[GENIE] _Ghostship_ Players 328 posts 6,599 battles Report post #1 Posted October 16, 2017 Good morning, in my opinoin the Saipan is way too strong. Especially because their fighters are way too fast. Theres no chance you can catch up why any other T7 plane. Even if can manage to strafe em, they are just flying away from your strafe because they are that much faster. I play mostly Hiryu and you have no chance at all. If you fight strafe agsinst strafe, you will lose mostly 2-3 fighters and he maybe loose 1 at all, sonetimes none. Even the torpedo and dive bombers are nearly as fast as your fighters, its really hard to catch up with them. The ship clearly needs a rework, 4x t9 fighters (with skill) on tier 7 per squadron is just too much. Because of the high HP they didnt even take much damage from a perfekt strafe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangrey Beta Tester, Players 740 posts 20,955 battles Report post #2 Posted October 16, 2017 Yes it is .... it need to lose a plane when it strafe out of combat... othre then that it is balanced Mang 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GENIE] _Ghostship_ Players 328 posts 6,599 battles Report post #3 Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mangrey said: Yes it is .... it need to lose a plane when it strafe out of combat... othre then that it is balanced Mang Yeah thats a real problem too. He can dodge fights as often as he want without loosing anything unlike other CV. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #4 Posted October 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, _Ghostship_ said: Good morning, in my opinoin the Saipan is way too strong. Especially because their fighters are way too fast. Theres no chance you can catch up why any other T7 plane. Even if can manage to strafe em, they are just flying away from your strafe because they are that much faster. I play mostly Hiryu and you have no chance at all. If you fight strafe agsinst strafe, you will lose mostly 2-3 fighters and he maybe loose 1 at all, sonetimes none. Even the torpedo and dive bombers are nearly as fast as your fighters, its really hard to catch up with them. The ship clearly needs a rework, 4x t9 fighters (with skill) on tier 7 per squadron is just too much. Because of the high HP they didnt even take much damage from a perfekt strafe. just bcuz i rekt you today , you need post in forum ? 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GENIE] _Ghostship_ Players 328 posts 6,599 battles Report post #5 Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said: just bcuz i rekt you today , you need post in forum ? Just because the ship is too strong on Tier 7. If you're be honest you would say the same. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TPG] MiniBrit Players 63 posts 12,079 battles Report post #6 Posted October 16, 2017 The only thing saipan excels at is domination over other carriers. Every other CV at tier 7 has more carrying potential, so if you do not have a reliable team in saipan, you will not win as much as in hiryu, ranger or kaga. Saipan can easily shut down any enemy CV though, other than AS Ranger which puts up a bit of a fight. But the question is what's the point? You shut down a CV and remove their strike capabilities, but all you do is make them and yourself useless. Saipan requires a division to play with, and you will find yourself in a spot of trouble if the team isn't up to scratch because it has no damage over time capabilities, which means targets have to be alpha struck, which leads to more problems. Overall saipan is not OP unless it has a team to capitalise on the air superiority. EDIT: I am talking about strike saipan, AS is pure overkill and no point whatsoever, but the points are the same even for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WGB] iJoby Community Contributor 2,171 posts 30,925 battles Report post #7 Posted October 16, 2017 27 minutes ago, _Ghostship_ said: in my opinoin the Saipan is way too strong Yup, Might be because it is Premium. If you cant beat em, join em! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dodgerstein Players 3 posts Report post #8 Posted October 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, MiniBrit said: The only thing saipan excels at is domination over other carriers. Every other CV at tier 7 has more carrying potential, so if you do not have a reliable team in saipan, you will not win as much as in hiryu, ranger or kaga. Saipan can easily shut down any enemy CV though, other than AS Ranger which puts up a bit of a fight. But the question is what's the point? You shut down a CV and remove their strike capabilities, but all you do is make them and yourself useless. Saipan requires a division to play with, and you will find yourself in a spot of trouble if the team isn't up to scratch because it has no damage over time capabilities, which means targets have to be alpha struck, which leads to more