and that this setup is not forever. During and after the first season we will look at the numbers and evaluate the feedback from the community, based on their experiences in this mode. We ask you to try the new meta and tell us what you think - this feedback, both positive and negative, will help inform the direction we will take the CV class as well as Clan Battles going forward. 

 

Today your development team said that

 

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ST, Defensive AA Fire efficiency
Increased efficiency of Defensive AA Fire consumable for all American and Soviet/Russian destroyers, as well as the Huang He cruiser and the Lo Yang destroyer. Now it quadruples the aura strength (previously: x3). This change is designed to bring more variety to this consumable slot.

 

I understand that u are doing it to make CV more friendly for new players? Not that u can use DAA on tier V and above. 

 

 

So WG i have question: Can u stop selling BS about some mythical CV rework? For some1 with half of the brain its clear that u dont want that class in your game so give the refund for all CV, than remove that class from the game. After that change the title for World of Battleships and all your best customers will be happy..

[Tekacko]

DD AA getting buffed is fine, you shouldn´t be able to one-click delete DDs as a CV anyway.

 

Now if only we could crack down on BB AA...

[Humorpalanta]

You are asking them about their plans.

They don't have plans. They have no idea what they want to do with the game. That's the reason behind these idiot changes.

BTW didn't you know 2017 is the year of CV?

[Tungstonid]

2 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

You are asking them about their plans.

They don't have plans. They have no idea what they want to do with the game. That's the reason behind these idiot changes.

BTW didn't you know 2017 is the year of CV?

 

As was 2016 asn as will be 2018 according to one guy from the headquarter.

[MacFergus]

I have mixed feelings about CVs while I believe we need them in game to balance out the BBs that are a plague at the moment I also get annoyed when I play DD and get virtually perma spotted by savvy CV players , Its also the one class that if played well can be devastating to MM not that it is the players fault more like the CV is such an influential class.

[ForlornSailor]

17 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

I have mixed feelings about CVs while I believe we need them in game to balance out the BBs that are a plague at the moment I also get annoyed when I play DD and get virtually perma spotted by savvy CV players , Its also the one class that if played well can be devastating to MM not that it is the players fault more like the CV is such an influential class.

 

This sums it up pretty nice. Cant argue here.

[wilkatis_LV]

18 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

I have mixed feelings about CVs while I believe we need them in game to balance out the BBs that are a plague at the moment I also get annoyed when I play DD and get virtually perma spotted by savvy CV players , Its also the one class that if played well can be devastating to MM not that it is the players fault more like the CV is such an influential class.

 

And yet your CVs are tier 4 (and the Bogue which is just lol) so you have no practical experience how they work at mid to high tiers.

[ForlornSailor]

7 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

And yet your CVs are tier 4 (and the Bogue which is just lol) so you have no practical experience how they work at mid to high tiers.

 

And what exactly is wrong with his conclusion?

[Spellfire40]

1 minute ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

And what exactly is wrong with his conclusion?

That by permaspoting said CV leaves his planes to cover 1 DD? Of course if said DD is at 7 km to half the enemys fleet he has them back soon again but thats ratehr a Problem of the DD player doing a deep strike without suport rater than the CV permaspoting him.

 

Low Tor CVs have very little reserves and he is near useless on stiking DDs thanks to the Sealcluber in non CVs buff. if he does spoting and that kills the DD good play for the CV. I Still get plenty of good games in my T5 Kamikazes/Fujin despite having CVs around

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Problem is CVs are inherently unbalanced because of the huge variance in skill level.

 

No other class can hard carry or fail like a CV can. I'm not a bad CV player but I can get completely destroyed by a better player or bad MM to the point where I'm useless. Or like the Enterprise yesterday when I killed his entire TB and DB wave with my Mino. He was pretty much GG after a few mins in.

 

The 1 CV only in T8+ actually makes this far more acute as you can have a CV who will permi spot and focus weak ships or an idiot who will try a very bad snipe, waste 5 mins and doom your team. Automatic win or loss with little else anyone can do about it.

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, Spellfire40 said:

That by permaspoting said CV leaves his planes to cover 1 DD? Of course if said DD is at 7 km to half the enemys fleet he has them back soon again but thats ratehr a Problem of the DD player doing a deep strike without suport rater than the CV permaspoting him.

