Tier 9 with 460 mm cannons.Very balanced.

[gorobeasca19]

Hello! While browsing the Wrold of Warships facebook page I came across this. What do you think? How are they going to balance it? It is basically a Yamato with bad AA.

[WashedandDeceased]

.. and bad reload 

.. and worse sigma 

.. and slow turrets 

 

And you'll go in T10 most of the time anyway 

Also why another topic for this? 

[P2Win]

Another terrible BB player complaining, lul.

[Trainspite]

It doesn't make much difference that Musashi is at tier 9 with regards to the guns. Tier 7s get overmatched by 15" guns and above already, and the only effect would be on the increased frequency of seeing tier 8s compared to regular Yamato. Which shouldn't be that much of a problem as it is probably going to be behind a large FXP wall. 

 

I am more concerned at the actual balancing of aspects of the ship like the armour (Worse frontal bulkheads, but still good) and HP, as the guns themselves are no problem at tier 9, it just means the hull they are mounted on needs to be worse.

[Darth_Glorious]

Still superior to Izumo

[P2Win]

17 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said:

Still superior to Izumo

 

Izumo is garbage. You think they will sell a premium that's on par with izumo? lol

[Turnipsi]

3 hours ago, P2Win said:

 

Izumo is garbage. You think they will sell a premium that's on par with izumo? lol

If they do, I will once more revel in the fact that everyone keeps complaining about how bad it is, while I'm destroying everything with it.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Some folk like Zumo. Like a guy in my clan...

 

Won't 18" do better if BBs try to angle?

[WeGreedy]

If she has bad accuracy I'd definitely prefer the 406s of Iowa/Missouri.

[MacFergus]

Doesn't matter it just means more BBs in a game already flooded with BBs I really question why WG would do this.

[WolfGewehr]

World will end and servers will explode when 460'ers see tier 7 again. Don't forget the hamsters who survived the Great Explosion. They'll have to suffer from PTSD as they saw those 460 facing tier sevens again.

[Nechrom]

There's something about nerfing and downtiering ships that doesn't sit well with me.

You get aspects which are too powerful for the tier, things inherent with the ship which can't be changed, but then also other attributes which are over-nerfed to compensate.

We just end up with a really awkward ship that doesn't fit anywhere. It's like sailing an old A-hull IJN BB.

 

I much prefer things the other way around.

It's much easier to buff a ship to punch above it's original weight class. You also end up with a ship which often feels more powerful due to much better soft stats.

[TwoShellsFromHell]

is it worse than 410mm at tier 6? (Mutsu in mind, obviously since it's the only one) since the 406 start at T7

 

for Mutsu the "weakness" they did implemente for balance are a little logical but for Musashi ... it's a little less, Musashi was in all point equivalent, save for some AA at the border of the hull's side, to Yamato in their "end" configuration and it took quite more beating to bring down Musashi than Yamato, getting the '42 configuration .... is ....  

 

although for now Yamato is renamed to Musashi on my client ... 

 

also getting another BB is also indeed .... meh, even if FXP instead of prem, i am far from getting the Nelson even less to get the Missouri ... i have plenty BB, gold or silver, and lines to grind ...

[Nechrom]

2 minutes ago, nc_squall81 said:

is it worse than 410mm at tier 6? (Mutsu in mind, obviously since it's the only one) since the 406 start at T7

 

It's worse in practice since they have balanced bow and stern armor the way they have.

410mm guns don't overmatch any heavier armor plate than the 380mm guns which we've already had at those tiers for a long time.

But 460mm is just enough to overmatch 32mm of armor which all high tier BBs use as bow and stern plating.

 

7 minutes ago, nc_squall81 said:

for Mutsu the "weakness" they did implemente for balance are a little logical but for Musashi ... it's a little less, Musashi was in all point equivalent, save for some AA at the border of the hull's side, to Yamato in their "end" configuration and it took quite more beating to bring down Musashi than Yamato, getting the '42 configuration .... is ....  

 

Historically the Mutsu and Musashi early configurations are based on the same idea by WG, same class as a current ship but in an earlier configuration one tier lower.

The biggest difference is what that "early configuration" means for both ships. That's where they differ almost completely.

Mutsu shares the weaker AA with the Musashi as you would expect with an earlier configuration before wartime refits, but that's where the similarities end. Mutsu is otherwise practically the same as the Nagato with the exception of the big one, main gun shell performance. Which is ironically basically the only thing the Musashi shares with the Yamato.

So the same idea, but very different results in practice.

 

tl;dr - Mutsu compared to Nagato, bad AA and awful AP shells. Musashi compared to Yamato, bad EVERYTHING except for main gun shells and armor.

[BlackYeti]

21 hours ago, Trainspite said:

It doesn't make much difference that Musashi is at tier 9 with regards to the guns. Tier 7s get overmatched by 15" guns and above already

 

This.

