Deepwater Torps?????????????

[HardTarget_UK]

Just been taken out twice on almost full health in a tier 8 BB with the new GZ test CV using something called Deepwater torps can wargaming confirm is this how you fix a problem by creating another???? You have no chance against this carrier with the Deepwater setup and the torp pattern. There is no escape, you can not even see the dam torps. The first time I thought it was just down to me, but twice within 4 games!! I dont really use the forums, but this is a joke and needs looking at. Sorry for the rant, but if its stays like this I might seriously think about playing another game........Rant over!

[Miessa3]

6 minutes ago, HardTarget_UK said:

Just been taken out twice on almost full health in a tier 8 BB with the new GZ test CV using something called Deepwater torps can wargaming confirm is this how you fix a problem by creating another???? You have no chance against this carrier with the Deepwater setup and the torp pattern. There is no escape, you can not even see the dam torps. The first time I thought it was just down to me, but twice within 4 games!! I dont really use the forums, but this is a joke and needs looking at. Sorry for the rant, but if its stays like this I might seriously think about playing another game........Rant over!

You sir are part of the problem (BB overpopulation). Not because you play BB. But because you refuse to learn.

The only option that come to your mind is quit the game? really?

How about:

- Asking friendly CV for cover? (i know unlikely because he has most likley other problems as well but asking won't hurt)

-not going alone and isolated to be a easy target for GZ. (you know just sailing near to a AA heavy cruiser like Baltimore saves you from 50% of the damage. And it isn't just limited to cruisers. Staying with the mainfleet will do for most of the damage anyways.)

- Thinking of the CV. What you demand here is effectively reducing the damage output of the Cv to 0. (For you to process what i mean: that is like taking away ALL but maybe 1 guns from your BB resulting in you doing no damage)

-try playing CV yourself (you think CV is OP? just try it yourself and see what is behind your BB view of things. When he striked you with all his planes he is effectively out of the game for the next 3 to 4 minutes)

- Relax, take a good breath and try to follow above hints. Good music helps me relax too maybe it works for you as well? Try this one:

 

[Boris_MNE]

If anything, I will buy GZ to see BBs crying like this

Wargaming learnt them to think that they are OP cruisers.  No no, you do not have DF :D

[HardTarget_UK]

Thanks for your obvious points on how to play the game, but I think I have a good idea on what to do and what not to do. This has never happened to me like this ever. Then for it to happen twice in under four games by the same CV and using the Deeptorps, nah! Something is not right sorry!  I didnt even know what had happened until other team members told me.  This CV has gone from being a useless to being impossible to play against in a BB.

[Exocet6951]

Deepwater torps is just a buzzword, and serve no purpose on CVs, where you can actually SEE the planes drop the torpedoes. The DW torps' visibility advantage has no bearing on CVs.
Also, well done on being taken out by the weakest tier8 CV with the weakest planes with the worst drop pattern.
 

[Miessa3]

8 minutes ago, HardTarget_UK said:

Thanks for your obvious points on how to play the game, but I think I have a good idea on what to do and what not to do. This has never happened to me like this ever. Then for it to happen twice in under four games by the same CV and using the Deeptorps, nah! Something is not right sorry!  I didnt even know what had happened until other team members told me.  This CV has gone from being a useless to being impossible to play against in a BB.

The whole point of these Torpedos (ineffective as they may be yet on pan-asian DDs) is to reintroduce an effective counter to camping BBs.

So yes it should make BB live harder. Still got a problem with that? I agree though that doing it on a premium CV is way less than optimal.

 

5 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

Deepwater torps is just a buzzword, and serve no purpose on CVs, where you can actually SEE the planes drop the torpedoes. The DW torps' visibility advantage has no bearing on CVs.
Also, well done on being taken out by the weakest tier8 CV with the weakest planes with the worst drop pattern.
 

 

Actually it is not just a buzzword as these torpedos (as far as i know) ignore most of the armourbelts (because going deep) so visability is not the only concern here.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

He is right, no matter how you put it.

WG always fixes a  problem by creating another one. Deep water torps ARE NOT the solution to current heavy BB population.

 

 

 

[Miessa3]

1 minute ago, nambr9 said:

He is right, no matter how many you put it.

 

WG always fixes a the problem by creating another one. Deep water torps ARE NOT the solution to current heavy BB population.

 

Yes not in their current form.

