rant ( my first ever tier10 ) what the ... is this ?

[wot_chikor]

Hi everyone .

after so long and throught blood , sweat and tears ( and since i dont have prem ships but only prem account  ) i managed today after selling Yugomo to buy Shimakaze , yes i grind 10 millions with just normal ships ..... . and i soooo wish i didnt ...because the situation that i am in is just hopeless .

first of all the cost : i know you must make money WG , but sorry the system is unfair , you call this free to play game and yet its impossible for me to buy any equipments and be competetive while playing a top tier . an the service i paied after losing first game was 85k with prem account and with flags  . thats so legit ...

then another problem , i noticed while playing game after game that i am doing NOTHING , the ship is utter trash because you gave it stock torpedos that are absolutly F0CKING trash , and in order to get decent ones i have to play games 60k worh of xp , with no equipemtns and with half commander trained .

last : the guns and stealth on this is worse than tier9 and tier8 IJN DDs  ... and lower DDs cold launch 16 torps in 8s using insta torpedo load tool , so they are better torpedo boats than the tier10 .

i was so happy whne i got today and now you know how i feel WG ? i feel CHEATED , i feel disgusted . i have lost intrest in the game . 

and you may say : eh its just one whiny noob gone who cares .  but remember  lots of your players are people like me . piss enought of them and your  game will end up just liek world of warplanes ended up .

and for those of you guys who always helped me by tips and advice in some of my previous topics in forum , i would listen for any suggestions , maybe i am wrong or i missed something , maybe you can give me advice to how solve this situation and keep playing the game n becasue i realy like it , not i want to stop playing , but this jackass of a system made me want to . 

thanks .

PS : i saw WoWs anniversery video on youtube and i noticed that every single developer is russian so i can tell this topic is a waste of time and they won't read it  ( even if they read forum topics i dont think they read english topics ) 

[blanc091]

Don't overreact. Shima is a decent ship actually. I grinded the whole line without premium and I don't feel "lied to" when I got to (any of my) tier X. If you want the captain retrained quick, 4-5 euros for insta-retrain ain't that much really..

[WeGreedy]

16 minutes ago, blanc091 said:

[...]If you want the captain retrained quick, 4-5 euros for insta-retrain ain't that much really..

Even less, rather 2 Euro. ;)

[wot_chikor]

Just now, blanc091 said:

Don't overreact. Shima is a decent ship actually. I grinded the whole line without premium and I don't feel "lied to" when I got to (any of my) tier X. If you want the captain retrained quick, 4-5 euros for insta-retrain ain't that much really..

my friend , after i got the ship today i had 400k credits left , i played 4 games lost 4 of them and now i dont have credits to play the game anymore , i told you this system is hopeless .

also , wherei come from ( Algeria ) we dont use  credit cards , so there is no way i can pay . 

but i could actualy play with half trained captin , but the creits problem and the stock torpedos are what killed it for me . 

 

[elblancogringo]

If you do well ingame, even in t10 you will not lose credits. It is really better than WoT for that. Especially with a premium account like you said.

And if you don't want to pay a premium ship to earn easy credits, then play lower tiers to make money.

It IS a free to play game, but please, understand that Wargaming has to earn some money as well to develop it.

[WeGreedy]

@wot_chikor

You will not make credits at tier ten in the long run without premium/permoflage.

But that is nothing new to be honest.

You will have to play lower tiers to afford playing a tier ten.

[wot_chikor]

6 minutes ago, elblancogringo said:

If you do well ingame, even in t10 you will not lose credits. It is really better than WoT for that. Especially with a premium account like you said.

And if you don't want to pay a premium ship to earn easy credits, then play lower tiers to make money.

It IS a free to play game, but please, understand that Wargaming has to earn some money as well to develop it.

well said , you have a point , but mate , i lost all the games i played in that ship , because i cant afford to grind 6 millions more for equipemtns  , after i grinded 10 millions with low tiers .  and i lost tall games  because i did nothing in the battle e for my team because the i am under powred and also because stock torpedos are complet trash WG use them to force people to pay ,  dont you see anythign wrong with this situation ?

[wot_chikor]

4 minutes ago, SeeteufeI said:

@wot_chikor

You will not make credits at tier ten in the long run without premium/permoflage.

But that is nothing new to be honest.

You will have to play lower tiers to afford playing a tier ten.

in my situation i CAN NEVER play tier10 if they dont fix this system , what if my prem account runs off , in my opinion they should have sai it before : if you dont pay you cant progress ; in that case i wouldnt bother starting to play at all , i am sure lots of other people too . 

[22cm]

Then, play at most tier 7-8. Tiers 9-10 become very expensive, only to fit all the upgrades is already a lot. Now, you know it.

[wot_chikor]

Just now, 22cm said:

Then, play at most tier 7-8. Tiers 9-10 become very expensive, only to fit all the upgrades is already a lot. Now, you know it.

that is the best solution in the history of solutions ^_^

sorry my friend , i am tring to make WG look at the problem and fix it maybe  people can play the game  , you suggested is out of question 

[22cm]

6 minutes ago, wot_chikor said:

i am tring to make WG look at the problem and fix it maybe  people can play the game  , you suggested is out of question 

 

WG already fixed it, so people can pay to play the game at high tiers.

