[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #1 Posted October 18, 2017 A new German Destroyer is on it´s way :) looks great to me :) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken_Jedi Players 849 posts 2,954 battles Report post #2 Posted October 18, 2017 6.8km detection without CE? Wow she's going to be stealthy, and with those guns and torps she'll be quite potent. Doesn't state consumables but I'm assuming hydro will be there. 128mm guns though, isn't that the same as the stock Gaede? IIRC she gets up to 152mm which are much more potent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #3 Posted October 18, 2017 6.8 Kms concealment+concealment expert+Camo= 5.93Kms. Gaede concealment 6.6. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #4 Posted October 18, 2017 Also a new Italian T7 Cruiser on it´s way :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #5 Posted October 18, 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken_Jedi Players 849 posts 2,954 battles Report post #6 Posted October 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, JapLance said: 6.8 Kms concealment+concealment expert+Camo= 5.93Kms. Gaede concealment 6.6. LOL With 8km 65knt torpedoes, with that reload time. Christ it's going to be too good as a torpedo boat. Another unbalanced premium I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #7 Posted October 18, 2017 Well, there's a chance concealment already includes the 3% of the camouflage, so it would be 6.12Kms. Still too stealthy compared to Gaede. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #8 Posted October 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said: With 8km 65knt torpedoes, with that reload time. Christ it's going to be too good as a torpedo boat. Another unbalanced premium I think. Yep. The 90 second reload was already great for quad launchers, reducing it to 68s pushes it into Fubuki/Shinonome '7+ torpedoes per minute' range. ...and it has excellent 128mm guns with a 4s reload and 11.6km range. (Gaede has a 5.1s reload and 10.8km for comparison) Maybe it's got German smoke but no hydro for balance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken_Jedi Players 849 posts 2,954 battles Report post #9 Posted October 18, 2017 Even without hydro she's going to be pre-nerf Minekaze levels of torpedo spam, except she's going to have pretty epic guns to boot too. That reload doesn't even take torpedo rearm perk into account... insane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #10 Posted October 18, 2017 NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Wargaming Stop bringing out DDs.. as i said in the new french DD post I have 35DDs in port already.. She looks really Preddy..Ill be getting her as well. NEEED a German Prem DD. If any one is interested she is Dutch built.. Quote 1940 Type[edit] After the invasion of the Netherlands in 1940, the Dutch shipyards were almost undamaged. Therefore the Kriegsmarinecontracted three Dutch shipbuilders to build some smaller vessels. Classed as "Fleet torpedo boats" (Flottentorpedoboot) the 1940 Type was more a destroyer than a torpedo boat, with a full load displacement of 2,566 tons and carrying four 5-inch guns and eight 21-inch torpedo tubes in two quadruple mountings, and was based on Dutch designs. Twelve were ordered in 1940-1941, and numbered T.61 to T.72; but only eight were laid down by 1942 of which three were launched (the other five were destroyed on the slips); in 1944 these three incomplete ships (T.61, T.63 and T.65) were transferred to the Baltic Sea to be completed, and T.61 was torpedoed off the West Frisian Islands in September 1944, while the other two were captured by the Allies at Kiel and scuttled after the war. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #11 Posted October 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said: Even without hydro she's going to be pre-nerf Minekaze levels of torpedo spam, except she's going to have pretty epic guns to boot too. That reload doesn't even take torpedo rearm perk into account... insane. Well here is your answer why Minekaze was "adjusted" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #12 Posted October 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said: Even without hydro she's going to be pre-nerf Minekaze levels of torpedo spam, except she's going to have pretty epic guns to boot too. That reload doesn't even take torpedo rearm perk into account... insane. Torps are the G7 Steinbutt Exactly the same stats as the Guede(Tier 6) has now. Same number of guns but smaller than Guede (Same guns as stock Guede). More stealthy(.8km) but less HP. (Guede=16500HP) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacFergus Beta Tester 1,067 posts 4,880 battles Report post #13 Posted October 18, 2017 Jap DDs become more and more irrelevant . 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragnorak Players 617 posts 6,737 battles Report post #14 Posted October 18, 2017 Is there any point in having any IJN DD's lol.. Ill be getting this one. Looks sweet if it stays like that.