To many invissible ships

[marc_be]

Where is the fun the last time if you always shoot against invisible enemies? Half of the game you don't see any ship and then there are sometimes 5 ships who can attack you.When you see a ship and you shoot on them they are invisible before your bullets are on them,result you don't see where you hit them.This is for all ships even the big BB's.In the beginning you have only DD's into the smoke but now all types of ships. i don't know of the enemie can see me while i don't see them,but i know that they hit me and i can't see from where they shoot.Is it  just me or have others the same problem?

[juanxmar]

Smells like bait, a lot...

Looks at stats, yep, either bait or something.

[elblancogringo]

I suppose you are new in the game, or only played against bots until now.

Each ship has a concealment statistic which makes her visible up to a certain distance only. If this ship fires, it automatically change the detection distance to the max range of the gun.

Regarding smoke, there will be very soon a modification of the mechanic, making ships inside smoke visible when they shoot, with the detection distance depending on the calibre of the gun.

This detection mechanic can be hard to understand for very new players, but I am sure you will understand quickly by playing the game.

[eliastion]

20 minutes ago, juanxmar said:

Smells like bait, a lot...

Looks at stats, yep, either bait or something.

Actually, stats imply this not being a bait...

 

28 minutes ago, marc_be said:

(...)Is it  just me or have others the same problem?

No, it's not just you, many less skilled players have similar problems with understanding (let alone using to their advantage) the spotting mechanics of the game. Long story short:

 - ships have varying concealment. Ships with worse concealment are seen from further away (the exact actual value of your concealment can be checked in port or by pressing and holding H during battle; it's also shown on the minimap - perhaps it needs to be toggled in the minimap settings, I'm not sure atm; if it needs to be turned on, I certainly advise to do just that, it's a very useful information especially for DDs and other ships with decent concealment)

 - ships' concealment jumps to their shooting radious for 20 seconds* after firing their guns but...

 - smoke blocks line of sight (WG messes around with how that works right now, with smoke no longer being completely sight obstructing while ships fire, but if there are no enemies nearby, it still kinda works like that)

 - if one ship sees some other ship ALL his teammates within drawing radius (there are no ships that could shoot outside drawing radius outside of cyclone) see the target ship. That's why it's possible that enemies can see you and shoot at you while you can't see them - it means that something blocks your line of sight to them BUT there is some other ship (possibly a stealthy destroyer) that spots you for them

 

*note that BB guns tend to have longer cooldown than 20 seconds, so these ships can fall out of view in open water between every two shots of theirs, even when firing as quickly as they can - if there's nothing spotting them within their normal concealment range, they'll always disappear after 20 seconds from their last salvo (when their shooting penalty wears off and they return to the normal value).

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Hasnt stealth firing been removed? Have I missed something?!? :)

[lameoll]

just talking about that legendery BB concealment

[Deckeru_Maiku]

46 minutes ago, marc_be said:

Is it  just me or have others the same problem?

 

I guess all the BBs around your ship have the same problem.

 

There is an easy solution though: you just have to uses the WASD keys to move your ship closer to the position where the enemy ships start. Sooner or later you will see lots of ships then.

[LordMeru]

45 minutes ago, marc_be said:

Where is the fun the last time if you always shoot against invisible enemies? Half of the game you don't see any ship and then there are sometimes 5 ships who can attack you.When you see a ship and you shoot on them they are invisible before your bullets are on them,result you don't see where you hit them.This is for all ships even the big BB's.In the beginning you have only DD's into the smoke but now all types of ships. i don't know of the enemie can see me while i don't see them,but i know that they hit me and i can't see from where they shoot.Is it  just me or have others the same problem?

Disinstall the game and don't bother us again

[MacFergus]

20 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

Hasnt stealth firing been removed? Have I missed something?!? :)

 

Should never have been removed broke the game balance imho.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

Maybe that OP does not use zoom view when aiming? That would make it hard to see distant enemies...

[Dragnorak]

I don't get it. Ive played many many games in my life and one thing has been consitent in that process. I have either read the rules or learned them fast. Are the new generation of snowflakes even incapable of learning now? They literally want everything handed to them in life on a plate or what?

[Aotearas]

Even after stealthfiring was removed ...

 

3 minutes ago, Dragnorak said:

I don't get it. Ive played many many games in my life and one thing has been consitent in that process. I have either read the rules or learned them fast. Are the new generation of snowflakes even incapable of learning now? They literally want everything handed to them in life on a plate or what?

 

I personally blame the absence of manuals. I used to pop in the installation disk and let the installation run its course which could take quite some time back in the days (damn I feel old now ... I mean I still remember floppies ffs) and as that would do its thing, I'd read through the game's manual. By the time the game was installed and I could hop into it for the first time, I already knew the fundamental basics plus whichever tips the developers wrote into the manual.

[juanxmar]

9 minutes ago, Dragnorak said:

I don't get it. Ive played many many games in my life and one thing has been consitent in that process. I have either read the rules or learned them fast. Are the new generation of snowflakes even incapable of learning now? They literally want everything handed to them in life on a plate or what?

 

Yes, yes they do.