If there is only 1 DD or maybe 2 - thats not a huge deal. Also, he can cycle his planes. A TB on his way home still provides spotting.

 

2 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Low Tor CVs have very little reserves and he is near useless on stiking DDs thanks to the Sealcluber in non CVs buff. if he does spoting and that kills the DD good play for the CV. I Still get plenty of good games in my T5 Kamikazes/Fujin despite having CVs around

 

I think, the comment was rather made on hightier CV-gameplay. Atleast I saw it this way. Also: Its hard to deny, that the skill level or better the difference of skill between the CV-Players decides the outcome of the match. No other class has that huge impact to the game. Again, i mean mostly Hightier.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

And I'm sure most of you know that sinking feeling when you see the friendly CV blob up their entire deck into one group then flies them towards the highest concentration of ships 

[lup3s]

8 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

The 1 CV only in T8+ actually makes this far more acute as you can have a CV who will permi spot and focus weak ships or an idiot who will try a very bad snipe, waste 5 mins and doom your team. Automatic win or loss with little else anyone can do about it.

 

Depens on the team as well. I've had battles where I totally dominated the enemy CV, yet still lost.

And likewise, battles where the CV on my team got dominated (or sniped.. saw an AS Ranger getting sniped by a Ryujo once..) and despite the disadvantage our team still won because the enemy team was horrible.

 

There's no use in perma-spotting ships (especially DDs) if no-one shoots them, or sinking 7 ships if your team gets sunk faster than you can sink enemies.

[Spellfire40]

14 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

If there is only 1 DD or maybe 2 - thats not a huge deal. Also, he can cycle his planes. A TB on his way home still provides spotting.

 

 

I think, the comment was rather made on hightier CV-gameplay. Atleast I saw it this way. Also: Its hard to deny, that the skill level or better the difference of skill between the CV-Players decides the outcome of the match. No other class has that huge impact to the game. Again, i mean mostly Hightier.

You were commenting on someone stated low tir cv expirence so mayhaps i misunderstood something about high tir in the context of what he was replying to .

Anyway as a Higher Tir CV that can do more than point and click i just kill the DDs or have enogh Squads to force tehm off by spoting. At lower tir its harder becasue of the limitations or skill break WG made to Buff non CV Sealcluber.

[Boris_MNE]

1 hour ago, MacFergus said:

I have mixed feelings about CVs while I believe we need them in game to balance out the BBs that are a plague at the moment I also get annoyed when I play DD and get virtually perma spotted by savvy CV players , Its also the one class that if played well can be devastating to MM not that it is the players fault more like the CV is such an influential class.

 

 

Perma spotting could be solved with one simple thing. FUEL.

I am talking bout this for many months already, simply when you raise planes in sky they have X fuel (for example 3 minutes) after that they fall in water. Realism +  fun mechanic for me as CV player for example. LIke this I can put my fighter over smoke +3 minutes and wait poor dd to get out.

[ShinGetsu]

This buff is retarded and I would use stronger word if it was allowed.

Why does CV go after DDs :

- Because they are priority target

- Because they can't attack anything else lately.

- Because the enemy CV is a moron that doesn't understand that spotting, counterspotting and covering the allied DDs (not only from the enemy CV btw) is the best way to win the match.

 

Since f***** when did AA-Benson need a buff ? A low tier CV already can't attack them.

 

So, here's possible solution for this :

- Nerf the AA of everything excepted AA-CA, AA-CL and DDs.

- remove all AS-deck (it's part of the problem, but that's a minor offender there)

- Maybe make DD harder to sink with a CV. I dunno, for example a very weak def-AA that doesn't improve the DPS by much but still panic them.

- educate the average CV player by explaining them WHAT their main job is instead of letting the morons guess and fail at it ← I'm dreaming there, I know.

[Spellfire40]

2 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

Perma spotting could be solved with one simple thing. FUEL.

I am talking bout this for many months already, simply when you raise planes in sky they have X fuel (for example 3 minutes) after that they fall in water. Realism +  fun mechanic for me as CV player for example. LIke this I can put my fighter over smoke +3 minutes and wait poor dd to get out.