problems. Overall saipan is not OP unless it has a team to capitalise on the air superiority. EDIT: I am talking about strike saipan, AS is pure overkill and no point whatsoever, but the points are the same even for it. I guess someone created a myth and you believe in it. Well I played saipan a lot (not on this server), and I can say that non of what you said is true. You are underestimating Saipan's torpedo bombers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #9 Posted October 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said: just bcuz i rekt you today , you need post in forum ? No shame in that OP. Blogis has wrecked me several times as well! On topic: it depends on the MM. In a T5 match the side which has the Saipan will win. There's absolutely no AA answer to T9 planes. The Saipan player will quickly suffer from RSI because of the damage harvesting. Also the non Saipan side needs to have an super abled CV player in order to give somewhat of a counter. Too bad those players are extremely rare and the Saipan players very often know what they are doing. In a T9 match I don't fear Saipan at all. Specced nearly all my ships as much AA as possible. I happily invite the planes to the shredder in Missouri f.e. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #10 Posted October 16, 2017 41 minutes ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said: just bcuz i rekt you today , you need post in forum ? TOPKEK The moment I saw this thread I KNEW it was about Blogis We should call this: the Blogis-effect. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #11 Posted October 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, mtm78 said: TOPKEK The moment I saw this thread I KNEW it was about Blogis We should call this: the Blogis-effect. Good point. Now the question is: how do we counter him? I'm forwarding the suggestion to send in the Marines and steal his Saipan from port! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #12 Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, Ferry_25 said: Good point. Now the question is: how do we counter him? I'm forwarding the suggestion to send in the Marines and steal his Saipan from port! I told him to stop sealclubbing in clan chat, he laughed and pointed to my Imperator and Gremmy Also, it's hard to say you're clubbin on tier 7... but heck some people even club at tier X. Anyway, yes Saipan is overperforming but why do I also sometimes see people with <50% wr on their Saipan? I mean, is is a skill floor issue? CV's and balancing is something WG has issues with overall so I don't think it's much use to focus just on Saipan. Only 'fix' is waiting for a carrier rework which would also balance them out overall. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParEx Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,449 posts 7,711 battles Report post #13 Posted October 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said: No shame in that OP. Blogis has wrecked me several times as well! On topic: it depends on the MM. In a T5 match the side which has the Saipan will win. There's absolutely no AA answer to T9 planes. The Saipan player will quickly suffer from RSI because of the damage harvesting. Also the non Saipan side needs to have an super abled CV player in order to give somewhat of a counter. Too bad those players are extremely rare and the Saipan players very often know what they are doing. In a T9 match I don't fear Saipan at all. Specced nearly all my ships as much AA as possible. I happily invite the planes to the shredder in Missouri f.e. This is the main reason many players fear the Saipan. Combination of fast planes ( = less time inside AA Aura) and more HP than their T7 Counterparts makes them hard to counter even if in a ship of same tier. The only ship that can counter a Saipan is a Full-AA-Atlanta. Even Pepsicola cant shoot down enough planes before impact, while other T7 CVs will pay hard for every attack. Thing is, Saipan has a Matchmaking that is quite hard to balance. It can see Tier5 up to Tier9. As mentioned, T5 has almost zero AA a Saipan has to fear, while it gets good at T7, and in T9 Saipan gets countered quite good. One way to balance this could be a reduced MM, from T6-9, so it doenst get to be toptier that often. Doesnt do much to the CV-CV-Balance, but Im a noob at that and will get out of that kind of discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TPG] MiniBrit Players 63 posts 12,079 battles Report post #14 Posted October 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, Dodgerstein said: I guess someone created a myth and you believe in it. Well I played saipan a lot (not on this server), and I can say that non of what you said is true. You are underestimating Saipan's torpedo bombers. I DID NOT say they were underpowered, I said that hiryu kaga and ranger have better strike capabilities... