RN Destroyers

[Praetorias]

Hi,

 

Ok, with the fully fledged British BB and Cruiser tree, I know there is the Pan-A fleet which I have little interest in, when do you think the British Destroyers be out, any rumours of what ships will be in the tree.  Any wishes or desires for this selection?

 

Looking forward to some decent gunships.

 

Regards

 

[Xevious_Red]

If the cambeltown and the gallant are anything to go by they're unlikely to be gunboats. Both those are hybrids, with long range but slow reload torps, useable guns but nothing special.

[Thracen]

single launch system on the gallant is quite the trait for the line. I dread to think what a good player could do in a T10 version. I also relish the thought of a few more of such ships in my port however.

[iJoby]

Tribal Class Destroyers (1936)

HMS Matabele (F26)

[LastButterfly]

Meh. British DDs were so plain, it's hard to find an interesting class. Guess Tribal could be like mildly interesting but... erf. Not even really. It was the RN's attempt at something more unique, and it was so half-hearted they basically went directly back to their boring designs.

Having awesome cruising range and seakeeping is a good thing but it's not really exciting when these are your only strong points...

[Aotearas]

2 hours ago, Xevious_Red said:

If the cambeltown and the gallant are anything to go by they're unlikely to be gunboats. Both those are hybrids, with long range but slow reload torps, useable guns but nothing special.

 

Pretty sure the RN has enough designs to fill at least two full DD lines.

[lafeel]

13 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

 

Pretty sure the RN has enough designs to fill at least two full DD lines.

Yes and no. Sure they have plenty of classes of destroyers, but they do tend to be somewhat samey.

 

A whole lot of 4X120mm guns+ 8X533mm torpedo tubes (two quad sets) ones in there.

[Aotearas]

14 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Yes and no. Sure they have plenty of classes of destroyers, but they do tend to be somewhat samey.

 

A whole lot of 4X120mm guns+ 8X533mm torpedo tubes (two quad sets) ones in there.

 

Tribal class looks like tier VII material at least, then the J-/K- class at tier VIII, L-/M- class at tier IX and possibly the Later Battle class as the tier X for a gunboat'y line, doubt there'd be many problems finding stuff for tier VI and lower.

And those samey other ships might fill an entire line of torpedoboats depending on how WG tweaks around the performance stats of the torpedoes and concealment.

 

I never delved deep into the RN DD archives though. There must be a topic floating around form someone who knew a lot more and actually compiled several lines of DDs complete with speculative ingame stats, but I fear that one has gone to the void (was a good while back and I can't seem to find it again).

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, Aotearas said:

 

Tribal class looks like tier VII material at least, then the J-/K- class at tier VIII, L-/M- class at tier IX and possibly the Later Battle class as the tier X for a gunboat'y line, doubt there'd be many problems finding stuff for tier VI and lower.

And those samey other ships might fill an entire line of torpedoboats depending on how WG tweaks around the performance stats of the torpedoes and concealment.

 

I never delved deep into the RN DD archives though. There must be a topic floating around form someone who knew a lot more and actually compiled several lines of DDs complete with speculative ingame stats, but I fear that one has gone to the void (was a good while back and I can't seem to find it again).

1943 Battle nothing, Daring class as the tier 10 or gtfo.

[LastButterfly]

19 minutes ago, lafeel said:

1943 Battle nothing, Daring class as the tier 10 or gtfo.

 

Well I guess it's gtfo then.

[Aotearas]

34 minutes ago, lafeel said:

1943 Battle nothing, Daring class as the tier 10 or gtfo.

 

30 knots at tier X? You sure about that?

[Carnivore81]

36 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

 

30 knots at tier X? You sure about that?

Yeah but their AP will do 5500 dmg ,69 % Fire Chance  (yeah  on AP) and  75degree Autobounce angle 

[Nechrom]

I'm a bit hesitant about the RN DD guns to be honest.

The 4.7"/50 looks like the only decent one. A bit low muzzle velocity but a really heavy shell for the caliber, which keeps the ballistics okay at medium to long range.

But those others...

The 4.7"/45 we already have on the Gallant and they're pretty bad. Muzzle velocity is barely okay, but the shells are way too light. At anything but really close range the ballistics are awful.

Then we have the 4"/45 which we have a bunch of in-game already mainly as secondaries, but also on the Black Swan as main guns. Way too low muzzle velocity for such light shells. The IJN 10cm/65 gets away with such light shells due only to insanely high muzzle velocity. You can't have 16kg rounds leaving the gun at 811 m/s.

[RAHJAILARI]

Though, as mainly IJN player I am rather unlikely to get many RN DD's, I will definitely try them out and I would like to see them in the game too. They have adequate variety of types to fill at least 2 trees for sure...

 

Perhaps they will have a kinda Semi-Hybridish-Torp-Boatish line (SHTB) and a gunboat or destroyer flotilla leader line then?

