help out a high tier noob...

[imendars]

Hi all.

In WoT I'm generally known as a wallet warrior and i came to this game... Ofc i couldnt resist my usual urges and i LOVE them shiny things ( * ships).

 

Now after all that is done i need your help.

 

1) Any good youtubers that make good comments. Lots of people making pro comments, but that often doesnt help even if i have 10 or 12 skill commanders.

2) Any usefull tips that youtubers accidentally forget telling? For example i have seen some aggressive bb players in youtube, but i die long before i get anywehere near they managed to get and sniping seems useless as i just cant hit a *** ...

3) Also everyone chooses concealment expert as first tier 4 skill, but he shots often does nothing... so... duno. Ofc its nice not being spotted entire game. But its bb... i should be aggressive and yet if i am aggressive i'm usually dead.

4) that rus tier 8 prem, i switched from concealment expert to he pen. got tired of not doing damage.

 

I will probly add more questions.

 

I know i am for a tough ride but whats done is done...

Thanks for assist.

[imendars]

5) what do i do when entire enemy team is waiting for my team to get spotted from sniping distance? Tii is not the best sniper in the universe... and most ships are not that good that far away anyways. I switched one of the suggested tii mods for dispersion decrease. Hope that will help hitting closer targets.

[jcol]

Park up your T8 premium ship and play a few hundred games at t5 to t7 before playing high tiers.

Play all classes of ships so you know their strengths and weaknesses

check out flamu, notser, ichase and mighty jingles on YouTube

ichases Captains academy will benefit you

[Ferry_25]

Hey captain. Good to see you getting your socks wet. I've tried it the other way around: giving WOT a shot. Highly unsucessful I must add. After 10 or 20 matches I got tired of being shot to smitherenes after having droven around for 30 seconds and not having the slightest clue of what was shooting me.

Anyway: I see you've jumped right into the high tier ships. That's a bad idea. Not to mock you but in my, very limited, experience the main similarities between WOT and Wow's are the words "world of." And that's where it ends already.

The shipclasses have very different playstyles and heck even within the same class there can be huge differences (US cruiserline f.e.).

My advice is to grind out the regular lines as well in order to build up experience. Look around on this forum for tips and tricks (I'd have to write an entire new testament to give you all the insights here and I am not able to do that).

1 major difference though: wows is being played 5 gear lower in speed. The retina detaching lightning action I saw in WOT isn't here. It's going with a way slooower pace. But for me that's the charm. And you play in fact in a "2D" envorinment. You don't have to worry you can't shoot down because your ship is facing uphill. (duh!).

[WashedandDeceased]

Notser? Jingles? Really? 

I would suggest finding some friends to division up with, preferably with some experience in the game 

[RAHJAILARI]

Yup, just what they said... Division up and do the grind first up to the tier you want to play. Buying a Tirpitz now and going straight on to tier 10 game with it (yes, that's where you end up much of the time) with 5-12 Unicum level players in the other team will not only be a burden on your own team but will get you insta-minced and having a 100 30second matches without anything to show for it can be quite discouraging.

 

Division play with some friends, who have played Wows before is the absolute best teacher. Also read the available guides and choose your ship preferred line carefully. Most new players always immediately head for the Battleship and end up sucking in them so try out the different ship lines at tier 3 or 4 first, see what your are good at and which fits your play style and temperament best and only then proceed to higher tiers.

 

Personally, I did all the classic Noob mistakes and went straight up to tier 7 BB before realizing the error of my ways (as I skipped past tiers quite fast and learned nothing) and my BB scores still suck. BUT for my saving grace I did try out different ship lines too, until at tier 7 I realized that I sucked a lot. So I looked at my scores and ships and picked the one I had most fun in - Minekaze (a Destroyer) and decided to concentrate on DD only for the time being and get a little better. It has been a grind but it has paid off, as I am finally beginning to see some improvement, So next up on my agenda - Cruiser practice. I will leave BB's to the last and CV's even further back.

[ShinGetsu]

Yeah, stop doing crap in tier 8 games, nobody will benefits from it and certainly not you.

 

Start by learning the real basics in tier 5/6. There are some amazing ships to learn with. I suggest

- Cleveland for learning to hit with catapult-like-guns, Cleveland with the APHE (HE penetration) skill being utterly OP it's a good ship to learn with.

- IJN BBs. In particular both Fuso and Kongou. Kongou teach how to play a Fast Battleship. It's a very good ship to learn how to be agressive. Fuso on the other hand is the first "real" BB for the IJN line. Slow, but pack an impressive punch.

Actually grinding the whole IJN BB line is one of the best way to learn. They have poor AA, and they take big damage if you don't angle properly, but on the other hand they are fast and the guns hits hard while being very accurate. Don't try the utterly stupid german BB tree. They won't teach you a thing.