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #15 Posted October 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, MacFergus said: Jap DDs become more and more irrelevant . IJN still have some bloody good boats.. Shinonome will still probably keep its place as best performing tier 6 DD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #16 Posted October 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Torps are the G7 Steinbutt Exactly the same stats as the Guede(Tier 6) has now. Same number of guns but smaller than Guede (Same guns as stock Guede). More stealthy(.8km) but less HP. (Guede=16500HP) Same guns as EG, but with the 15 RPM that LM gets. She trades 1,800 HP and 1 kt of speed for stealth, maneuoverability and T7 firepower, basically a meaningless sacrifice in return for everything you need to be an effective torpedo boat AND an effective gunboat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #17 Posted October 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, Capra76 said: Same guns as EG, but with the 15 RPM that LM gets. She trades 1,800 HP and 1 kt of speed for stealth, maneuoverability and T7 firepower, basically a meaningless sacrifice in return for everything you need to be an effective torpedo boat AND an effective gunboat. Missed the ROF Longer range as well, than Geude and MAAS... Guede is all about the 15cm guns though... that said guns probably need a bit of a nerf on the T 61 before release. Not saying she will be weak... she looks very very good. Main comment was about the torps just pointing out they are same as other tier 6 German DDs. I completely agree that the stealth is completely worth the sacrifice in HP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyllon Players 2,588 posts Report post #18 Posted October 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said: Even without hydro she's going to be pre-nerf Minekaze levels of torpedo spam, except she's going to have pretty epic guns to boot too. That reload doesn't even take torpedo rearm perk into account... insane. Please... Currently Minekaze has 42s reload, this thing has 68s reload - just to compare Fubuki has 76s, Shinonome 73s. That few seconds don't make much difference. Aaaand it is still WiP. Just nerf concealment slightly and it will be fine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #19 Posted October 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Skyllon said: Please... Currently Minekaze has 42s reload, this thing has 68s reload - just to compare Fubuki has 76s, Shinonome 73s. That few seconds don't make much difference. Aaaand it is still WiP. Just nerf concealment slightly and it will be fine. Guede has 90 sec reload with those Torps.. It is a little worrying WG are going down the line of Prem ship is better than same tier non prem of said nation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #20 Posted October 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, T0byJug said: I completely agree that the stealth is completely worth the sacrifice in HP. TBH I'd be happy to sacrifice the HP for the handling alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #21 Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, Capra76 said: TBH I'd be happy to sacrifice the HP for the handling alone. Current stats on T-61.. She looks like she will be OP when compared to the NON prem German DD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #22 Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, darkstar73 said: Should have been the Garibaldi, imho, but otherwise: Lafie wants! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyllon Players 2,588 posts Report post #23 Posted October 18, 2017 Just now, T0byJug said: Guede has 90 sec reload with those Torps.. It is a little worrying WG are going down the line of Prem ship is better than same tier non prem of said nation... But why? I don't see the problem with premiums being better (or share certain flavour of other nations) then its counterparts in the same line. I don't think they just should be better then other silvers on the same tier. Gaede has also Hydro and ability to mount 150s. So far we don't know about consumables on this thing. If it has slightly nerfed concealment, I'm absolutely fine with it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #24 Posted October 18, 2017 42 minutes ago, lafeel said: Should have been the Garibaldi, imho, but otherwise: Lafie wants! :) I also want that one :9 Maybe i have better luck with her than i have with the Duca. Always in a T8 with her Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragnorak Players 617 posts 6,737 battles Report post #25 Posted October 18, 2017 53 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Guede has 90 sec reload with those Torps.. It is a little worrying WG are going down the line of Prem ship is better than same tier non prem of said nation... Why would you buy a premium if it isn't better? Something has to tempt you.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
