What I have learned about Coop while playing the Revolutsiya

[ThePurpleSmurf]

Well, usually I don't do two things in WoWs and this is 1) playing Coop and 2) playing BB, because both are boring af for me. Now with the free Revo… BB and the daily container you get with possible premium time or Doubloons, my greed made me play a BB in Coop, because I figured this is the fastest way to get over with the daily win in a BB. While it is very easy to carry and win in Coop, even for me as BB potato, did I learn something about this game mode.

I was often joking (kinda) in randoms, that I rather have a bot in my team than certain BB players, but I had not really a clue how right I was with this statement, until now. Bot BBs actually push in and most of the time bow in torward a target, making it harder to hit them and avoiding broadside citadels. They go for objectives and if there is no way out, these suckers try to ram you. From the first minute on they push forward and try to brawl, dodging torps like a champ and have a surprisingly good aim. I'm not kidding, these bots play better than at least 30% of the BB fruits I have to deal with in random battles on my team. Sure the bots will go down and they lose in the end, but at least they tried, this is much more than I can say about a lot of human BB players.

[lup3s]

30%? Still joking I see 

[Jethro_Grey]

On 10/19/2017 at 8:04 PM, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Well, usually I don't do two things in WoWs and this is 1) playing Coop and 2) playing BB, because both are boring af for me. Now with the free Revo… BB and the daily container you get with possible premium time or Doubloons, my greed made me play a BB in Coop, because I figured this is the fastest way to get over with the daily win in a BB. While it is very easy to carry and win in Coop, even for me as BB potato, did I learn something about this game mode.

I was often joking (kinda) in randoms, that I rather have a bot in my team than certain BB players, but I had not really a clue how right I was with this statement, until now. Bot BBs actually push in and most of the time bow in torward a target, making it harder to hit them and avoiding broadside citadels. They go for objectives and if there is no way out, these suckers try to ram you. From the first minute on they push forward and try to brawl, dodging torps like a champ and have a surprisingly good aim. I'm not kidding, these bots play better than at least 30% of the BB fruits I have to deal with in random battles on my team. Sure the bots will go down and they lose in the end, but at least they tried, this is much more than I can say about a lot of human BB players.

 

Doing the same thing, also noticed the same thing. 

However, you are quite wrong in regards to the BB players in randoms, so pls don't spread false information.

 

Bots are not better than 30% of the BBabies, they are better than 70% - 80% of the random BB *Edited

[MacFergus]

Its worse on the test server the bots are on steroids or something they play as a team.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

4 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Its worse on the test server the bots are on steroids or something they play as a team.

Don't forget those crazy Operations ones who can torpedo beat...

[MacFergus]

Just now, Negativvv said:

Don't forget those crazy Operations ones who can torpedo beat...

 

Haha forget about that.....

[EsaTuunanen]

Like I've already been saying for some time lots of players wouldn't qualify for driving even citizenship if it needed showing signs of thinking capability.

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Bots are not better than 30% of the BBabies, they are better than 70% - 80% of the random BB plebs.  

 

Pretty sure that applies to all classes, really.

Which says much about the basis people want to be balancing around.

[Verblonde]

As a newbie, the differences between randoms and PvE are very striking: in randoms, the opposition seem to spend a lot of time hiding, whilst in PvE they come after you!

PvE is great for getting the hang of the basics of a ship (and for mucking around when you're tired, or everyone else is asleep), but I'm rapidly agreeing 100% with those that say it's not much use as preparation for playing against real people...

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

I prefer to face a random monkey team sometimes then pro-bots in co-op :p

 

Bots push, bots use team-play, bb bots cover cruisers and dds, bots go 4 caps always.

 

Now, on other hand, honest, on how  many random MM  do you will see such behavior on human teams ?....

 

[_VAMPA_]

2 hours ago, Jethro_Grey said:

 

Doing the same thing, also noticed the same thing. 

However, you are quite wrong in regards to the BB players in randoms, so pls don't spread false information.

 

Bots are not better than 30% of the BBabies, they are better than 70% - 80% of the random BB plebs.  

ur wrong %is higher

5 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Pretty sure that applies to all classes, really.

Which says much about the basis people want to be balancing around.

i will not refuse few imba or totally "broken" CAs at TX xD

[ThePurpleSmurf]

18 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Pretty sure that applies to all classes, really.

Probably, but it's most noticable with BB players. Bot DDs yolo into caps, just like human players and Cruisers sail around clueless and shooting HE at everything that is spotted.

[iJoby]

On 10/19/2017 at 8:04 PM, ThePurpleSmurf said:

these bots play better than at least 30% of the BB fruits I have to deal with in random battles

More like 70%.

You should try play a DD on CO OP, those bots priority target is a DD, you could be 30km away in smoke trembling and they will know exactly where you are and chase you until you have nowhere to go. It's F-King hilarious. 

One thing you learn in CO OP, never follow or be anywhere near your teams DD.

 

On 10/19/2017 at 10:40 PM, Verblonde said:

but I'm rapidly agreeing 100% with those that say it's not much use as preparation for playing against real people...

Yup with real PPL you can take a 5 minute nap before any action happens.

[IanH755]

29 minutes ago, iJoby said:

One thing you learn in CO OP, never follow or be anywhere near your teams DD.

 

As a DD I either Yolo in for a couple of quick kills and then die, or knowing that the Bots will chase me, I lead them away and into give broadside shots to the rest of my team while I kite away, Both are equally fun but the kiting is definitely harder due to the bots uber marksmanship!!!

