1st nerf of Conqueror and Lion published

[elblancogringo]

From the Wolrd of Warship development blog

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ST, Conqueror and Lion balancing

As the British battleships were introduced quite recently, a simple comparison to older branches doesn't make too much sense. Current Conqueror and Lion population hasn't quite stabilized yet. Therefore we analyzed the statistics of Conqueror owners compared to their appropriate numbers with Yamato, Montana and Grosser Kurfürst.

Average damage (in hit points):
Conqueror: 108 254
Montana: 97 142
Yamato: 95 917
G.K.: 91 981

Average damage (in HP %):
Conqueror: 161,49 (47,3 against cruisers, 96,2 against battleships, 15,8 against destroyers)
Montana: 162,25 (70,8 against cruisers, 71,7 against battleships, 16,9 against destroyers)
Yamato: 153,07 (60,9 against cruisers, 76,6 against battleships, 13,6 against destroyers)
G.K.: 155,45 (66,2 against cruisers, 71,7 against battleships, 16,9 against destroyers)

Average number of ships destroyed:
Conqueror: 0,93
Montana: 1,09
Yamato: 0,95
G.K.: 1,00

Average survival rate:
Conqueror: 52%
Montana: 45%
Yamato: 40%
G.K.: 40%

Average win rate:
Conqueror: 52%
Montana: 54%
Yamato: 52%
G.K.: 53%

Average lifetime (in minutes):
Conqueror: 12,46
Montana: 11,84
Yamato: 11,51
G.K.: 11,35

The story so far:
Conqueror does in fact have high average damage, but that is mostly due to his priority target - other battleships. However, as it is mostly damage by HE shells and fire, Repair Party is quite effective for mitigating that.
As of right now Conqueror's win rate is far from anomalous.
The only tangible thing at the moment is her average lifetime, but decreasing that might heavily impact her efficiency in other departments.
Comparing Lion to her closest adversaries bore similar results.

Using this data we will test the tweaks to performance stats:

Conqueror
- Repair party I consumable recharge time is increased from 120 to 180 seconds;
- Repair party II consumable recharge time is increased from 80 to 120 seconds;
- Detectability range is increased from 14,76 km to 15,66 km;
- Detectability range while firing from smoke screen is increased from 15,85 km to 16,69 km.

Lion
- Repair party I consumable recharge time is increased from 120 to 180 seconds;
- Repair party II consumable recharge time is increased from 80 to 120 seconds.

These changes should balance Conqueror's performance against the other ships of this tier. She will, however, still have the best concealment among the group and the ability to take the most momentary damage thanks to Repair Party.

[1MajorKoenig]

This is not a nerf it is a joke

[waxx25]

Raise its citadel would solve the problem.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

48 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

This is not a nerf it is a joke

 

by your pic immo germans whine always bcuz gk got burned by conq?

[ghostbuster_]

Give those ships f*cking citadels! 

[SavageRat]

I wonder if they could generate a stat telling us how much damage each ship does that can NOT be healed back?

Would give a better idea of real world effectiveness. 

 

Eg. GK has lower damage than Conq, but as it mostly fires AP due to it's poor HE, maybe it is actually a more effective damage dealer overall?

[22cm]

1 hour ago, ghostbuster_ said:

Give those ships f*cking citadels! 

And who has citadels anymore these days? Only the cruisers and Yamato as compensation for the trolpen guns.

[22cm]

1 hour ago, SavageRat said:

I wonder if they could generate a stat telling us how much damage each ship does that can NOT be healed back?

Would give a better idea of real world effectiveness. 

 

Eg. GK has lower damage than Conq, but as it mostly fires AP due to it's poor HE, maybe it is actually a more effective damage dealer overall?

 

Most UK BB damage is fully repairable.

[ColonelPete]

Not really. The HE part of the damage is quite high and not fully repairable.

[Mr_Snoww]

the salt people have about this ship makes me love playing it :D i feel like a bag of chips playing it. the more salt people pour on me the better i get

[iJoby]

Help me out a bit here guys, what will be the changes on my Conqueror after the Nerfs have been tested and found worthy to be released to a patch in the future?

Will Repair Party II become 108 s? 

 

 

[22cm]

5 minutes ago, iJoby said:

 

Will Repair Party II become 108 s? 

 

 

Yes. But I think it has to be tested first.

[triumphgt6]

It would seem to me, as someone who plays little in the way of BBs, that the Lion and Conqueror are clearly going to do more damage because of the associated fire damage. This however can be repaired whereas the damage done by AP on the whole sticks. It probably means that the other top tier BBs are more likely to carry games. As a lower tier cruiser player, what I fear most is a well played German BB with the long range secondaries as they set me on fire and the main batteries penetrate and one shot me. I do think a balance is needed and hope that this step will help though I am sure many will never be happy. I actually think that the game benefits from diversity as it makes it more interesting to play and will keep players interested. The fact that it has stirred emotions is good - what would be worse is the game dying of boredom.

