Rewards for not torping allies at low tiers

[aquiles7389]

Hi.

 

   I've been playing low tiers a little bit more lately due to the "Spoils of the Revolution" mission...But I found that I've been torped more by allies than by enemies.

I can make my way to avoid enemy torps by using WASD hack, but FFS allies firing their torps not giving a flying fu*k and turning pink it's very common!...And of course they will always come with the "You jumped into my torpedoes" retard argument...(yeah, me on my big slow bb charging towards the enemy....). Explaining them that they should not fire torps when there are allies nerby is harder than teaching Nuclear physics to a Kindergarden kid.
 

Penalties are harsh and accidents may happen....Why not reward the fact of actually aiming where are the low tier dds aiming their torps?

[Agantas]

"Why not reward the fact.."

 

What exactly do you mean by that?

[aquiles7389]

Like in WoT....after X number of battles without torp damage to your allies you get a ribbon/medal.

And maybe after X number of ribbons/medals you get some cammos/doubloons/xp/something as reward.

[iJoby]

Simple solution is, ban all pink ships from playing any random, ranked,and scenarios, while they are pink, they can only play co op.

Maybe add in a 24hr cool off ban period and redirected to a training video.

[Juanx]

2 hours ago, aquiles7389 said:

Hi.

 

   I've been playing low tiers a little bit more lately due to the "Spoils of the Revolution" mission...But I found that I've been torped more by allies than by enemies.

I can make my way to avoid enemy torps by using WASD hack, but FFS allies firing their torps not giving a flying fu*k and turning pink it's very common!...And of course they will always come with the "You jumped into my torpedoes" retard argument...(yeah, me on my big slow bb charging towards the enemy....). Explaining them that they should not fire torps when there are allies nerby is harder than teaching Nuclear physics to a Kindergarden kid.
 

Penalties are harsh and accidents may happen....Why not reward the fact of actually aiming where are the low tier dds aiming their torps?

 

Erm, no, its not hard to explain or understand, they simply refuse to care for their teammates, hence, they get pinked. I stopped avoiding friendly torps, much rather die to my teammates torps than to an enemy that gets a free kill because I have to swerve to avoid torps from a teammate showing broadside.

So they should learn to enjoy their pink status if they do not care, and I would also voucher for harsher penalties if the issue repeats itself.

[Skyllon]

1 hour ago, aquiles7389 said:

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Penalties are harsh and accidents may happen... (...)

 

If they were, we'd have less such 'accidents' happening. If anything, they are not harsh enough for habitual offenders...

[BrusilovX]

The reward for not hitting team mates may be that you do damage against the enemy and gain more XP and credits (although not if you're in a CA/BB firing 6km (or less torps) at targets 10Km away)...

 

[Vanhal]

Make all torps fired from out the range a boomerangs.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

3 hours ago, aquiles7389 said:

.Why not reward the fact of actually aiming where are the low tier dds aiming their torps?

 

Sooo... you want to reward them for doing something that should be expected from everybody playing this game? Guess you would also reward students for being able to breathe without having to think about it, ey?

 

The only thing that come to my mind when getting teamtorped by mentally challenged players is, that they should reveive at least a ban for a couple games for each torp that hits an ally...

[GeorgeT1012_gt]

The team torping is something encountered at high tiers too, less frequently of course. There have been many cases where DDs or even CAs spam torps (many times as their last hope to deal some damage when their death is sure) while not paying attention to the courses of their allies, and this happens especially in high tiers where torp ranges are long, or torps are very fast. Although in most cases it is an accident (caused by lack of situational awareness), team torping can even be an action of 'revenge' or anger, for example when somebody kills an enemy they wanted to kill, or because they are just jeallous of what you are doing in the battle (this happened to me in a tier 4 game, when I got the kraken medal an "ally" delibarately torped me).

From what i have seen, the frequent team torping incidents are mainly encountered in tiers 2-3, where the first ships with torps exist. At tier 4 (the lowest tier of the mission marathon) this becomes pretty rare, just a bit more frequent than in high tiers, because the majority of players have learned how to avoid it. Maybe you got a bit unlucky and the MM didn't like you that day, or someone wanted to 'troll' the others, as generaly after tier 4 team torping becomes rare.

As for the medal you propose, this is something that I would like to see. I think this should be like the WoT medal, all team damage should be taken into account, even ramming. Rewards for it should be decent, because it is a bit hard not to ram, or -in most cases- not to be rammed. If ramming is excluded, rewards don't actualy make sense because it is much easier (if not an everyday thing) for a normal player not to cause damage by main armament (secondaries don't cause any team damage now as I know) and also this is what a player must do to comply with the rules.

