IFHE for Phoenix?

[Messias]

Hello lads and ladies,

 

I was wondering if the IFHE skill is useful for the Phoenix. I know that with this skill your HE has more penetration, but if I check the ships it will battle against (Tier 3 -5) there is hardly a ship I can't penetrate without it, or can penetrate with the skill that I couldn't penetrate otherwise. Only few ships that have 25 mm armor somewhere , which I can't penetrate without the skill but with the skill I can. In other words, there are only a few ships that have at some spots 25 mm armor, so for me it looks like a bit useless to have it on the Phoenix. I don't want to loose 3% fire chance to have an occasional penetration against certain ships. 

 

Or do I miss something and is IFHE still a useful skill?

[Azalgor]

You dont really need it on any US ships, rather go for AA and stealth.

[Messias]

sorry for me being daft, but why not on US ships? 

 

[Spellfire40]

It does ups your pens damage on most 150mm cruisers. and steath isnt a huge isue at the map size at T4

[Azalgor]

only ship you can put it is cleveland, then you get 203 guns that dont really need ifhe, so if further retraining doesnt bother you you can put it on, but if you wish to continue progressing the line with the same captain go without it

[Commander_Cornflakes]

IFHE is a good skill if you want to take your captain up to Cleveland (not higher, Pensacola and others don't need it).

[aboomination]

3 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

It does ups your pens damage on most 150mm cruisers. and steath isnt a huge isue at the map size at T4

No, it ups HE's pen value, not HE pen's dmg.

[Leo_Apollo11]

HI all,

 

11 minutes ago, Azalgor said:

You dont really need it on any US ships, rather go for AA and stealth.

 

The "Cleveland" strongly disagrees (and you can have both IFHE and Concealment)...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Spellfire40]

Just now, aboomination said:

No, it ups HE's pen value, not HE pen's dmg.

A shell that shatters do no damage so it ups the pen damage especally since most low tir BBs arent that hard armored in the areas you usally hit...im talking about the ability to acually get a damgeing hit not the raw damage a shell petential could do

[aboomination]

Just now, Spellfire40 said:

A shell that shatters do no damage so it ups the pen damage especally since most low tir BBs arent that hard armored in the areas you usally hit...im talking about the ability to acually get a damgeing hit not the raw damage a shell petential could do

A shell that shattered didn't penetrate...

[Messias]

Ah thanks. Captain stays on Phoenix, I already have a good captain on Cleaver, with the skill. :) The thing is that the crucial armor thickness of 25mm is not that widespread in tier 3-5. Or does the skill also reduce the chance to shatter on armore thinner than 25 mm?

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, Messias said:

Or does the skill also reduce the chance to shatter on armore thinner than 25 mm?

 

If you pen you pen, it's straight up math. IFHE just adds 30% to the penetration values. 

[Messias]

Ok, than it's more ore less useless on lower tiers.Grr, I have it on my St Louis (t3 US cruiser) , time to respec him. :)

 

Thanks all for your wisdom and time.

[Spellfire40]

42 minutes ago, aboomination said:

A shell that shattered didn't penetrate...

Wich means logical that IFHE do overall more damge thogh geting more pens 

[dasCKD]

2 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Wich means logical that IFHE do overall more damge thogh geting more pens 

 

IFHE on Des Moines. 

[aboomination]

3 minutes ago, Spellfire40 said:

Wich means logical that IFHE do overall more damge thogh geting more pens 

I don't have time for your stupidity...

[jss78]

It's great on Cleveland and Omaha (actually I have Marblehead, but same applies). No reason why not on Phoenix.

 

Ultimately depends on what are your long term plans for the captain -- will you keep him as a mid-tier CL captain, or proceed to the high-tier CA's? What I did was keep one guy in Cleveland+Marblehead, and develop another captain for the CA's.

 

All of you guys saying AA or stealth is better -- you don't really have to choose. My 19-point Cleveland guy has all of DE+IFHE, concealment expert, and AFT.

[Spellfire40]

56 minutes ago, dasCKD said:

 

IFHE on Des Moines. 

The point is were you get past pens barriers by including it. Its overall acepted its usefull for up to 180mm and a huge damage bost for 150ish.

 

59 minutes ago, aboomination said:

I don't have time for your stupidity...

Intersting since yourself get hung up on terminology insetead of looking at the result. On average wich do more damge a 150sh mm CL with or without IFHE? you call the result HE Pens i say it inceases the HE damage done due to less shatter.. We are discibing the same but im stupid because i use another termology? Talk about being narow minded.

[JapLance]

I would say it's simply not necessary in tier 4, as they only meet tier 5s, and BBs at that tier have 19mm plates. And in the case of fighting cruisers, the only armoured part you can't pen is the belt, in which case you should use AP ammo.

[22cm]

It works ok on 15 cm guns.  Regarding Phoenix, it helps pen bridge areas of some battleships, like Kawachi, Myogi, Nassau, and Iron Duke.

[BlackYeti]

4 hours ago, jss78 said:

It's great on Cleveland and Omaha (actually I have Marblehead, but same applies). No reason why not on Phoenix.

 

Because Phoenix faces ships up to tier V which have mostly 19mm armor that 152mm HE penetrates just fine.

 

In short it is a waste of 4 skill points and 3% fire chance.