Complete Carrier Guide

[El2aZeR]

Adrenaline Rush does not work with CVs! (at least last I heard)

You're wasting your points if you pick it.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

6 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Adrenaline Rush does not work with CVs! (at least last I heard)

You're wasting your points if you pick it.

Someone tested it, so I guess it does work: https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/111527-60-adrenaline-rush-and-carriers/

(The points are still wasted on it ^^)

[Redcap375]

On 26/09/2017 at 10:12 AM, Farazelleth said:

I've read your 'Complete' guide, it has a number gaps for it really to be called complete but its helpful non the less. Most issues have already been dealt with above by others but I want to touch upon the captain skills. I would recommend if possible, video clips rather than text or picture descriptions on how to perform certain actions. Many carriers focus on bombing but fighter control is as important or higher imho and you have not touched upon Reverse strafes (aka voodoo black magic) or engagement ranges of enemy AA or how to bait fighter strafes into friendly AA for click engagement etc especially helpful if the enemy CV has a better fighter setup.

 

In ranked, Torpedo arm. expertise (TAE) is not as valuable as randoms. At Tier 7 or lower due to the Carrier snipe potential you have to be able to defend yourself with AA, hence this build - Standard IJN Ranked/Competitive Captain Build Tier 8 or higher in theory with Defensive Fire BFT can be dropped for TAE but you have to realize against a good enemy Carrier the number of strikes will be limited to a few or even one attack which reduces the value of TAE, plus the AA values are so high that its better to wait till late game to attack. Also in Competitive most Carriers run 3-1-2 since its more about air control, scouting and sight denial hence TAE further loses its value.

   

I'm also not a fan of your randoms build. Adrenal Rush and concealment on IJN? This seems like a total waste of time, taking AR is dangerous why are you taking damage in the first place? Yes you can bomb yourself to gain benefits of AR but now you are an easy target even with a defensive fire option. Also Concealment on IJN is very dangerous because it reduces your reaction time if spotted by a sneaky Destroyer who flanked. Shokaku at 10.8km Sea detection range is the sweet spot to react and spot whatever else is spotting you. Taking your detection down to 9km or less drastically reduces you ability to survive.

 

I use this instead, Standard IJN Random Captain Build Here we drop AFT for TAE and the last point goes to Priority Target since its the least bad skill for 1point, its actually very handy for knowing not just if you are spotted but if you are targeted (aka time to turn and run)

 

 

Also Propulsion Mod 2..... what? No you take Damage Control Mod 2 (DCM2)! One of the ways to kill off a Carrier is to bleed them with fires and force a damage control party (DCP) so you can flood & fire them a second time. Taking DCM2 reduces the time you are on fire so you can actually allow one fire to burn out rather than DCP and reduce the damage taken.

 

As for Signal Choice, Dive bombers already have such a huge fire potential it may be more beneficial to drop India-Xray and take Sierra Mike for speed. If there is a heavy CV snipe meta take India Yankee instead (reduce fire time) to compliment DCM2.

 

 

 

Not meant to be a negative post only a critical response base upon my own experience. I encourage you to create more content in greater depth!

 

Glad to hear from you m8.

 

I am very surprised you don't have concealment expert on your standard IJN CV build? replacing it for Man AA instead...

 

Not being spotted is paramount in CV's as we all know what happens if you are? reason you don't, i'm curious and for Manuel aa 

[pra3y]

8 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Glad to hear from you m8.

 

I am very surprised you don't have concealment expert on your standard IJN CV build? replacing it for Man AA instead...

 

Not being spotted is paramount in CV's as we all know what happens if you are? reason you don't, i'm curious and for Manuel aa 

 

Im guessing cause IJN CVs already have a somewhat decent concealment so you won't need concealment expert, since you can mount the concealment module as well. On the other hand, with manual aa you can rip up CV planes that try to snipe or spot you at close range, which is a plus. You can't really hide from planes anyway if the enemy CV is determined to spot you. I feel that concealment expert is more effective against enemy ships than planes.