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BANCN] pfcremus Players 124 posts 7,997 battles Report post #15 Posted October 16, 2017 that guy said it: - Ships like Belfast and Saipan should not exist. Period. At least remove them from the shop. u can't do $hit when a saipan targets you on a low AA ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyllon Players 2,588 posts Report post #16 Posted October 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said: Good point. Now the question is: how do we counter him? Sink him. That way he won't be able to control his planes. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 15,010 battles Report post #17 Posted October 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, pfcremus said: u can't do $hit when a saipan targets you on a low AA ship Regarding that point Kaga is waaaaay worse. Hiryu has more strike power, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #18 Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, _Ghostship_ said: Just because the ship is too strong on Tier 7. If you're be honest you would say the same. Saipan killed cv gameplay at t7 for me 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #19 Posted October 16, 2017 There is no better example in the whole game of premium ships that are just plain better than the Silver Counterparts in any given tier. A good CV player can make all of them work, but its a up hill struggle from the word go if your against a Kaga or Saipan (got both, as well as the Ranger and Hiryu) The Kaga in a tier 5-6-7 game is just down right deadly (alpha strike) and the Sapian is the only CV i care about facing. It can do things the other CVs can only dream about. Its also the best to deal with being up tiered to most. The Kaga really does suffer alot at tier 8 + 9 MM (which makes it not so OP). The Saipan doesn't give too hoots. The torps are just as deadly too. Its just that a lot of players buy the Saipan right from the start without any experience or knowledge on CV gameplay and get owned. Like a lot of premium ships to be honest 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #20 Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, iJoby said: Yup, Might be because it is Premium. If you cant beat em, join em! Yep. I had a lot of fun playing my Kaga and i think it is the best T7 carrier (because i like oneshotting things) but it has no chance against a competent Saipan player, they can strafe pretty much all day long like a pinball game because of the immunity of losing a plane (and that the fact that US fighters have unlimited ammo for... WG reasons...) so i bought it as well. Pretty boring gameplay but effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #21 Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, mtm78 said: TOPKEK The moment I saw this thread I KNEW it was about Blogis We should call this: the Blogis-effect. Kek you made my day better :) 1 hour ago, Ferry_25 said: Good point. Now the question is: how do we counter him? I'm forwarding the suggestion to send in the Marines and steal his Saipan from port! send allot salt and peppers ? :P 47 minutes ago, Skyllon said: Sink him. That way he won't be able to control his planes this not helps to carry you again 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyllon Players 2,588 posts Report post #22 Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said: this not helps to carry you again Oh, c'mon! Do I need to break my leg again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RJCTS] Boris_MNE Players 1,568 posts 10,303 battles Report post #23 Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said: just bcuz i rekt you today , you need post in forum ? How many people in these days know to play CVs... or any other class... i wonder.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gekkehenkie50 Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 675 posts 5,845 battles Report post #24 Posted October 16, 2017 I like Hiryu at tier VII, easy consistent feeling of: Yep, Im gonna make the difference for my team, one way or the other. If I meet a potato CV: Time to farm the dmg bois If I meet a semi-competent CV: let's have an interesting duel, see who wins If I meet a well-handled Saipan/Kaga/CV in general: Medieval jousting match/ classic dogfight / elc amx vs elc amx feeling ^^ Even if I lose in the 1v1 against them, it should still have mitigated their dmg against my fleet. Even if I get under 50k, and only 20 planes, it was still a fun duel. CV gameplay atm. is so small, I think we should all just have fun, and not take it too seriously, after all, WG doesnt either. So, make CV gameplay a gentlemans sport imo. then, when/if the CV rework comes, we can look at balancing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] ClappingLollies Players 1,953 posts Report post #25 Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said: just bcuz i rekt you today , you need post in forum ? Sealclubber! <3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