I think though that in order to prevent team torping there should be intro videos in the game, or part of the intro mission, reminding the new players to be careful when torping, not just the advice given before the battle starts that nobody pays attention to. Also the penalties for the teamkillers should be more strict, so that players think better before deliberately doing any team damage.

[aquiles7389]

On 14/10/2017 at 1:46 PM, iJoby said:

Simple solution is, ban all pink ships from playing any random, ranked,and scenarios, while they are pink, they can only play co op.

Maybe add in a 24hr cool off ban period and redirected to a training video.

You, I like your idea...But most of the time punishment never works and only make people flood the forums with complains....

 

On 14/10/2017 at 3:41 PM, Vanhal said:

Make all torps fired from out the range a boomerangs.

I like your idea even more.

[AmazingBeaver]

I just ate a full salvo in my BB from fubuki who was spamming torps behind everyone, funnily enough, none of his targets were in his range. The incident caused quite a uproat in my team and despite his 37% winrate and quite a bot like behaviour, he typed fluent english, saying our team was in his way and he didnt give a flying f*ck cus he just plays for fun... I think I had stream on, might make some dank gifs of it.

[EsaTuunanen]

On 10/14/2017 at 11:41 PM, Vanhal said:

Make all torps fired from out the range a boomerangs.

Launching while out of range and letting enemy sail into range is actually how few pre-Mahan USN DDs can stealth torp in open.

So should include check if there are no friendlies in launch direction.

[Loran_Battle]

7 hours ago, AmazingBeaver said:

I just ate a full salvo in my BB from fubuki who was spamming torps behind everyone, funnily enough, none of his targets were in his range. The incident caused quite a uproat in my team and despite his 37% winrate and quite a bot like behaviour, he typed fluent english, saying our team was in his way and he didnt give a flying f*ck cus he just plays for fun... I think I had stream on, might make some dank gifs of it.

 

That is the kind of player that needs a week long ban with a clear message explaining he is wrong. I get so absolutely angry just reading this. That kind of mentality of  "I just play for fun, so I can completely ruin the fun of others" is just so... ugh! It shows me that person basically has no empathy or anything.

It is like playing football and one of your players just runs around kicking players instead of the ball. And then says "but I'm just playing for fun". Too bad I cannot use the stronger words that I feel about this. I get so angry at ANY tier when I see monkeys firing torpedoes at targets 15km away... in a ship with 4-6km torps (coughtirpitzplayerscough).

 

I really feel like the game should tell you when you fire torps and they have even a chance of going near an ally (or if it goes near an ally regardless). Should not be too difficult to implement. Maybe the first time you play a ship with torpedoes you are forced to watch a 10 minute video explaining torpedoes have a max range and how team damage works.

Maybe harsher teamkilling rules should be in place as well.

I don't know, at this point I also think it is hopeless to try to educate the masses.

[Juanx]

9 hours ago, aquiles7389 said:

most of the time punishment never works and only make people flood the forums with complains....

 

You mean like they already do with their 1st world problems?

Punishment is the only language human beings understand.

[HystericalAccuracy]

On 14.10.2017 at 8:46 PM, iJoby said:

redirected to a training video

+1

[True_Winterfeld]

Training video?

 

You must be new or blind, since when has WG provided any proper tutorials or training videos?

 

@ Topic

AYE, annoying but well a reward for not being dumb? Has it already come to that? Getting someting for not putting your dingdong in the blender and press a button should get a reward. NOPE! Increase the penalties. Bigger rod for the ones who dont care where they torp.

[EsaTuunanen]

10 hours ago, aquiles7389 said:

But most of the time punishment never works....

That's because modern "punishment" is patting on back/should.

Before it was victim who had the rights and perp got crap beaten out of back skin to improve manners.

 

Just in previous match had to turn because Kamikaze launched out of range torps while I was myself closer to enemy torpedo boat.

[AnotherDuck]

On 14/10/2017 at 10:41 PM, Vanhal said:

Make all torps fired from out the range a boomerangs.

 

Ooh, I want that. Pick Shima, switch to 20 km torps, target ship out of range, shoot, and get two chances of hitting everything within those 20 km. Awesome.

[Agantas]

1 hour ago, True_Winterfeld said:

Training video?