[Deckeru_Maiku]

3 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

I was often joking (kinda) in randoms, that I rather have a bot in my team than certain BB human players

 

Did a little correction for you...

 

And although You are mostly right, the above is not true for bot CV captains. They are absolutely horrific. Which is the reason, why I choose co-op battles whenever a "shoot xx planes" mission allows it.

For the current "shoot 25 planes (over any number of battles)" mission I chose my Langley and co-op and did it in one battle. 29 enemy planes shot down... with the 1-1-1 setup. Yeah, I didn't do much damage, but I didn't have to, as the team was cutting through the bots like a hot knife cuts butter. So I just concentrated on the enemy CV and his planes. But I only had time for one (!) airstrike before our team reached the enemy cap and the first cruisers started shooting at the bot CV...

Doesn't matter - mission done.

[Verblonde]

34 minutes ago, iJoby said:

Yup with real PPL you can take a 5 minute nap before any action happens.

I think my reluctance to nap is one thing getting me killed a lot in randoms - I haven't managed to shake the filthy habit from WOT of trying to play at least a bit dynamically (relating to the necessity of your team controlling key map locations).

The more active approach seems to work against the bots, but real people - not so much.

This is actually a good thing: it effectively means we are getting two games in one, as the two playing environments are so markedly different (just takes longer to learn)...

[IanH755]

55 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

This is actually a good thing: it effectively means we are getting two games in one, as the two playing environments are so markedly different (just takes longer to learn)...

 

I agree, I think Co-Op is a great starting place before moving on PvP by T3 at most, then learn the game fully in PvP upto T10 before coming back form some occasional/full time T4+ Co-Op fun once you know the game. Thats what I did and, as you mentioned, it gives me really 2 game modes to play - BB snipe-fest PvP or Brawling Bots

[Shirakami_Kon]

2 hours ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I prefer to face a random monkey team sometimes then pro-bots in co-op :p

 

Bots push, bots use team-play, bb bots cover cruisers and dds, bots go 4 caps always.

 

Now, on other hand, honest, on how  many random MM  do you will see such behavior on human teams ?....

 

Bots OP please nerf 

[hellhound666]

5 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Well, usually I don't do two things in WoWs and this is 1) playing Coop and 2) playing BB, because both are boring af for me. Now with the free Revo… BB and the daily container you get with possible premium time or Doubloons, my greed made me play a BB in Coop, because I figured this is the fastest way to get over with the daily win in a BB. While it is very easy to carry and win in Coop, even for me as BB potato, did I learn something about this game mode.

I was often joking (kinda) in randoms, that I rather have a bot in my team than certain BB players, but I had not really a clue how right I was with this statement, until now. Bot BBs actually push in and most of the time bow in torward a target, making it harder to hit them and avoiding broadside citadels. They go for objectives and if there is no way out, these suckers try to ram you. From the first minute on they push forward and try to brawl, dodging torps like a champ and have a surprisingly good aim. I'm not kidding, these bots play better than at least 30% of the BB fruits I have to deal with in random battles on my team. Sure the bots will go down and they lose in the end, but at least they tried, this is much more than I can say about a lot of human BB players.

you do have vast experience with bb's do sugest tactics for them - i mean 80 battles and t5 max is very impressive ... i've always wandered who are those guys promoting bb's pushing in to cap infront of torps and dd players suit for that perfectly as you proved

[EsaTuunanen]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

I think my reluctance to nap is one thing getting me killed a lot in randoms - I haven't managed to shake the filthy habit from WOT of trying to play at least a bit dynamically (relating to the necessity of your team controlling key map locations).

I'm constantly breaking DD play rules, like never going to cap alone.

And it works just fine.

 

[jss78]

The AI seems to have improved a lot during the 1½ years I've played this game. I've always toyed with the idea that we should replace AFK's with bots after 2-3 min. And I kind of also wonder if that would hurt or help the team.

 

They shoot with mathematical precision, but you can still trick them to show worse angles than your own. In terms of tactics they're worse than the better humans for sure, but still better than those border-hugging humans you see.

[Xevious_Red]

Bots work based on a set of instructions. If you like you can easily mess with the bots.

 

For example they shoot very accurately if you're going in a straight line. If you dont go in a straight line they miss.

The bots make a bee line to the nearest player. If you drop torps and sail away they'll steer towards you and miss the torps. You can therefore "steer" the bots by where you go.

The bots will head towards the nearest player even if they're unseen. They only fire when you're "spotted"

With a DD you can make a bot conga line and sail them around the map.

If you have 2 DD you can alternate whos closer. If you have one in front of the bots and one behind and keep swapping back and forth whos closer the bots will end up in a complete stop

[valrond]

On 10/19/2017 at 8:08 PM, Jethro_Grey said:

 

Doing the same thing, also noticed the same thing. 

However, you are quite wrong in regards to the BB players in randoms, so pls don't spread false information.

 

Bots are not better than 30% of the BBabies, they are better than 70% - 80% of the random BB *Edited

Hardly. If there were better than 70-80% than the BB players, how is it almost impossible to lose in coop?

[22cm]

11 hours ago, valrond said:

Hardly. If there were better than 70-80% than the BB players, how is it almost impossible to lose in coop?

 

To my horror, it is very possible to loose even in co-op...

[AkosJaccik]

30 minutes ago, 22cm said:

 

To my horror, it is very possible to loose even in co-op...

 

Funny thing is, the only thing worse than people being clueless is people being actually decent. In that case you might have time for one and a half airstrike, and gg, match ended. I don't know why WG got rid of the idea of bot numerical superiority in PvE. At least in higher tiers they could have go on this road.