[wot_chikor]

Just now, 22cm said:

 

WG already fixed it, so people can pay to play the game at high tiers.

wel if there is no other way f playing hight tier without paying real money , then i cant and i wont be able to continue playing the gamle untill WG does something about 

[procrastinatingStudent]

1 minute ago, wot_chikor said:

wel if there is no other way f playing hight tier without paying real money , then i cant and i wont be able to continue playing the gamle untill WG does something about 

Well i hate to break the bad news mate but looks like your never going be able to play with only tier tens mate. 

 

Unless you do what people suggest and play some games on a ship you find fun on lower tiers and boom cash in the bank for that TX game.

[Ubertron_X]

I think you made several - understandable - mistakes.

 

You sold a ship you where confident with (Yugumo) for credits in order to obtain the ship you wanted. Fair enough. However even while selling said ship you had neither enough credits nor free XP/elite XP left to a) fully fit it and b) endure the learning curve, module unlock and captain retrain phases. I strongly recommend to only procure a new ship if you can fully fit it and have credits left to endure the inevitable XP / module grind. T10 has its own rules and you *will* have to pay your dues (and not only the metaphorical ones) before you will be able to not lose money, time and nerves.

 

So take your time and play T6/T7 to grind some money and free XP to fully fit the ship before you use it again (if you can wait use discount on equipment specials to do it and only pay half). If you do have premium account and get at least decent battle results at that tiers credits should come in plenty. I have premium account running since I ever started WoWs and never ever have I run into credits trouble (however I do posses quite some premium ships).

 

Also I recommed that you try to save some free XP for a 'free of charge' premium (Nelson = 375k) instead of rushing through the tiers.

[wot_chikor]

1 minute ago, procrastinatingStudent said:

Well i hate to break the bad news mate but looks like your never going be able to play with only tier tens mate. 

 

Unless you do what people suggest and play some games on a ship you find fun on lower tiers and boom cash in the bank for that TX game.

thanks for the advice mate , then probably i will stop playing  and as i sai WG  probbaly does care about someone who doesnt pay gone , because they only care about money , but in long term they will wish to go back and fix thier mistake .... 

[procrastinatingStudent]

Just now, wot_chikor said:

thanks for the advice mate , then probably i will stop playing  and as i sai WG  probbaly does care about someone who doesnt pay gone , because they only care about money , but in long term they will wish to go back and fix thier mistake .... 

I will bet you that shima premium camo they never will.

[Ubertron_X]

Just now, wot_chikor said:

thanks for the advice mate , then probably i will stop playing  and as i sai WG  probbaly does care about someone who doesnt pay gone , because they only care about money , but in long term they will wish to go back and fix thier mistake .... 

 

Don't do this while you are still enraged. Sleep over it and then decide.

 

A word of wisdom though: WoWs is no race. T10 is not some final goal to be reached in the minimum amount of games possibe. The route is the goal!

 

Just keep this in mind and take your time and things will eventually look much brighter than they may be now. 

 

 

[wot_chikor]

3 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

I think you made several - understandable - mistakes.

 

You sold a ship you where confident with (Yugumo) for credits in order to obtain the ship you wanted. Fair enough. However even while selling said ship you had neither enough credits nor free XP/elite XP left to a) fully fit it and b) endure the learning curve, module unlock and captain retrain phases. I strongly recommend to only procure a new ship if you can fully fit it and have credits left to endure the inevitable XP / module grind. T10 has its own rules and you *will* have to pay your dues (and not only the metaphorical ones) before you will be able to not lose money, time and nerves.

 

So take your time and play T6/T7 to grind some money and free XP to fully fit the ship before you use it again (if you can wait use discount on equipment specials to do it and only pay half). If you do have premium account and get at least decent battle results at that tiers credits should come in plenty. I have premium account running since I ever started WoWs and never ever have I run into credits trouble (however I do posses quite some premium ships).

 

Also I recommed that you try to save some free XP for a 'free of charge' premium (Nelson = 375k) instead of rushing through the tiers.

thanks for the anwser . 

as a world of tanks player i have 31 tier10 tanks in that game , it takes me arroun 1 to 2 months to get a tier10 tanks ( as mush as it took me to get a tier10 ship ) when i ge tthe new tank i play rround 20 - 30 games in a row in the first day , not the case with WOWs , i feel that when i waste such time and efforts i can at least enjoy the ship the first day , but that didnt hapen , after 4 games played 400k credits lost , i can go on anymore , in fact i dont want to go on anymore , why would i ever want to start grindinga new line again ? 

i am sure you agree tha the system is broken and unfair  

[wot_chikor]

9 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

Don't do this while you are still enraged. Sleep over it and then decide.

 

A word of wisdom though: WoWs is no race. T10 is not some final goal to be reached in the minimum amount of games possibe. The route is the goal!

 

Just keep this in mind and take your time and things will eventually look much brighter than they may be now. 