But at least it is a step in the right direction. (which means a lot when talking about WG)

[RenamedUser_92906789]

1 minute ago, Miessa3 said:

Yes not in their current form.

But at least it is a step in the right direction. (which means a lot when talking about WG)

 

Deep water torps are being implemented to counter passive BB play.

Yes It is a problem well known, BUT

 

I have a feeling that RN cruisers will suffer the most from their implementation (not to mention the smoke nerf).

[Exocet6951]

4 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

 

 

Actually it is not just a buzzword as these torpedos (as far as i know) ignore most of the armourbelts (because going deep) so visability is not the only concern here.

 

Even if they did (and that's not a given, as torpedo bulges warp around most of the depth of the protected ships), you're blaming a torpedo for wrecking the game, when it still does around 7-8k damage on a hit, and that the single defining feature of DW torps, their visibility) has no relevance when being airdropped?

 

How about OP stops being a baby.
DW torps on a CV changes nothing.

[Miessa3]

19 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

 

Deep water torps are being implemented to counter passive BB play.

Yes It is a problem well known, BUT

 

I have a feeling that RN cruisers will suffer the most from their implementation (not to mention the smoke nerf).

That is true tho. RN Cruisers really shouldn't be punished by this.

 

18 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

Even if they did (and that's not a given, as torpedo bulges warp around most of the depth of the protected ships), you're blaming a torpedo for wrecking the game, when it still does around 7-8k damage on a hit, and that the single defining feature of DW torps, their visibility) has no relevance when being airdropped?

 

How about OP stops being a baby.
DW torps on a CV changes nothing.

Well you are right if they indeed don't bypass torpedobulk by default. Slapping them on a CV would be useless then but is WG really that stupid to do so? ...... oh darn......

[Exocet6951]

2 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

 

Well you are right if they indeed don't bypass torpedobulk by default. Slapping them on a CV would be useless then but is WG really that stupid to do so? ...... oh darn......

 

Yes, it's completely pointless to put them on a CV.

The entire purpose of DW torps is to be spotted later.
Putting them on planes ruins the element of surprise.

So OP's whine about DW torpedoes on the GZ is unfounded. Any CV would have hit him. He's getting upset at the wrong thing, which is his ability to be cross dropped by a very poor CV.
OP needs a massive reality check: if he managed to be taken out in a single strike by a GZ multiple times, he's playing very poorly.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

4 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

So OP's whine about DW torpedoes on the GZ is unfounded. Any CV would have hit him. He's getting upset at the wrong thing, which is his ability to be cross dropped by a very poor CV.
OP needs a massive reality check: if he managed to be taken out in a single strike by a GZ multiple times, he's playing very poorly.

 

Still ... the torps are a bad idea.

Why did they nerf IJN torp detectability if we get super stealth torps a year after.

OK, so they dont effect DDs (yet). Im eager to hear about how HYDRO detects them ... any info?

[Miessa3]

1 minute ago, nambr9 said:

 

Still ... the torps are a bad idea.

Why did they nerf IJN torp detectability if we get super stealth torps a year after.

OK, so they dont effect DDs (yet). Im eager to hear about how HYDRO detects them ... any info?

I'd take a wild guess and say HAS detects them just like normal torpedos which would make sense to reinforce the cruiserrole (well as long as you don't look at german BBs )

[Hybria]

The only "purpose" of DW torps on GZ is to "save DDs".

For GZ it is a straight up nerf - you cant do anything against DDs.

 

To compensate you get the ability to oneshot BBs sailing alone while not being AA specced.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

4 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

I'd take a wild guess and say HAS detects them just like normal torpedos which would make sense to reinforce the cruiserrole (well as long as you don't look at german BBs )

 

Exactly.

IF haydro detects them just as normal torpedoes, many of captains currently running DEF AA on their cruisers would switch to HYDRO.

And that (probably in WG plan) would "FIX" the carriers, as they would not face so many AA ships  

 

As for the German battleships ... well ... lucky them :D

[Guillotine]

Havent eaten a single deep water torp yet, but i have been fired upon by pan asian DDs. They seem slowish torpedo compared to IJN ones, not much but still. Thank god Große Kürfurst has hydro.

 

If you paddle in straight line and eat torpedoes just look into a mirror, air strikes can be made harder and by focusing your AA. Ask your CV for cover, yes i know most of CV population is quite "special".

[AnotherDuck]

2 hours ago, Miessa3 said:

RN Cruisers really shouldn't be punished by this.