 

You must be new or blind, since when has WG provided any proper tutorials or training videos?

 

@ Topic

AYE, annoying but well a reward for not being dumb? Has it already come to that? Getting someting for not putting your dingdong in the blender and press a button should get a reward. NOPE! Increase the penalties. Bigger rod for the ones who dont care where they torp.

 

They have some "Naval Academy" videos in Youtube. The Basic training button that linked some of them is now broken, though. Here's the CV one for example:

 

It's a different matter if we get hung on on the word 'proper', though. Also, these videos are quite old.

[Vanhal]

1 hour ago, AnotherDuck said:

 

Ooh, I want that. Pick Shima, switch to 20 km torps, target ship out of range, shoot, and get two chances of hitting everything within those 20 km. Awesome.

 

Heh yeah. I meant like "immediately".

[Barkyro]

On 10/14/2017 at 8:46 PM, iJoby said:

Simple solution is, ban all pink ships from playing any random, ranked,and scenarios, while they are pink, they can only play co op.

Maybe add in a 24hr cool off ban period and redirected to a training video.

Are you serious? Man EVERYONE here has TK'd at some point in time be it intentional or not. There is literally nothing I can do if someone sails into my torps after I checked his course and also warned him that I am torping. Yeah ,make me pink but having to play coop for 2 days (cause I dont have that much free time) is complete bullcrap

[Verblonde]

As a recent arrival from WOT (20K or so battles across servers/platforms), and utter newbie, I think there may be a number of elements to this:

As someone above mentions, it *seems* to be more common at lower tiers (barring a couple of mistakes, I'm mostly playing around T3-5 in randoms at the moment), and I suspect a lot of that is just new-to-the-game cluelessnes, especially with regards to awareness of what's going on around you. The same thing happens in WOT - people get fixated on the thing they're aiming at, and miss whatever is going on around the periphery. In WOT, that just gets you killed, whilst in WOWS it gets you killed, and *also* increases the likelihood of you torping an ally.

Besides simply not noticing what's around you, the basic mechanics of torps take a bit of getting used to: most shooter games tend to involve shots that are reasonably fast; by comparison, even the fastest torp, essentially strolls towards the enemy, practically stopping for an espresso on the way, admires the view and so on. Until you're used to this, you tend to take shots on the basis of 'is anyone in the way *now*? No? Jolly good - fire!', not considering that other ships may change course and get into your line of fire. Again, this is something that experience should mostly fix (so, another reason why this stuff is more common at lower tiers).

The behaviour of torps (see above) tends to mean there are many occasions where holding fire is the wise option, rather than taking the snap-shot, and hoping all is well; this is a new behaviour for people to learn - until people learn it, the likelihood of friendly fire is much higher.

TL;DR new players are far more likely to mess up and shoot their allies with torps.

How to fix it (difficult): encourage people to watch lots of training videos (even half a dozen should help, if they're the right ones); introduce some sort of minor reward for no friendly fire for 'x' battles (you get some sort of merit badge for this in WOT, but it's easier not to shoot allies in WOT, although it does still happen); if someone does it in game, allow the person they shot with torps (only) to trigger some sort of training window pop-up on the player's interface after the game "shooting friendlies with torps is bad, watch this training video" - perhaps, after the fifth reported offense,  force them to watch the video? Also, if you're in game with someone who torps their own side, try and message them *politely*, if you can be bothered - some newbies may simply not know that it's bad form to blow up your own side (I accept that requires a pretty low IQ, but even so)...

[philjd]

1 hour ago, Barkyro said:

Are you serious? Man EVERYONE here has TK'd at some point in time be it intentional or not. 

With respect, speak for yourself, I haven't even turned pink yet :)

(I have hit the odd person with a shell or very rare torp', but not enough to turn pink etc).

[Verblonde]

2 minutes ago, philjd said:

With respect, speak for yourself, I haven't even turned pink yet :)

(I have hit the odd person with a shell or very rare torp', but not enough to turn pink etc).

I'm pretty sure you're in a minority!

It's actually pretty impressive to have never turned pink...

My finest quality stupid so far was to fire a couple of pairs of torps at some foe or other, which someone else sunk, and then two allies come rushing in from either side (from behind islands, presumably after the same foe) and each of them runs into one of my torp pairs each, and both sink within seconds of each other. This was in PvE, and very low tier, and I hadn't yet learned the 'sometimes better not to fire' lesson yet, especially not at low tier when people may not be paying attention to what's going on around them just as much as you aren't.