 

 

nd by the way when i say i will stop playing , i dont mean i will not play anymore , its just that i will play less and les  every day  . 

same what happend to me in WOT 4 years ago i got first tier 8 and couldnt gofurther because of the same credits problem , i didnt play for 2 month , untill WG gave us marathon mission for free tier7 prem tank , then i started playign again  up to 60k games , yes 60k games , just because of that marathon mission ^^ ..... , i will probably do the same here , i stop playing but keep watching for news , maybe same miracle happens twice , maybe there will be mission for free tier5 / 6 / 7 

[Highharti]

I'm a pure "silver" player, I don't even have a premium account and I'm close to Kagero now, so I'll run into the same trouble sooner or later. But seriously: if that happens, I'll just start another line. In my opinion, "higher tier" is NOT equal to "more fun". So why get upset about a bad T10 ship? There are so many other lines which are waiting to be explored. There are hundreds of hours of fun ahead.

 

What is the advantage of playing T10 anyway? I've never been there, but I've heard T10 battles are quite static, which is something I certainly wouldn't like.

[Major_Damage225]

Here is a comment from Major noob when it comes to shima. 

 

It's my second ever TX (no1 Yamato duuh) 

Despite me sucking in it (working on it) 

It's not easy to play concidering radar/hydro and basicly being spotted (dont look for a gunfight) , i have to say dont give up on shimmy, it is one hell of a DD (wg do a 0.4 detect on torps reduction!!) 

The fact you can stall a entire flank if the enemy knows your there is pricless, she was a monster in the old days but she can still cause havock today, playing her right you can get some comical dmg downrange, but you have to learn her, shes a tough one but when you get to know her you'll love that tub, i know i love mine. (bought the cammo so credit is no problem) 

[iJoby]

Get the Isokaze out, play that to make credits. at least you will have a decent skilled captain.

 

EDIT:- Better still, I see you play better with the Podvoisky, that should earn you a nice bunch of credits.

[wot_chikor]

Just now, Highharti said:

I'm a pure "silver" player, I don't even have a premium account and I'm close to Kagero now, so I'll run into the same trouble sooner or later. But seriously: if that happens, I'll just start another line. In my opinion, "higher tier" is NOT equal to "more fun". So why get upset about a bad T10 ship? There are so many other lines which are waiting to be explored. There are hundreds of hours of fun ahead.

 

What is the advantage of playing T10 anyway? I've never been there, but I've heard T10 battles are quite static, which is something I certainly wouldn't like.

well of wasting my time an losing 19 million silver i expect to playthe ship not to leave as a wallpaper and look at it 

[Ubertron_X]

19 minutes ago, wot_chikor said:

thanks for the anwser . 

as a world of tanks player i have 31 tier10 tanks in that game , it takes me arroun 1 to 2 months to get a tier10 tanks ( as mush as it took me to get a tier10 ship ) when i ge tthe new tank i play rround 20 - 30 games in a row in the first day , not the case with WOWs , i feel that when i waste such time and efforts i can at least enjoy the ship the first day , but that didnt hapen , after 4 games played 400k credits lost , i can go on anymore , in fact i dont want to go on anymore , why would i ever want to start grindinga new line again ? 

i am sure you agree tha the system is broken and unfair  

 

The system is neither broken nor unfair but it is not especially well explained by the game itself (no tutorial). For starters there is a fixed service fee for every ship/tier, so as soon as you enter battle you have lost money regardless of the damage you receive. Even 0 damage to your ship will require you to pay the full repair fee. The only way to make money is to deal damage, kill enemies, spot for the team and other actions that Wargaming deems worthy to be cashed in credits. If you have them use the flags that reduce service costs (-10%; use only at T9 and T10) as well as the flags that provide additional income (+20%; all ships that you use to grind money as well when you play T9 and T10).

 

Wargaming is a company and needs to make money to get the game going and they do this by selling premium account, premium ships and premium camo, all of which let you grind credits a lot easier (and flags of course, however you can not buy those as single items).

 

You simply ran in a situation where you grinded a (what - considering the current high tier meta - most players would consider only mediocre) line and in addition to that rushed a ship that does desperately needs all extra modules/equipment/100% trained captain to be fully effective without having sufficient ressources to provide that extras.

[wot_chikor]

2 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

Here is a comment from Major noob when it comes to shima. 

 

It's my second ever TX (no1 Yamato duuh) 

Despite me sucking in it (working on it) 

It's not easy to play concidering radar/hydro and basicly being spotted (dont look for a gunfight) , i have to say dont give up on shimmy, it is one hell of a DD (wg do a 0.4 detect on torps reduction!!) 

The fact you can stall a entire flank if the enemy knows your there is pricless, she was a monster in the old days but she can still cause havock today, playing her right you can get some comical dmg downrange, but you have to learn her, shes a tough one but when you get to know her you'll love that tub, i know i love mine. (bought the cammo so credit is no problem) 

you dont get the point o you ? its not that i dont know how to play it , its that i CANT play it at all , if you read what i said again , you will see that i have no equipements in it , an half trained captin and stock tropedos .....