[rvfharrier]

1 minute ago, Aotearas said:

Even after stealthfiring was removed ...

 

 

I personally blame the absence of manuals. I used to pop in the installation disk and let the installation run its course which could take quite some time back in the days (damn I feel old now ... I mean I still remember floppies ffs) and as that would do its thing, I'd read through the game's manual. By the time the game was installed and I could hop into it for the first time, I already knew the fundamental basics plus whichever tips the developers wrote into the manual.

 

The downside of those is that they usually had the CD-key on the back of them and as such always got lost. There are some games I literally bought 3 or more copies of because I kept losing the manuals with the CD key, even though the discs never went missing.

[Aotearas]

Just now, rvfharrier said:

 

The downside of those is that they usually had the CD-key on the back of them and as such always got lost. There are some games I literally bought 3 or more copies of because I kept losing the manuals with the CD key, even though the discs never went missing.

 

Still less frustrating DRM than SecuROM ...

[Gnomus]

2 hours ago, lameoll said:

just talking about that legendery BB concealment

 

This ^^^

 

Some BB's have only 11-12km spotting range and 30s reload while only 20s camo loss on shooting. They are constantly "dropping out of view" when fight is happening in 14-16km. It can be annoying sometimes.

 

It would be better to have camo loss for 1.5 to 2.0 times ships reload. If player wishes to shoot constantly he would be in constant spot. If he wishes to drop out of sight he would need to fire for some time. Not current "here I am, not any more, here I am, not anymore...."

[Xevious_Red]

1 hour ago, Dragnorak said:

I don't get it. Ive played many many games in my life and one thing has been consitent in that process. I have either read the rules or learned them fast. Are the new generation of snowflakes even incapable of learning now? They literally want everything handed to them in life on a plate or what?

Try playing any of the call of duty games on easy on single player.

 

You literally walk forward taking virtually no damage. The game snaps to target so you only vaguely have to point in the right direction to shoot enemies. They die to one bullet even if it clips their foot, while your charcter is essentially invunerable.

Then a cut scene happens where some stuff blows up and you get told you're such a bad [edited]who totally saved the world.

 

They then take this level of expectation (doing many kills, not dying, being told they're a bad [edited]), and the level of being spoon fed it, and expect that to happen in a multiplayer game.

 

Because what they really want is to not really have to do anything, survive, and get lots of kills.

[Major_Damage225]

 

Then reality says hello and people get upset because no more godmode rambo. 

[EsaTuunanen]

2 hours ago, Aotearas said:

I personally blame the absence of manuals. I used to pop in the installation disk and let the installation run its course which could take quite some time back in the days (damn I feel old now ... I mean I still remember floppies ffs) and as that would do its thing, I'd read through the game's manual. By the time the game was installed and I could hop into it for the first time, I already knew the fundamental basics plus whichever tips the developers wrote into the manual.

At that time you also needed to have functional brains to get game started.

Though Windows 3.1 was actually clearer in its UI than current fashion Wintoysphone OS.

 

1 hour ago, Xevious_Red said:

Try playing any of the call of duty games on easy on single player.

 

You literally walk forward taking virtually no damage. The game snaps to target so you only vaguely have to point in the right direction to shoot enemies.

Has that spread also to PC version?

When Crytek's dumbed down to fit into consoles Crysis 2 was in demo stage console players were whining that it didn't come with auto aim...

[marc_be]

Thanks to all who answerred. I play to long with cruisers with short range and now i play with BB's i have this problem because playing mostly long range.

[ColonelPete]

32 minutes ago, marc_be said:

Thanks to all who answerred. I play to long with cruisers with short range and now i play with BB's i have this problem because playing mostly long range.

Then I suggest to get closer and do your job. Your armor is not supposed to stay shiny!

[walter3kurtz]

Another thread filled with vitriol

 

Some of you people need to grow the [edited] up and realize that some people are new, possibly 60+ years or only 12, some are just bad. This is an official forum and people will come here with basic stuff. Deal with ti.

[Kenliero]

34 minutes ago, walter3kurtz said:

Another thread filled with vitriol

 

Some of you people need to grow the [edited] up and realize that some people are new, possibly 60+ years or only 12, some are just bad. This is an official forum and people will come here with basic stuff. Deal with ti.

And you need to wake up and realize that after 2230 battles he is not new, old, colorful, religious, young or any other similar convenient excuse. He is just plain slow. This is not bashing. This is a fact. I mean how can you not see in 2230 battles that there is concealment mechanic in place? You'd have to use some serious hallusogenic drugs or something to think that all that blinking just happened for no reason at all.... 2230 IS A LOT.

[Mikeldj]

invisible ship ... ???

but just so lol ...i play a lot of DD and we are not invisible anymore.... HYDRO have ruin this game more the every other stupid things implemented .... you can be at 11 km or in smoke...you're visible  for minutes... 2  guys with hydro in ennemy team and nothing can be done, you're visible all the time !

[Culiacan_Mexico]

Hydro on cruisers is ok, I would just like to see land mass block it.  I don't think it should have been put on DDs or BBs, but it is done.