 

On the other hand, I would also like to see a second US DD line too, USN definitely had the numbers to justify that though I have no idea how that would be accomplished so that they would actually be slightly different from the existing ones and not just clones. Maybe Escort DD's or some such (good stealth, relatively weak, but guns with hydro)?

[Culiacan_Mexico]

8 hours ago, Praetorias said:

...Any wishes or desires for this selection?...

 

I would prefer they did not go live until French and Russian BB goes live.

[RAHJAILARI]

41 minutes ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

I would prefer they did not go live until French and Russian BB goes live.

Ohmy. What a horrible thing to say...

 

I favor a more balanced approach. It would be better to release something else for a change so that those of us, who are not fixated on BB's get something interesting to play with also. So 1 BB line per year is quite enough, save the next one for later...

[GhostRiderMax123]

7 hours ago, LastButterfly said:

Meh. British DDs were so plain, it's hard to find an interesting class. Guess Tribal could be like mildly interesting but... erf. Not even really. It was the RN's attempt at something more unique, and it was so half-hearted they basically went directly back to their boring designs.

Having awesome cruising range and seakeeping is a good thing but it's not really exciting when these are your only strong points...

 

That has more to do with what the role of a destroyer was in the RN. 

[creamgravy]

RN destroyers are currently not in production 

 

But we have 5-6 already (not including Blys) and there's enough material for 3 full lines with lots of variety and hardly any paper. 

 

7 hours ago, lafeel said:

Yes and no. Sure they have plenty of classes of destroyers, but they do tend to be somewhat samey.

 

A whole lot of 4X120mm guns+ 8X533mm torpedo tubes (two quad sets) ones in there.

 

Only tier 6-7, no different any other destroyer line.

 

6 hours ago, Aotearas said:

 

 then the J-/K- class at tier VIII, L-/M- class at tier IX

 

Gadjah Madah (N-Class) is tier 7 (to accommodate Benson/Fletcher/Gearing progression) and looks very overpowered. L/M is tier 7, maybe 8.

 

6 hours ago, Aotearas said:

 

30 knots at tier X? You sure about that?

 

That's deep load, Daring will be 35 knots in game. Most will follow the same trait as Gallant, high agility with decent speed but lacks top end uummph.

 

5 hours ago, Nechrom said:

I'm a bit hesitant about the RN DD guns to be honest.

The 4.7"/45 we already have on the Gallant and they're pretty bad. Muzzle velocity is barely okay, but the shells are way too light. At anything but really close range the ballistics are awful.

Then we have the 4"/45 which we have a bunch of in-game already mainly as secondaries, but also on the Black Swan as main guns. Way too low muzzle velocity for such light shells. The IJN 10cm/65 gets away with such light shells due only to insanely high muzzle velocity. You can't have 16kg rounds leaving the gun at 811 m/s.

 

Huh? Gallant guns are great and the 4"/45 guns have excellent arcs.

Spoiler

 

[RAHJAILARI]

I just hope they will be decent, solid, ordinary good ole-fashioned DD's and not the gimmicky ones WG has bee spewing out for British ships and Pan-Asians so far. Fingers crossed and knock on wood there...

[philjd]

5 hours ago, Carnivore81 said:

Yeah but their AP will do 5500 dmg ,69 % Fire Chance  (yeah  on AP) and  75degree Autobounce angle 

Is it safe to assume that they get a choice of AP/HE and not just SAP like the cruisers... ?

[RAHJAILARI]

It might be a SAP with 80% fire chance...

[philjd]

Just now, RAHJAILARI said:

It might be a SAP with 80% fire chance...

That would be nice on the cruisers :)

[Ferry_25]

Hmmm. I'm very much in doubt about my timing. Still my soul is aching for one of the most obvious questions.

 

OK, I'll take my chances: will they be able to shoot torpedo's?

Seems like a very dumb question. But we're talking about the RN lines here. I can clearly remember how many people said: "how ridiculous! A cruiser which can't fire HE?" That won't be possible. And I'm still recovering from the miracle of the BB's being able to shoot AP. So in that persepctive my question might not be that stupid.....

[LastButterfly]

23 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said:

Hmmm. I'm very much in doubt about my timing. Still my soul is aching for one of the most obvious questions.

 

OK, I'll take my chances: will they be able to shoot torpedo's?

Seems like a very dumb question. But we're talking about the RN lines here. I can clearly remember how many people said: "how ridiculous! A cruiser which can't fire HE?" That won't be possible. And I'm still recovering from the miracle of the BB's being able to shoot AP. So in that persepctive my question might not be that stupid.....

 

If you don't give them what they used for torps what will they have left ? It's not like they had actual guns, and you can't fight by throwing your radar onto the enemy.

[RAHJAILARI]

Not so sure about that but Gallant and Campbeltown do, so there is certainly some possibility of that.happening.