 

Just certain premium ones. They should be punished with everything anyone can throw at them.

[Prospect_b]

6 hours ago, HardTarget_UK said:

You have no chance against this carrier with the Deepwater setup and the torp pattern.

(if only it were true )

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

I am a guy who enjoy the same all classes (except, cough, cv.s ) - I have almost same ratio on ca and bb.s, dd not far from that also.

What I want to mention, for those who constant drop here the CNN fake news style " current heavy BB population. " - from what I see on my daily games, in fact, its this:

(Are enough games at tier 7-8 where I pray to see more bbs ! ) ;

Games like this where effectively you can "walk on torps" are more and more common, and I will not talk about the games with 4 cvs and some 100 planes 24/7 over those tinny maps....

 

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[Prospect_b]

8 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I am a guy who enjoy the same all classes (except, cough, cv.s ) - I have almost same ratio on ca and bb.s, dd not far from that also.

What I want to mention, for those who constant drop here the CNN fake news style " current heavy BB population. " - from what I see on my daily games, in fact, its this:

(Are enough games at tier 7-8 where I pray to see more bbs ! ) ;

Games like this where effectively you can "walk on torps" are more and more common, and I will not talk about the games with 4 cvs and some 100 planes 24/7 over those tinny maps....

 

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and 5+5 is 10... still bigger than 9, true?

[Miessa3]

12 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I am a guy who enjoy the same all classes (except, cough, cv.s ) - I have almost same ratio on ca and bb.s, dd not far from that also.

What I want to mention, for those who constant drop here the CNN fake news style " current heavy BB population. " - from what I see on my daily games, in fact, its this:

(Are enough games at tier 7-8 where I pray to see more bbs ! ) ;

Games like this where effectively you can "walk on torps" are more and more common, and I will not talk about the games with 4 cvs and some 100 planes 24/7 over those tinny maps....

 

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aha yes tell me more.....

inb4 you get queues like THIS:

Spoiler

 

[Jethro_Grey]

I can confirm that DW torps are deadly vs BBs.

 

My first game in the GZ with DW torps netted me two BB kills and two reports by very very salty BB drivers.

 

I'd like to see a mixed loadout for the GZ, 2 Torpbomber squads with DW torps and 1 DB squad to nuke those pesky DDs or a three standard TBs and a less deadly drop pattern. 

And more survivable planes, i hate losing my TVIIIplanes to TVI DD AA.

 

In regards to BB overpopulation: either start playing cruisers and DDs to remove the overpopulation the natural way or stop playing them like effin chicken and tank some damage, the cruisers on your team will be grateful.

[Allied_Winter]

33 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I am a guy who enjoy the same all classes (except, cough, cv.s ) - I have almost same ratio on ca and bb.s, dd not far from that also.

What I want to mention, for those who constant drop here the CNN fake news style " current heavy BB population. " - from what I see on my daily games, in fact, its this:

(Are enough games at tier 7-8 where I pray to see more bbs ! ) ;

Games like this where effectively you can "walk on torps" are more and more common, and I will not talk about the games with 4 cvs and some 100 planes 24/7 over those tinny maps....

 

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Wait a Minute? You choose a game with 9 DDs in total on the map, to question BB overpopulation. Yet there are 10 BBs in this game? If so, this screenshot representes accurately an under population of cruisers....

 

 

Greetings

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

On my team I was the only cruiser, so yeah, you could look at the problem also like that - thing is, bbs are not the only class to over-populate games, next to are dds ... And I do agree with you, cruisers, sadly, are not too many..

Putting too many dds in a MM (9 or 10) can ruin the game for any other class faster then having too many bbs - I hope you agree. On the same note, I found the WORST games, by far, the ones with 4 cvs, on mid-high tiers, especially when you get up-tiered by a factor of 2 (tier VII cruiser vs a pair of tier IX cvs) - where even my better then average AAA build can do sh... vs waves and waves of planes. Try to hide near an tier IX guy ? no difference, lower tiers are always first target of those guys...

When the bad luck put you on that team where your cvs are potatoes and the red ones are pro, things get from ugly to disaster in a couple of minutes... usually, in 6-8 min its end game...

I suppose the root of all this problems are the relatively low numbers of players (bad WG do not improve the game more to attract AND maintain more players ) who, in final, will force the devs to sacrifice the balance for queue times...