[shamelesscreature]

8 minutes ago, iJoby said:

Help me out a bit here guys, what will be the changes on my Conqueror after the Nerfs have been tested and found worthy to be released to a patch in the future?

Will Repair Party II become 108 s? 

Yes, and surface detection range with a full concealment build will become 11.76 km if these changes make it onto the live server. 

[1MajorKoenig]

3 hours ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said:

 

by your pic immo germans whine always bcuz gk got burned by conq?

 

Nope because HE spam should be a cruiser thing. RN BBs are *Edited point & click ships *Edited at the moment. Rather than tackling BB overpopulation WG releases a monkey-proof BB line. 

 

Yea you are right. Absolutely a great idea. This is why Warplanes died btw and WG does it again because they keep listening to the BBabies who refuse to even learn the basics. So let's dumb it down further and have BBs sitting cloaked at 20km spamming HE.

 

Riiiiight!

 

EDIT: I don't care about the nation as you implied. Not a fan of how Bismarck was implemented either but [edited] is the climax of idiocy

 

Edit 2: Conqueror got censored by the forum software hahaha maybe they know how bad it is

[iJoby]

2 hours ago, shamelesscreature said:

Yes, and surface detection range with a full concealment build will become 11.76 km if these changes make it onto the live server. 

Nearly the same as the NC.

2 hours ago, 22cm said:

 

Yes. But I think it has to be tested first.

Ok Thanks.

 

2 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

RN BBs are *Edited point & click ships for absolute *Edited

This obviously means you should get one *Edited

Give your comments some intelligent content, and debate like a human if possible.

The forum is here to voice our concerns, questions and find the right answers, not rant like and insult like you have shown many times.

*Edited

[Aschwell]

5 minutes ago, iJoby said:

Nearly the same as the NC.

Ok Thanks.

The NC is a much smaller BB and in the past showing some side in that ship got you deleted very fast. All I see from some people is that they bring stupid arguments in anyway possible to defend their little toy. This ship is nothing than a co...extender for the most people that own it.

I have no problems with its amazing heal, Minotaur has it, but it is balanced with a raised citadel because of it. Also it takes skill playing Mino which is they way it should be with every damn ship in the game. If you do good in it you get rewarded, if you do bad then learn to be git gud in it. But WG need to cater the braindead lazy players ofc.

 

Monqueror has no Balance. We can talk all day long how fun it is that it "brings" new flavour to the game it is still UNbalanced as f.... and braindead at best.

[Fizzy_Odin]

This is to good to be true KM BB cpt is crying abot other nation BBs and KM BB are biggest AI damage (brainless) in game - i bet your secondary will deal more damage than HE shell from Conqueror and you secondary will fast kill some poor DD while running from your secondary on 12km..  

 

I'am also for raised citadel as you should be punished for going broadside ..

[ghostbuster_]

1 hour ago, 22cm said:

And who has citadels anymore these days? Only the cruisers and Yamato as compensation for the trolpen guns.

Yes all tier X BBs exept yamato are noob-proof. but at least you can still hit their citadels. but RN BBs, no matter from what distance you shoot them, you just cant hit any citadels.

[Aschwell]

6 minutes ago, ghostbuster_ said:

Yes all tier X BBs exept yamato are noob-proof. but at least you can still hit their citadels. but RN BBs, no matter from what distance you shoot them, you just cant hit any citadels.

My teammate did it yesterday, one citadel on Monq. I told him to go and buy the lottery.

[1MajorKoenig]

2 hours ago, iJoby said:

This obviously means you should get one *Edited

Give your comments some intelligent content, and debate like a human if possible.

The forum is here to voice our concerns, questions and find the right answers, not rant like and insult like you have shown many times.

*Edited

 

*Edited

 

If you don't see that this line (and 2-3 ships in particular) is not helpful for the overall game I can't help you.

 

*Edited

[Aschwell]

5 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Do I look like I give a damn about your opinion?

 

If you don't see that this line (and 2-3 ships in particular) is not helpful for the overall game I can't help you.

 

EDIT: and I am not going to argue with you on your childish opening comments 

No, some people don´t actually see the problem in these ships. They should infact apply for a job at WG they would have good chance getting it.

[1MajorKoenig]

Just now, Aschwell said:

No, some people don´t actually see the problem in these ships. They should infact apply for a job at WG they would have good chance getting it.

 

Wait... are you suggesting the people who don't see the problem should apply...?

 

Wouldn't we them end up exactly where we are now...?

[22cm]

I am mainly a cruiser-destroyer player but I enjoy playing UK BBs because of the irony.

BBabies used to complain about CRUISERS burning them to death so stealth fire was removed, demolition expert was nerfed, fire prevention was buffed, and so on, and now, the irony, there are BBs burning them. And of course the cry again.

Dont get me started on what they did to torps because of the BBabies crying.

[Aschwell]

3 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Wait... are you suggesting the people who don't see the problem should apply...?

 

Wouldn't we them end up exactly where we are now...?

I was sarcastic mate  U Germanz needz to learn to read between Ze linez