- IJN Cruisers, at least until Myoukou. They are fragile with a big citadel, but tank when angled, and can kite pretty easily. And their 203mm are no joke.

- Any DD line excepted the germans are good for a beginner and very different from each other. Maybe go for Mahan for the USN and the Akatsuki for the IJN first.

- CV are absolutely horrible to play at low tier due to removing the manual attack (done with ALT) at tier 4 and 5. However, I think you should try to get both Ryujou and Independence (freepex to them if tier 5 is too horrible for you) to learn how the CV gameplay is. Independence 1/1/1 is really great, and Ryujou teach you that straf and manual TB drop are the bread and the butter of the IJN CVs.

- Finally, Russian cruisers until at least Budyonny seems a rather good idea to me. Kirov is horribly fragile but the 180mm are very great. It's quite hilarious to play if you learn to keep your distance. They are a whole line of sniper that will teach you to kite and bait. And their guns are great. You need IFHE though.

 

 

If you REALLY want to play your shiny tier 8, starts by learning Kutuzov. It's very easy to play with its smoke and IFHE. You keep your distance, and uses your smoke at around 15km of the enemy fleet, keeping an eye for radar and torps, while making sure you have some spot and at least 3 enemy to farm. You can go as high as 80-100k average damage on it. (My stats with it are slowly going up since I bought it when I didn't have enough experience)

 

Get that captain build on it ASAP :

http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000000000100000000001100010000119

And your first 10 points should be those :

http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000000000100000000001000010000019

 

With premium smoke consumable of course.

Also, that build works very well for every russian cruiser from tier 5 to 9 included, so you can just uses the same captain, you retrain them every time on Kutuzov when you get a tier higher.

 

 

And absolutely use premium consumable. Premium Damage Control Party on EVERY ship. Premium smoke on every DD and cruisers, premium heal on every ship that have it, premium radar. DefAA and sonar doesn't really need the premium consumable, nor the fighters and spotter planes.

 

Last point : DON'T. SHOW. YOUR. BROADSIDE.

 

EDIT : Ouch. Just saw your stats. Okay, stop the carnage now.

You even bought HSF Harekaze. While she's one of my favourite DD, it REALLY isn't for an inexperienced player. First because you need to know very well the HE and AP mechanics to understand how to play her. Second because you need a 14 points captain to really make her shine and understand what skills are truly important, third because she requires very good map awareness. She's a DD made for contesting caps with the second hull, the 100mm. However those requires to be played with AP, and you need the IFHE skill to penetrate angled tier8+ DD with HE. It's REALLY not a DD for a beginner. No freaking way. Seriously. It's an amazing carry, but not for you. ><

[tank276]

51 minutes ago, imendars said:

Hi all.

In WoT I'm generally known as a wallet warrior and i came to this game... Ofc i couldnt resist my usual urges and i LOVE them shiny things ( * ships).

 

Now after all that is done i need your help.

 

1) Any good youtubers that make good comments. Lots of people making pro comments, but that often doesnt help even if i have 10 or 12 skill commanders.

2) Any usefull tips that youtubers accidentally forget telling? For example i have seen some aggressive bb players in youtube, but i die long before i get anywehere near they managed to get and sniping seems useless as i just cant hit a *** ...

3) Also everyone chooses concealment expert as first tier 4 skill, but he shots often does nothing... so... duno. Ofc its nice not being spotted entire game. But its bb... i should be aggressive and yet if i am aggressive i'm usually dead.

4) that rus tier 8 prem, i switched from concealment expert to he pen. got tired of not doing damage.

 

I will probly add more questions.

 

I know i am for a tough ride but whats done is done...

Thanks for assist.

Hello friend.

Dont worry , several of us come from WOT too, personally I have 43 k battles in it but dont play that often anymore.

1. There are some not so known youtubers whos' content you may find interesting. "BIA World of Warships " is a solid channel and so is Qckslvrslash Gaming IMO.

2.There is a time during battle that you should be defensive (early yolo rushes vs 4 enemies will just get u killed) and a time that you should be aggresive (mop up enemies at end game -even if u die- cause you team has numerical advantage but no caps). Those things come naturally with battles played, so dont worry about it for now.

3. Concealment is one of the strongest skills in game, however, for ships like G. Kurfurst or Yamato i.e. ,you can choose some other 4 point skill since you must be tanking shells for your team (manual secondaries or fire prevention are good choices for those ships). I use concealment on both still to have ability to hold fire and go in the shadows when needed.

4. IFHE in the Kutuzov is strong, cannot understand why it doesnt work for you.

Cheers and welcome

[ShinGetsu]

There's also that guy :

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAO6C9T2NNWp88vp_KsXVsQ

 

He's more onto "funny videos" but his "How to" are both hilarious and gives some great advices, and he shows some interesting mechanics through his funtage, like overmatch mechanics and things like that.