[El2aZeR]

16 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Someone tested it, so I guess it does work: https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/111527-60-adrenaline-rush-and-carriers/

 

Oh, nevermind then. Was sure a Q&A actually stated AR does not work with CVs.

Wasted? Hm... Bombing yourself at the start of the game to get faster service times would be a funny thing to test imo. :D

[Redcap375]

13 hours ago, pra3y said:

 

Im guessing cause IJN CVs already have a somewhat decent concealment so you won't need concealment expert, since you can mount the concealment module as well. On the other hand, with manual aa you can rip up CV planes that try to snipe or spot you at close range, which is a plus. You can't really hide from planes anyway if the enemy CV is determined to spot you. I feel that concealment expert is more effective against enemy ships than planes.

 

I suppose your right.  But i just love concealment as when the time is right, i just love to push right behind the team.  Plus its funny seeing DD going round in circles trying to find you and you see them first with planes....Game over.

 

To be honest, who really CV snipes at tier 8 and above? I can count on one hand the amount of successful CVs strikes that resulted in me bring killed, and that was with a full strike Lex set up with no fighters.  Your Defensive aa might not shot down all the planes or stop fishes going into the water but my does it buy you time to get your fighters back to defend and spread the torps.  If they rush they spread there torps and you can dodge more than you think (enough to survive), if they wait then longer in aa and fighters come back.

 

Tier 7 and below then man AA is more appealing but i just don't have it on any of my CV's. I do have AFT as i find that more useful as in my books, the range of the aa is more important than the extra 20% as they spend more time in your bubble trying to get the right angle for the drop. Plus, it takes quite a few torps to down something like a Kaga in the first place.

 

Those that have tried to CV Snipe have 9/10 always failed.  I learnt my lesson ,again,when i was taken out in a Tahio (quite a few pages back). The shame become unbearable 

 

Only last night i CV sniped a Ry, not because i set out to do it but the opportunity presented it''s self.  His one group of fighters were so preoccupied that i just took the chance.  2 bomber and 2 torps groups later he sank.  He sent his fighters back to defend like you would do but intercepted them by the means of a good strafe.  He was so concentrated on getting his fighters back, i don't think he seen it coming.

 

Its all about the Torp bombers. If you cant see them, something is wrong and you need to know why.  This should be telling your spider senses that they are either.

 

1) Holding back due to aa / opportunity

2) Going round the sides either to CV snipe or get a better route to a ship

 

If their holding back then great and 9/10 you will see them due your front line ships (dd) spotting them coming in and out of view.

If you haven't seen them at all or just see some token bomber group (Like i do sometimes) then keep cool and position your fighters somewhere where you can react.  Yes you wont be providing a spotting service for your team but hey, its better than no service at all. They WILL thank you later.  Use bombers instead.

 

I have seen CV captains just give up when you strafe all their strike planes on a CV snipe. Never give up chaps 

 

 

[pra3y]

24 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

I have seen CV captains just give up when you strafe all their strike planes on a CV snipe. Never give up chaps 

 

Slightly off what you said but on the issue of not giving up, had my Kaga practically deplaned by a competent guy playing AS Ranger   Lost 60 planes but my team still won and I was in the top half. Tbh I think only potato CV players will do a cv snipe right off the bat. That's why they give up cause they feel that it is not possible to win against the enemy CV, which I find is poor form. I've played CV games where the other side just wreck my planes, but as a CV player its my obligation to play for my team as long as i have planes and then to hide somewhere where the enemy can't hit/find me when I've loss all of them.

 

You'll be surprised though some cv players still try to snipe when they see that there is too many AA ships around.