Add unlimited plane reload to that please because thats the most stupid way to limit it. CVs have more than enogh limitations and if you want to lagh see this:

Providing recon IS one of teh major jobs of CVs kind of deafeats the point to make it even harder isnt it?

 

[Boris_MNE]

Just now, Spellfire40 said:

Add unlimited plane reload to that please because thats the most stupid way to limit it. CVs have more than enogh limitations and if you want to lagh see this:

Providing recon IS one of teh major jobs of CVs kind of deafeats the point to make it even harder isnt it?

 

 

 

Of course planes would fall in water only if you do not deck them in that time. Nothing too big , they would still have time to scout.

Ive seen latest buff for DDs, one more crap.
Cruisers need to be ones who counter CVs, not BBs or DDs...

[MacFergus]

51 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

 

And yet your CVs are tier 4 (and the Bogue which is just lol) so you have no practical experience how they work at mid to high tiers.

 

Erm I'm not quite sure why you said this I never stated that i had any experience with CVs i was talking about playing against them but for some reason you quoted my horrid CV stats not sure why but never mind.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Yes the USN AA buff is hilarious. Usual WG "wut" reaction to something no one actually asked for.

 

At least my Sims will be funny to play when I get lower tier CVs in the MM 

[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said:

 

And yet your CVs are tier 4 (and the Bogue which is just lol) so you have no practical experience how they work at mid to high tiers.

 

So in conclusion lets say a Conqueror player who has xxx games and a WR of <50% he could come here and say that its weak and needs buffs? Because i think @MacFergus is right. But a correct oppinion is obviously wrong since he didnt play hightier CVs.

CVs need some SERIOUS rework aswell as the AA. The more CVs i see the more im sure about that. Maybe CVs shouldnt be able to division with other ppl? But that would be a bandaid. But on the other hand thats a huge problem. Get a Super Unicum CV player together with Strong AA ships played by other good players and they will have much more chance of winning the game than 3 "normal" ships in a Division.

[AgarwaenME]

2 hours ago, Tekacko said:

DD AA getting buffed is fine, you shouldn´t be able to one-click delete DDs as a CV anyway.

 

Now if only we could crack down on BB AA...

 

Except this change does nothing for the DDs that are the preferred targets. It only makes DDs who already had good AAA able to slaughter planes.

 

The only real change is that it makes it a bit less of a cost to take def fire on the sub t9 USN DDs.

[MacFergus]

15 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

So in conclusion lets say a Conqueror player who has xxx games and a WR of <50% he could come here and say that its weak and needs buffs? Because i think @MacFergus is right. But a correct oppinion is obviously wrong since he didnt play hightier CVs.

CVs need some SERIOUS rework aswell as the AA. The more CVs i see the more im sure about that. Maybe CVs shouldnt be able to division with other ppl? But that would be a bandaid. But on the other hand thats a huge problem. Get a Super Unicum CV player together with Strong AA ships played by other good players and they will have much more chance of winning the game than 3 "normal" ships in a Division.

 

Good man Dfens_666 dam foreigners cant understand a word I say , Bring back the empire and buff RN BBs.....

[Ishiro32]

 

I got bored and decided to have a look at WoWs forum. This is really funny to look at when you are not playing the game anymore.

 

@Sub_Octavian

Are you even capable of doing something for CV players that wouldn't piss them off? Genuine question, because at this point this seems almost vindictive, like you hate each and every one of us with passion and just want us to go away. I know you have this "rework" "in progress" which will be released soon™ , but could you at least not kick down? AAA and defAA are both horribly designed mechanics and your doubling down on it only further increased the skillgap and skill floor... then you complain about exactly those elements... then you proceed to do exactly the same thing. Just stop.

[Mangrey]

LIke the DWT is this just another CV nerf ... nothing more nothing less ... it feels like the class is getting more players and now we get a new nerf ... what is wrong with you WG ???? I dont belive on your CV rework BS any more you are just useing that to nerf even more (thats whats it looks like when you boost the DDs like that) 

 

please look at what WoWp made, they added Exp bonus for 3 things a class is suppose to do... why not adopt that in to WoWs 

 

mang