 

This one for example, on Furutaka :

The video is outdated, as Furutaka got buffed and now have double-mount instead of single guns mounts, but all his advices still hold true !

(Ah, the captain skill are utterly outdated too now. You need Priority Target, Expert Marksman, Demolition Expert and Concealment Expert)

 

 

 

 

[imendars]

3 minutes ago, tank276 said:

Hello friend.

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4. IFHE in the Kutuzov is strong, cannot understand why it doesnt work for you.

Cheers and welcome

 

 

28 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

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Hi and thank you to everyone for great advice's and keep them coming :)

 

tank276 - i got Kutuzov yesterday and only cause i found that i have one free russian commander with 10 skills. NO IDEA how on earth did i get him but that convinced me to get Kutuzov since i had read that its great.

I played that ship for few battles, before watching youtuber giving me advice to get concealment expert first and i couldnt pen with my he + i got angry and reseted commander to IFHE. tried one or 2 battles and seemed to work. sort of.  I really need more experiance and youtube examples before i can properly make Kutuzov work.

 

ShinGetsu - yea, i started to like Kutuzov fast. It have Kii range and very precise guns with fast reload. And love the gun effects, just feels powerful.

So far generally i choose free consumables on my prem ships, except for Kutuzov (consumable reload is just horrible for free and that smoke count...). Most ships have managable reloads and together with  captain perk (forgot name), smoke count seems ok (except reload...).

If i go for prem smoke, perhaps my Harekaze doesnt need +1 to all consumables skill and can go for torps as 3rd lvl skill.

 

Also yesterday before going to sleep started figuring out that my Kii bb is SO good at earning that my other ships can actually use more premium consumables (specially Kutuzov...)

[imendars]

Also i chose -50% speed startup for Kutuzov as a mod since it feels like my Kii bb gets to its max speed faster than Kutuzov. That turning speed... i can live with it not modded.

[Juanx]

Nice to see, the OP is the poster boy for DG, 55 games and a bunch of premiums, of course abysmal stats.

 

At least this one seems interested in not being a dead weight for the team...

[ShinGetsu]

Well if you really want to stick with Harekaze, you need this captain build :

http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000000000000001010000000000000119

That's for start. Then IFHE at 14 points to penetrate DDs. Until then, stick with AP.

 

But I really can't advice you to keep playing her for now. She's really, really difficult to handle.

 

100mm are the only way to go with her. Stock hull is crap and US guns are useless with only 3 of them.

 

You just won't learn by playing tier 8 anyway.

[kfa]

Flamu, Yuro, Aerroon

 

Please dont watch notser or jingles, we have enough secondary build HE spamming Montana.

[imendars]

4 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Well if you really want to stick with Harekaze, you need this captain build :

[..]

 

Well, i kinda like that ship, but it is hard. I chose a 12 skill captain purchase, so i'm bit closer to 14 skill build. I did exactly the same, like 100mm guns better, except 3rd skill is superintendant. but if i go with prem smoke, maybe i can live without it, duno.

But those 350hp seems small. if bb manages to slap me across a face, 350hp wont change anything, no?

Perhaps torpedo armament expert or demolition expert?

 

EDIT:

notieced its 350 * ships tier, so 2800 hp might just be one hit from bb or cc, since not all bullets should hit dd. hmm.

[imendars]

16 minutes ago, Juanx said:

Nice to see, the OP is the poster boy for DG, 55 games and a bunch of premiums, of course abysmal stats.

 

At least this one seems interested in not being a dead weight for the team...

 

Well, i'm somewhat aggressive person and if i end up owned nonstop i get real angry real fast...

So i got no choice but to learn now

 

[Juanx]

5 minutes ago, imendars said:

 

Well, i'm somewhat aggressive person and if i end up owned nonstop i get real angry real fast...

So i got no choice but to learn now

 

 

So in your mind, you were 100% positive that jumping into the game, and dumping 200-300€ on the store were going to make you not get owned?

[Boris_MNE]

1 hour ago, imendars said:

Hi all.

In WoT I'm generally known as a wallet warrior and i came to this game... Ofc i couldnt resist my usual urges and i LOVE them shiny things ( * ships).

 

Now after all that is done i need your help.

 

1) Any good youtubers that make good comments. Lots of people making pro comments, but that often doesnt help even if i have 10 or 12 skill commanders.

2) Any usefull tips that youtubers accidentally forget telling? For example i have seen some aggressive bb players in youtube, but i die long before i get anywehere near they managed to get and sniping seems useless as i just cant hit a *** ...