[Redcap375]

1 hour ago, pra3y said:

 

Slightly off what you said but on the issue of not giving up, had my Kaga practically deplaned by a competent guy playing AS Ranger   Lost 60 planes but my team still won and I was in the top half. Tbh I think only potato CV players will do a cv snipe right off the bat. That's why they give up cause they feel that it is not possible to win against the enemy CV, which I find is poor form. I've played CV games where the other side just wreck my planes, but as a CV player its my obligation to play for my team as long as i have planes and then to hide somewhere where the enemy can't hit/find me when I've loss all of them.

 

You'll be surprised though some cv players still try to snipe when they see that there is too many AA ships around.

 

Getting de-planed is completely acceptable if you have played your part in the battle, which it sounded like you did .  Like tanking like a boss in a Freddy taking everything that comes your way, giving time for your team.  What does my head in is seeing Bismarcks camping at the back with full health at the end of the battle, only to find they are the only ones left! They get killed within seconds shortly after.  Thanks for tanking for the cruisers m8!   T

 

I still to this date have never ran out of torp planes on my Kaga.

 

Some of the best games are the painful ones.  2 Days ago i did nothing in one game apart from spot every dd on the map at the cost a tone load of planes and raw damage out-put. Just spotted them up, loaded with bombs or not, just hovered them over for nearly the whole game.  Avoiding enemy planes too. BUT, it won us the game and i must admit, very quickly. DD's are SO important in every game and the loss, even one, can be the turning point.  More so at the start as the enemy team goes into camp mode with no DD's.  Hardly did any damage but job done and won.  Not all about raw damage.

 

The DD's didn't help themselves tho.  All they need to do was ask the Cleveland div to help who were BOTH together on the other side of the map.  2 aa spec ships and they sail together with a Kaga in the game .  I didn't even need to go anywhere near them, they both died to a single Sharn.

 

 

[GeorgeT1012_gt]

Really nice and informative guide, thanks for this post.

Carriers need much more attention in this game.

As they are difficult to play, a lot of people don't preffer them, but guides like this really help people improove.

I am also waiting for the carrier rework to come, I really want to see what they will look like after this.

I hope more people play carriers in the future.

[pra3y]

6 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

 

1)Getting de-planed is completely acceptable if you have played your part in the battle, which it sounded like you did .  Like tanking like a boss in a Freddy taking everything that comes your way, giving time for your team.  What does my head in is seeing Bismarcks camping at the back with full health at the end of the battle, only to find they are the only ones left! They get killed within seconds shortly after.  Thanks for tanking for the cruisers m8!   T

 

2)I still to this date have never ran out of torp planes on my Kaga.

 

3)Some of the best games are the painful ones.  2 Days ago i did nothing in one game apart from spot every dd on the map at the cost a tone load of planes and raw damage   out-put. Just spotted them up, loaded with bombs or not, just hovered them over for nearly the whole game.  Avoiding enemy planes too. BUT, it won us the game and i must   admit, very quickly. DD's are SO important in every game and the loss, even one, can be the turning point.  More so at the start as the enemy team goes into camp mode with   no DD's.  Hardly did any damage but job done and won.  Not all about raw damage.

 

 The DD's didn't help themselves tho.  All they need to do was ask the Cleveland div to help who were BOTH together on the other side of the map.  2 aa spec ships and they   sail together with a Kaga in the game .  I didn't even need to go anywhere near them, they both died to a single Sharn.

 

 

 

1) Aye I feel you. 

 

2) Couldn't help it. For some weird reason my strafes keep on  missing his planes even though they obviously pass by his planes while his take out 3/4 fighters a strafe. So I first end up losing all my fighters and then end up losing most of my TBs. I managed to spot him, sneak a TB to hit him while he hide behind a mountain and then a teammate in the Kamikaze R finished him. Gave said teammate a +1 but by then it was too late for me to do any excessive amount of damage with the pitiful amount of TBs I have left. I think I can now confirm what El2aZeR said a while back on whether there are more ppl playing AS built. Met a couple of Essexs and Taihos playing AS plus that Ranger. Geez.

 

3) That's why I always try to spot or kill DDs first if the game is too AA heavy, domination or there is only 1 enemy DD