Basically from a Tier 7 perspective she is far less dangerous than a NC because of worse accuracy and handling, coupled with one of the most vulnerable citadel of all BBs nowadays.

So no, not OP. It's more of a problem to tiers 8+ as it means more 32mm overmatching guns on the field.

[Kreskent]

I'm more interested in which extra consumable they are going to give it for gimmick's sake. 

[P2Win]

I am guessing this will be the best T9 battleship once it's released. Remember those stats are going to change.

[TwoShellsFromHell]

5 hours ago, Nechrom said:

tl;dr - Mutsu compared to Nagato, bad AA and awful AP shells. Musashi compared to Yamato, bad EVERYTHING except for main gun shells and armor.

actually what i meant .... with " Musashi was in all point equivalent, save for some AA at the border of the hull's side, to Yamato in their "end" configuration and it took quite more beating to bring down Musashi than Yamato, getting the '42 configuration .... is ...." was

 

the T10 should be Musashi the T9 should be Yamato (or both should be in their end configuration and at T10 )not an issue tho ... global.mo better keep be modifiable ...

 

in the end they will do the same as with Mutsu and Nagato :  hull A (1931 not 1921) recycled for gold sister ship, except that Mutsu is a beauty, Nagato also is one but Hull A Yamato classe looks .... 

(Mutsu old model AP are fine, i love'em ...)

 

if they wanted something original, they should have thought of the Ise .... in "aviation battleship" configuration .... (tho it wouldn't cut the "another BB" effect ... and also give a "a CV that can defend itself, nonsense!", the later is overrated .... it wasn't a CV )

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1 hour ago, P2Win said:

I am guessing this will be the best T9 battleship once it's released. Remember those stats are going to change.

i'm pretty sure the Missouri will stay like that ...

[AUDRAGON]

[Major_Damage225]

I think wg made a mistake making Musashi T9, idk mabe it's just me but with theyr track record, Missouri's are goin to be happy seeing and shooting it. 

[ClappingLollies]

On 18.10.2017 at 10:52 AM, Freyr_90 said:

.. and bad reload 

.. and worse sigma 

.. and slow turrets 

 

And you'll go in T10 most of the time anyway 

Also why another topic for this? 

But brings more braindead gameplay into the game. Point, click, delete. 

[ShinGetsu]

On 19/10/2017 at 5:26 AM, nc_squall81 said:

and it took quite more beating to bring down Musashi than Yamato

Only because USN analyzed the damage Musashi took and used it to bring down Yamato more easily, concentrating all the attack on one side.

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

Tomatoes are going to love that BB.......and we will pass from 1 cruiser per team to 0 soon.

 

This said will stick to my cruiser -> simply because tomatoes salty tears are so nice and their shouts of 'Nerf cruiser HE' are so nice.

 

Sad consequence of that BB infestation -> DD tomatoes die because no cruiser support -> because if cruiser supports then cruiser dead pretty soon because too close to the 5-6BB.

Cruisers play at max range or die (and only slowly get closer) -> number of games when my ibuki-DM- (put any cruiser name here) got insulted for:

1 Not helping DD. (1-2 cruisers against 5-6 BB usually so of course cruiser following DD = cruiser deleted having done nothing)

2 Staying at max range/behind island (again getting closer at the start of the game = cruiser deleted having done nothing)

 

I want all tomatoes BB to understand, cruisers like me will not do anything else than farm dmg, because with plenty of games with 5-6 BB, 1 CV, 4-5 DD -> cruisers are dead meat if not staying at safe range.........

 

Oh and if one of those tomatoes BB from 2 days ago are reading:

My ibuki was not going to cap C because:

1 All you BB died already while the enemy still had 3 BB.

2 All you DD died already while the enemy still had 2 DD.

 

So yes I prefer to farm my dmg rather than go suicide cap which was nonsense since they already had the 2 other caps.

 

[TwoShellsFromHell]

4 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

Only because USN analyzed the damage Musashi took and used it to bring down Yamato more easily, concentrating all the attack on one side.

true that .... [warning 2nd degree joke] i always forget they had the capacity to analyze situation...or a brain[/joke]

 

The torpedoes focusing on one side of the Yamato is often credited for making her easy to sink than the Musashi, it marginally effected the amount of torpedoes needed, but dramatically effected the time needed to sink, as the Musashi took 4+ hours to sink after the last attack, mostly due to hits on each sides, indeed, cancelling any listing on one side or the other .

Interestingly enough is that the Musashi for whatever reason did not try to pump out excess water in the few hours prior to the last attack, this would have given her more buoyancy for certain, though her fate would have been sealed anyway.

 

also it's a granted that focusing one side is more effective than going split damage (tho IRL, not IG  in WoWs it's efficient ahah) .... nothing, really, worth analyzing

[Affeks]

460mm guns do nothing to tier 7 ships that even 380mm guns dont already do.

 

Musashi looks really damn weak if you ask me. No reason to take it over Missouri ever