3) Also everyone chooses concealment expert as first tier 4 skill, but he shots often does nothing... so... duno. Ofc its nice not being spotted entire game. But its bb... i should be aggressive and yet if i am aggressive i'm usually dead.

4) that rus tier 8 prem, i switched from concealment expert to he pen. got tired of not doing damage.

 

I will probly add more questions.

 

I know i am for a tough ride but whats done is done...

Thanks for assist.

 

 

 

Join me on TS and you will have hours and hours of lessions for free. Untill your ears start hurting you xD

[rvfharrier]

13 minutes ago, imendars said:

 

Well, i'm somewhat aggressive person and if i end up owned nonstop i get real angry real fast...

So i got no choice but to learn now

 

 

With what you're doing, you're going to end up owned nonstop.

 

The best advice given so far in this thread is from the several people who have told you to shelve your high tier premiums and start from the bottom with a line from each class and slowly make your way up. You haven't wasted your money, your premiums will still be there waiting for you, but you'll actually be able to use them effectively which will be more fun for both you and the teams you're put on.

 

This isn't a game that can be learned quickly and learning through frustration is a poor way to do it at any rate. You stand to benefit much more from learning at tiers 1-5 than you do at tier 8 where mistakes can be less evident yet punished much harder. I can understand the allure of some of the high tier premiums you've bought, but by rushing head first into them you've deprived yourself of the learning and experience to actually play them to even a basic level of competency.

 

It's admirable that you've come to the forums genuinely asking for advice and help, but please take it on board even if it wasn't quite what you wanted to hear. Good luck!

[imendars]

1 minute ago, Juanx said:

 

So in your mind, you were 100% positive that jumping into the game, and dumping 200-300€ on the store were going to make you not get owned?

 

No, i just cant resist the urge to get nice shiny ships, specially if they come with 10 or 12 skill captains. Also like anime ships

Also i'm enjoying the game, just need to learn a lot.

And if nothing works there is a co-op.

[ShinGetsu]

18 minutes ago, imendars said:

 

Well, i kinda like that ship, but it is hard. I chose a 12 skill captain purchase, so i'm bit closer to 14 skill build. I did exactly the same, like 100mm guns better, except 3rd skill is superintendant. but if i go with prem smoke, maybe i can live without it, duno.

But those 350hp seems small. if bb manages to slap me across a face, 350hp wont change anything, no?

Perhaps torpedo armament expert or demolition expert?

 

EDIT:

notieced its 350 * ships tier, so 2800 hp might just be one hit from bb or cc, since not all bullets should hit dd. hmm.

Stock Harekaze is 13300 HP, for a tier 8 it's abysmally bad. You need Survivability Expert.

 

And you have to think in term of percentage. 2800 out of 13300 HP is around 20% upgrade. There isn't that many skills that gives such an upgrade. It's a skill tailored for DDs.

 

It doesn't help against battleships, but it's very important in DD knifefights. And 100mm Harekaze is one of the best knifefighter at its tier. (With AP)

[imendars]

4 minutes ago, rvfharrier said:

 

It's admirable that you've come to the forums genuinely asking for advice and help, now please take it on board even if it wasn't what quite you wanted to hear. Good luck!

 

Well... i will play some of those ships in co-op a lot. And Kii with special skin is a great credit printer even in co-op.

And i did notiece that sometimes in low tier its actually easier to get some good results. Or that my damage in tier 8 is not greater than in tier 6, except perhaps Kutuzov, even in few games i seemed to have better results. Or i felt like doing more.

So perhaps pvp is tier 6 and rest is co-op.

Just thinking laud here.

 

will REREAD this entire thread when i get home, i'm at work at the moment.

[imendars]

6 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Stock Harekaze is 13300 HP, for a tier 8 it's abysmally bad. You need Survivability Expert.

 

And you have to think in term of percentage. 2800 out of 13300 HP is around 20% upgrade. There isn't that many skills that gives such an upgrade. It's a skill tailored for DDs.

 

It doesn't help against battleships, but it's very important in DD knifefights. And 100mm Harekaze is one of the best knifefighter at its tier. (With AP)

 

Another question.

I once got shouted that as a dd i should give my smoke to bb, is that true?

Should i stick with bb and give him smoke?

I havnt seen lots of dd vids but i dont remember that every dd is a personal maid for bb that wants to snipe and what not.

Just wana know what yout think on this since you love Harekaze too and you actually know how to play.

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Ok, that's a new one...a wallet warrior who seems to be interested in learning how to play.

 

The others pretty much said it all, but i'd like to add that while playing low tiers and grinding your way up is the only way to go, you can still play your prettys now and then once you reach at least tier VI.

However, do it in divisions with two good players, this way you can get some pratice and are much less of a burden for your team.

 

 

[aboomination]

1 minute ago, Jethro_Grey said:

do it in divisions with two good players

Are you volunteering?